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Been thinking a lot about this scenario. What if we signed both Cousins and Landry as FAs. And then we took:

1: S. Barkley
4: M. Fitzpatrick
33: M. Rudolph

I would be pretty happy with that. We would instantly become competitors.

What would be your ideal scenario at FA and then our first three draft picks (1, 4 and 33)?

Cousins and darn near anything is the ideal.

I'll go with yours

Has my vote!

A couple of weeks ago, Vers posted about his thoughts that (I'm paraphrasing) signing Cousins, while it is the quickest path to respectability, closes us off from the possibility that some of this QB draft class could turn out to be all time greats. I agree.

I agree that signing Cousins and drafting Barkley and Fitzpatrick in the first instantly makes the Browns competitive. But I can't help the suspicion that it could hurt us in the long run. If signing Cousins makes us a Bengals analog, competitive but not championship quality, while Rosen or Darnold or ??? routinely guide their teams to the SB, then we have once again 'Browns'ed the situation.

1. Sign Cousins no matter what.
2. Sign Joyner FS
3. Sign Landry WR
4. Sign DeMarcus Lawrence DE
5. Sign Le'Veon Bell(He already knows the system.)
6. Sign Malcolm Butler or Bashaud Breeland or Aaron Colvin CBs

We have the cap to sign ALL of them. However if we can't sign Cousins there is no point since NONE of them will sign with us if we don't.

Assuming we sign Cousins I trade back from #1 to #3 and pick up a second round pick. At #3 who I pick depends on if we signed Bell and if Saquan is there. If we have bell then I want VITA VEA DT because this kid next to Danny Shelton and Lawrence on opposite side of Garrett is a defensive line that you just can't stop. We would easily gain the #1 defense in the league with that line. I would also be fine with trading back again and taking him at #4.

At #4 I trade back to somewhere in the top 10 and take Orlando Brown to give Bell a monster to block for him. Hopefully we pick up a future first from moving back from 3 and from moving back from 4. In 2019 we now have 3 first round picks. That's too many right?

Ok so I take our future 1st and the second round we picked up and I trade to somewhere above the Steelers and draft Mason and let him sit behind cousins for 4-5 years until his footwork is perfect or until he can beat out Cousins flat out for the starting job. It works into a perfect transition as Cousins will be at the end of his career by the time we need to resign Mason and can either resign him cheaper or just franchise him and see how he does.

In the meantime with those FAs and draft picks We take Joe to the Superbowl where he belongs and win it =)

Sign Kyle Fuller/Trumaine Johnson/Malcolm Butler and no one else. It is not a strong year for free agents.

Draft Rosen and Fitzpatrick in the first. Trade up for Guice.

I agree with the "Sign Kyle Fuller/Trumaine Johnson/Malcolm Butler" part. I would like to see a FA WR (Landry/Robinson/Richardson?) and a bridge QB (Keenum/McCarron/McGowen) signed as well.

For the first 3 draft picks; #1 Darnold (Rosen), #4 Fitzpatrick (Barkley would have to be a consideration if he's still there). At #33, BPA. There are bound to be some good players available to start day 2.

I'm really torn on WR as it is a weaknesses due to untapped potential and JG's inconsistency. I agree that talent needs to be added, but I'm not sure slot talent is what we need. So I'm not sure we need him. The FA class all around is very weak this year. A lot of average and unproven guys.

In Free Agency

Resign Isaiah Crowell

Sign AJ McCarron QB to start year 1 and mentor our #1 drafted QB.
Sign Jeremy Hill RB. Team with Crowell to be a two headed monster at RB. Duke is a 3rd down back that can split out wide in many sets.
Sign Terrelle Pryor WR to team with Gordon and Coleman.
Sign Trumaine Johnson CB to start at one corner. His best season in the NFL was with Browns Def Coordinator Gregg Williams. Can man one side with McCourty on the other side.

Draft
#1 - Sam Darnold QB - I think he has the most upside to be a career franchise QB the Browns so desperately need.
#4 - Minkah Fitizpatrick FS - Saban loved Fitzpatrick because he was always in the film room. He trusted him to make secondary calls. Good enough athlete to play some corner if needed. He will move Peppers back to his customary SS.
#31 - Mike Hughes CB Central Florida - Fast CB can play the nickle until ready to play outside. Has ability to be a shutdown corner.

I'd be happy with Minkah at 4.

Rosen , Minkah,

QB at #1, trade down at #4, best player available at #32.

What about Crowell is SO great to you that you want to shower him with money? Is it that he's never gained more than 1000 yards rushing? Or that he's never scored double digit TDs?

QB at #1 trade up to #2 and take Barkely. Now we have the best QB and best running back in the draft.

In fairness, yards gained is dependent on carries, which he had no control over.

I am not saying to shower the guy with money, but he carried the ball 206 times last season when it should have been in the 250-260 range.

I'd make a effort to sign Crow, but I probably wouldn't be the high bidder.

If Crowell isn’t resigned it wouldn’t surprise me to see Dorsey make a run at Hyde, I’ve read that he wasn’t a perfect fit for Shanahan. I’m not sure why.

Sign Kyle Fuller and Chase Daniel.

Draft Mayfield, Fitzpatrick, and Guice.

Manage to draft DJ Moore as well...


