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How is there not a Black Panther discussion yet? It's every other post on my Facebook feed. LOL

Seriously, all this ridiculous noise and nonsense coming from the media aside (social impact, race this, race that, best thing EVER!), I thought this was a very FUN, entertaining, solid film.

NO spoilers here. It's part comic-book film, part Sci-Fi, part Fantasy, and even has a good chunk of James Bond. All this with a Shakespeare-light drama going on.

I thought the villain was fantastic. He's practically an anti-hero. VERY sympathetic.

There are strong woman characters but it doesn't feel forced, as in to appease the insane modern PC climate in entertainment.

It doesn't knock you over the head with it's tie-ins to all the other Disney/Marvel studios films. You don't really need to have seen any others to get into or follow this one. I am not getting Marvel Studios fatigue but I am aware that a LOT of people are.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Anybody else see it?

I have read reviews that call it the best Marvel, no, the best superhero movie ever. I am going to go see it, when I feel up to it. It looks fantastic.

I went to see it yesterday with my girls.

I didn’t make a thread about it...for obvious reasons.

You’re too mature to discuss comic books?

I did see where it is breaking all kinds of records for attendance.

not that. but the discussions thats bound to happen beyond just comic book talk with this movie...

Sorta replying directly to you... but mostly because you have the latest post.



IMO, the only discussion that should potentially happen along the lines of what you're implying is the over-the-top reactions that are pouring out in social media and some reviews. The reactions are what feel forced, to me.
Why can't the movie just be the best Marvel movie put out, as well as, arguably, the best superhero movie ever without looking through the lens of race at all? That's the part I don't get. For me, race doesn't have anything to do (either way) with the movie being so good. It just is.

I loved the Black Panther character in the comic books, and I was super pumped when he first showed up in the Civil War. My expectations were sky-high for his standalone movie, and I was not disappointed.

Before the movie drop, there were *some* who were upset about the cast being 90% black, plus the name black panther ticked some off too.

Regardless, I agree with you.

The movie itself was fantastic. Marvel showed once again why DC won’t ever come close to them in the movie industry.

I was excited when civil war dropped with how they are showing Wakanda and how it ties into everything, from Captains shield to Bucky being looked over there. I loved how they essentially modernized traditional African culture as far as black panther and his allies appearance. It’s easily the most original origin story in a long time, if not, ever.

I've been told by a coworker who actually read the books (I only ever read X-Men) that the character was created by Marvel a few months before the Black Panther movement took on the same name.

I wouldn't rank it the best Marvel studios film, but it is up there.

My fave is still Cap 2: Winter Soldier with the first (ONLY, in my book) Iron-Man a close 2nd. Guardians of the Galaxy 1 would have to be my 3rd with Black Panther 4th. I could keep going but I've showed too much of my geek colors already . . .

I never watch any of the Marvel movies and despise movies made from comic books. Thus, I won't watch this one.

The only reason I am replying is because of the lead character. I forget his name, but I watched an interview w/him and what a delightful, well-spoken, intelligent dude. I really liked him in 42 and the T. Marshall movies. Seriously, this dude is total class. I hope he makes a fortune off of this role and others because he really seems like a great guy.

I can’t wait to see this because I’m a Chadwick Boseman fan.

I was very disappointed in my step father in law who told me he doesn't want to see it for 'political reasons'... guys loves sci-fi and comic book movies,... I plan on seeing it but may wait for video.... previews look great and love the reviews

My daughter and me want to go this weekend. One of our few non-softball weekends of the year.

J/C

I havent seen it yet but i am excited too. I have always been a BP fan.

Weird, i keep seeing all these "black superhero movie" or "first black superhero movie" - its not. Its a superhero movie whos superhero happens to be black. besides, Blade would have been " the first black superhero movie."

I have a buddy who runs a comic book store, and he loves it when there is a hit movie, because certain books jump up as a result.

He has several copies of the Fantastic Four comic that was the 1st appearance of the Black Panther. He said that they are worth between $200 and $800 right now.

I'm not generally into comic book movies. But this has good hype and seems different than the normal schick, so I will probably try to see it this weekend.

He killed in as James Brown in Get On Up ? I became a fan of his 10 minutes into that movie and will watch BP once the crowds thin out because I hate a crowded theater. An empty theater lets me get into the movie without distractions .

I saw it with my kids. Very good movie. Certainly enjoyed it. Everyone played a terrific role.

I assume there will be a sequel.

I literally watched Ant Man alone. It was a Monday night and my daughters wanted to see that Paper Towns movie, so they saw that and I saw Ant Man-all by myself.

Laughed a lot harder than I thought I would.

What the heck is Paper Towns? Edit: OK, just looked it up. Don't remember that one at all.

I loved Ant-Man. They showed a trailer for the sequel, 'Ant-Man and The Wasp" before Black Panther. It looks like another winner.

That should be 3 good Marvel Studios flicks this year along with Avengers: Infinity War.

Marvel seems to have the formula for very good movies down.

