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Sorry, I have been fighting a nasty sinus infection, that has my head plugged up. I didn't put 2 and 2 together on McCown.

Kirk Cousins - QB - Redskins

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport seconded an ESPN New York report that the Jets are "willing to pay a lot of money to Kirk Cousins, maybe more than anyone else."

Rapsheet also noted the Jets hired Jeremy Bates as offensive coordinator; Bates' system is similar to what Cousins ran in Washington. When discussing the Jets' competition for Cousins, Rapsheet first mentioned the Broncos, whom he expects to "go all in on a free agent quarterback." Rapsheet said the Cardinals are "in the mix as well," and to "keep an eye" on the Vikings.

Related: Cardinals, Broncos, Vikings, Jets

Source: Ian Rapoport on TwitterFeb 19 - 4:22 PM

Sorry guys. ESPN puts this little thing in the top left corner that says Overreaction Monday.

I can't read 6 inches in front of my face, let alone 10 FEET away! Lol

Yeah, just read a report that the Jets are willing to gives something like $60M for the first year of the contract, and possibly $150 or more for the duration of it. Now, I like Cousins, but I also like fielding a team in every other position too.

QB is an important spot, but did everyone just forget that three of the QBs in the Championship games were Nick Foles, Blake Bortles and Case Keenum? If the rest of your roster is good, your QBs will look a lot better as well.

Absolutely, but QB's the easiest way to have sustained success.

That's why Brady and Manning's teams were/are competitive every single year. Putting together a Broncos, a Jags, a Vikings, and an Eagles isn't always that easy. And the Eagles had a great QB for most of the season, whom changed the whole attitude of that team.


A good QB is key for sustainability.

I am starting to think our veteran QB we bring in this year might be one of these 3, McCarron, Tyrod Taylor or Chase Daniels. Just a feeling I'm getting.

j/c:

I am starting to sour on signing Cousins. I like him as a qb, but man, he is going to get paid well beyond his worth.

I would pass on giving him such huge money.

I agree, go with the bridge QB, and draft Rosen or Darnold. I would take McCarron, I think he is competent enough to hold the fort down. Who knows maybe guys like Daniels or Keenum could string together a couple good years as the team develops, mainly the young guy they bring in.

The way QBs go down nowadays, the rookie will not sit too long. Seems like the nature of the beast in the league today. Plus, these guys have been sitting, maybe they are ready to step up. Anything is possible.

McCarron is not a bridge quarterback, unless we’re talking about him standing on the bridge outside the stadium selling novelty tee shirts. A bridge qb is someone who we know what we’ll get, like Bradford. McCarron is an unknown. We bring him in, we’re hoping he’s better than Kizer and doesn’t suck to the point we have to switch quickly.

He knows Hue’s system, but that is not the same thing as running it successfully in the NFL. Plus, Haley is now OC, so knowing Hue’s system isn’t as valuable. If we turn to him, we’re hoping he’s a bridge qb, but we can’t call him one now.

I think they are all paid more than they're worth. Look at it this way, if we would sign Cousins, in 3 years his salary would probably be average for a starting QB. But I doubt we are signing Cousins. More like Daniels or possibly Bradford, if he doesn't get any offers.

Just like our record would probably be average for an NFL team.

Signing Cousins is not good for the future. It is an attempt to fix the now. That's not what we need.

I'm okay with the Bradford/Mayfield Sooner combo. I'm not a huge fan of Bradford, but I know we are in need of someone who has proven to win and can win games now. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think McCown is the best for this but I highly doubt this will come to fruition. We are low on options.

I agree with this, except for the Mayfield part.

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Hey Vers, what's up bud? lol had to take a small break after this

season. Sup everyone?

OK I'll bite.

Out of the three QB's that have on our roster at this moment I

I would start the following.

1). Hogan. why? because to me he out played the other QB's on our roster. He brought us from behind in the last two preseason games to win. And when he stepped in when Kizer got benched an for his migraine he did very well.

I thought he threw with good anticipation, knew the playbook and made good decision for the part.

Could drop a deep ball instead of line driving it. didn't see Kizer do that.

thought he read the defenses better than the other two.

And when he got his first start he failed a tad lol...but in all fairness he only got one start and kizer and kessler had how many? and not won one game? I thought he earned a second start at least.