Do this and we'd be set for the next 10+ years contending for division titles and the playoffs. Maybe even a Super Bowl. Oh snap!

Thanks Sashi. Thanks Dorsey.

Sign mid-level vet, sign CB, sign vet WR, (best available to us).

Draft:

#1 Rosen or Darnold depending on FO (I don't want Mayfield at all, I'd be reluctant to take any of the others at #1 at this point, and I do want a QB at #1, that leaves Rosen & Darnold as my choices.)
#4 Minkah
#33* Best CB/WR available, possibly OT. (If one of the top three OTs happens to fall)
#35 Best CB/WR available, possibly RB (the remaining of whichever one wasn't taken at 33. It would have to be a guy like Guise at RB, or I'd wait to the 3rd round.)

*If a top ILB or DE falls I'd consider that as well, but generally BPA within those position groups.

No trade downs unless it's rounds 3-7.

I included pick #35 because there's impact there as well.

trade the 1st pick and the 4th pick for more seconds and thirds follow the blue print of the patriots and the steelers find the talent with the chip on their shoulders and undrafted free agents thats how you build the winners if a character becomes a problem let them leave and get more draft picks or trade them and at home games cheer so load the other team cant hear themselves think

sashi had it right with volume over precieved star power but dorsey has the talent evaluation i wish i could have seen those two in the front office together gather picks while picking talent it might not have worked but i would have liked to see it try that dude worked that board just couldnt pick the players that were special picked good players just not the dede westbrooks and tj watts and the kareem hunts and the steals of the draft like i think dorsey and wolf and highsmith and jackson and haley will do

ideal scenario trade back pick up vets that people sleep on with a chip on their shoulder leveon bell marchevios bryant malcom butler tyrod taylor people that have that dog in them that want to win marcus peters these would be my targets as i trade down from 1 to 6 and from 4 to 21 and 22 and get the maximum number of second and third round pick keeping the picks i already have and going through and grabbing those players that slid from the first to the second round because of the experts and the picks at 21 and 22 will be good players t

Why would't the Jets just give that haul (or less) to Denver?

I wont be disappointed if we move on from Crowell. There are some great RBs in the draft who will slot into place just fine. However, if we don't offer Duke a solid contract after this season (I think he will be a FA?) I will be seriously bummed.

Wow!

Take the rest of the day off.

Not entirely sure what this is referencing, but I don't mind if I do.

Duke is a high priority resign in my eyes.

Bobby Mitchell. He also played for the Browns.

If not him, Charley Taylor was also a great WR who played HB in college.

This isn't all of FA, but... Cousins, Jarvis Landry, one of the top CBs
1) trade down with Denver (for #5, #40, 2019 1st rounder)
4) Fitzpatrick
5) Barkley
33) Carlton Davis, CB

and for good measure
35) James Washington, WR
40) Chukwuma Okorafor, OT

When I watch James Washington, I can't stop thinking about Duke's skillset. I think we're finally seeing the H-Back/Percy Harvin position come to fruition. Unfortunately the position has never had much success outside of Urban Meyer. It's hard to tell if such players should try to play both positions or just one in the NFL. The talent is there though, Jalen Ramsey started covering Duke during the Jacksonville game. Not sure how much more respect a team can give a RB.

The good thing is we can get a good back in the 2nd round....even 3rd round.

It'd be hard not taking that Guice if he's available come the 2nd round. I like him. Just watching some of his plays, he looks to be tough, can run inside and outside.

Of course, the question is whether he can block/catch or not. Blocking being the most important thing. Any rookie RB that sees the field a lot, has to be able to block.


I was listening to Gus Malzan (Auburn) talk about Kerryon Johnson, and that's what he said about Johnson. He said that folks don't recognize what a good and willing blocker he is. But unfortunately, I wish he looked just a bit more explosive.

This article was posted by Grimm in the 'Ranking and Evaluating the Running Backs' thread. It's a good read and speaks very well of Kerryon Johnson. It has me thinking very seriously about Johnson at the top of the 2nd.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2018/02...rbs/a6fjmrs/#//

#1 Darnold/Rosen
#4 Fitzpatrick
#33 That player in every draft that should have gone in the middle of the first but is still there at the top of the 2nd (no matter what position)
#35 Johnson

If we can pick him up at 33/35, it's a better combination of QB/RB/DB than QB/Barkley/any of the DBs still there in the 2nd.

He's not that kind of runner. He is a find the hole and and get 5-6 yards type of guy. More of a power runner than a slash runner. He faced a lot of stacked boxes because Auburn is going to run the ball. He still averaged over 4 yards per carry in those situations.

That isn't to say he isn't going to break some runs, he will. He's just going to outrun the field.

I think he can be the type of back that is near the top in yardage and carries, make a few pro-bowls, good on the goal line....nothing wrong with that in my book. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

You should check out some of the film breakdowns on the thread I started called Ranking and Evaluating the Running Backs.

I originally had Guice at #2, but after watching his game tapes and those of some others, I have moved him down my list.

I like Kerryon Johnson and Rashaad Penny quite a bit better than Guice.

I still have more RBs to evaluate, but I can say that Guice isn't all that.

Guice reminds me of a young Frank Gore. The dude is a monster when his line plays adequately.