2). Kessler. cuz he's more accurate than Kizer

3). Kizer cuz he what's left.

but that's just my opinion bro.

Now if we're playing post draft that's a different story

J/C



Joe Thomas, via Twitter, on Kizer.

I was watching a free agent clip today and the guys from Around The League pointed out how hard Denver players are lobbying for cousins. One made the joke that Paxton Lynch must feel great about it.

Got me thinking about Joe Thomas and Kizer. Behold, Thomas had kind words and flattery four hours prior. It's good to see.

hmm...sorry I'm past Kizer. Kizer was more painful than watching...Kizer

Me 2. Don't want him.

We don't need a quick fix. What we need is a FUTURE. Way beyond 5 years.

Some don't agree with this, but I want to start the future NOW. And that future is Darnold or Rosen.

We have not had a QB with anything near the talent level of these 2 since Kosar. And that includes Couch.

Get them in here and get them ready.

Exciting times.

Talking to people about our QBS and the future situations, it's like Kizer isn't on the team anymore. I feel like most people wrote him off already. I get it too. The kid should have never, ever been started. Given what we did to him and how we went about doing it to him (Hue), this kid probably doesn't have much confidence in himself.

If you draft a QB there is no guarantee he sticks around just like there is no promise he will even succeed. 5 years is all you can count on and maybe two years of being overpaid with a franchise tag. You might save 5 to 10 mil a year on the salary cap but chances are you will waste a year or two waiting for them to adapt to the nfl game speed.

Cousins is battle proven and we have the cap space to front load his contract and make the cap space be manageable after this first year. There just isn't any reason not to put in a real effort to sign him. I mean a real QB and we would have probably had an 8-8 season last year. Add to that what we can draft this year and that is a huge upgrade to our team. Not to mention is won't be so painful to watch football again.

Trevor, another Bridge QB option that, I mean I wouldn't assume anyway, the Broncos would want an arm and leg to acquire a trade agreement:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/21/report-broncos-expected-to-shop-trevor-siemian/

Hogan - Now there's a surprise. You have had a h-on for him since the Browns acquired him. News flash - he won't be on the team next year.

Did Dorsey Draft Hogan ?

yes

I know we talked about the Luck possibilities, but seems like he's started to mildly/under mildly throw again. His words make it seems like he is on the right track for recovery and no needed additional surgery.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...tion-right-now/

Asked about second surgery:

“That ship has sailed in my mind as far as I’m concerned, which is a relief. I’m not going to lie.”

I think Haley will likely keep him (pure speculation on my part) based on his commentary on his skill set and what he's said about it taking time to acclimate to the league, and how difficult it is to become a starting calibre QB. I believe he would like to give him a legitimate shot at developing, growing, and earning a place on the roster. IMO, it would be a mistake to toss a guy with Kizer's measurables.

If you read my whole post I mentioned we now have Haley and that knowing Hue’s system doesn’t as mean much now.

So, no coma. How about you?

It is what it is. I'm just happy to see a guy in our organization taking the time to say something positive. While Kizer didn't impress many with his play, I'd like to think everyone appreciates his professionalism, toughness and maturity. He was an MVP in that capacity.

So I like seeing Thomas take the time, especially when other players on other teams haven't shown as much consideration for the young players on their own roster while touting a veteran. I think it speaks to both the Browns growing culture, and the class of Joe Thomas.

lol don't get wrong, didn't say he was a bad person.

just to me he is not a starting QB.

did he or did he not out play the QB's? except the one start?

and how many starts did the others have?...just saying Hogan in my eyes earned the right to have a second start.

but that's just me

I wouldn't be surprised if our QB room in september is Vet, #1 pick, Hogan....

Doubtful unless someone offers a pretty good trade for Kizer. I would expect the QB room to be: Vet, #1 pick, and Kizer.

It might also be; Vet, Kizer, and #1 pick. If the idea is to sit the rookie til he's ready, and we have to replace the Vet due to injury, Kizer may be the 2nd man up.

(Or Vet, Hogan, and #1 pick as in Device's scenario.)

Chase Daniel, Baker Mayfield, Kevin Hogan? Whoa.

I am trying to eat dinner. You just ruined my appetite.

That would make me sick, I could see 0-16 again.

I can't see 0-16 again if Betty White was our QB.