DC, unfortunately, does not. The Dark Knight trilogy was good, but the Green Lantern, Man of Steel, Dawn of Justice, and Justice League have not been very good. Wonder Woman was supposed to be good, and I will have to watch it one day, but overall they seem top have more losers than winners.

Man of Steel was good - i do think they cast Cahill or Cavill whatever his name is. He is a great supes. Batman vs superman was awful. Too cartoony with the Doomsday being so fake. WonderWoman i thought was excellent. Easily their best movie they have produced. Justice League was ok, and i only say ok because of Wonder Woman. She kept the entire movie together.

Ben Afflack is horrible as Batman BTW. hes a bad Bruce Wayne too.

DC problem is not so much the movies themselves - its that most people do not understand the overall difference between Marvel and DC comics. As far as how their characters and ideologies differentiate.

DC always was ahead of Marvel really until Marvel started putting out the Blade Movies. They changed the game with Blade. Now Dc who has always been more cartoonish and old fashioned is trying to play catch up. You can see this when they had Superman kill Zod. They are trying to add a darker element to their characters, instead of trying to keep them who they are. JMO

Yeah, DC movies do seem to be dark, and dreary. That worked with a character like Batman, but Superman is an iconic, hopeful character, and he has instead been characterized as a brooding character, too similar to Batman. He killed the villain in Man of Steel, which really is nit what Superman would do.

Marvel movies have excitement, and a real human element, and even humor in desperate situations, which I can definitely appreciate. They just feel more like real people in real situations. DC's movies feel dark, and the characterization feels forced.

Wonder Woman was better than justice league and BvS. You’ll like it bro.

Man bro, DC comics has always been darker anyway. Like....the streets are super dank. Batman vs joker is literally psychological warfare. The villains have always been about guys like you and I in the streets.

Marvel, those characters are out in the open. Everybody knows who they are. Everyone knows tony stark is iron man. Everyone knows who Thor and hulk are. There’s very few in the movies keeping it a secret like spider man. So you can make an intense block buster movie with marvel characters.

DC doesn’t belong on the big screen so much. It belongs more on TV.

Like Arrow.

Does this surprise you for some reason??

Paper Towns is a chick flick based on a book by my younger daughters favorite author of the time.

The whole lead up to that movie I’m thinking to myself what can they do with his character and it was great.

Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas we’re hilarious together.

Even the side kick guys were great!

Gonna be a great year for movies.

Excellent movie. Loved every minute. Probably my favorite Marvel next to Avengers...

Killmonger was the perfect villain. Its like you wanna root for him because of his story, but can't at the same time. He had some memorable quotes...

'Hey Auntie'....

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I don't know if it'll come through or the link will work right, but it's a meme about the guys who played Gollum and Bilbo in the Lord of the Rings being the two "Tolkien" white guys in Black Panther LOL

In any event,

I was one of those starting to get Marvel fatigue. I liked Civil War a lot, but it did seem a bit blah... until that is Black Panther's intro. I remembered saying at the time that was one of the best character intros in a long time.

As for the hype surrounding the Black Panther movie... I think it's overhyped from a variety of angles. If you are worried about political or social undertones being overtones and some kind of propaganda film... it definitely isn't. There's certainly some elements but I found that to be appropriately sprinkled in to provide depth to the characters and flesh out a different viewpoint to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In fact, I'd say the black vs. white thing was secondary to the discussion as to why Wakanda had not been more engaged with the rest of the world for all those years. That to me was a very deep topic and would be a fantastic one to kick around and discuss if rationale, cooler heads could participate.

But I also don't think it's the best of the Marvel movies. But then I guess the $180 million opening weekend says differently? lol

Personally I could have used just a little more tie in with the rest of the MCU. Not a whole lot, but maybe a bit more of the others during his flashback of his father being killed. I just think it would have helped illustrate T'challa's struggle with getting Wakanda more involved in the world (similar to Tony Stark seeing the bigger picture of the universe after fighting off the alien invasion in NY).

But I loved the James Bond influence!! LOved it, loved it!

Michael B. Jordan played a fantastic villain. I'm really liking him the more I see. I thought I saw they were putting together another Rocky movie where he (the son of Apollo Creed) fights the son of Ivan Drago.

The story was great, the pageantry and design was awesome.

One last comment about characters... the women in this movie were awesome. They weren't the post modern stereotype of what a strong woman is. They were competent, confident, and quite simply handled business when it was time to handle business.

I'm not one to spend money seeing a movie in the theatre twice, but I'll be adding this one to my collection when it comes out.

I am not familiar with how far back the comic/character goes but the roots and name of the militant movement date back to '65/66.

I was listening to NPR the other day and they were doing a very interesting feature about elementary and middle schools in black neighborhoods all across the country going to see the movie as a field trip. Hearing the teachers and their students talk about it, why they felt it was important to go and how it impacted them was especially moving.

Went and saw it opening night, was super excited for it....it was good, but definitely not the best superhero movie ever, or even the in the top 3 Marvel movies for me.

The character Black Panther 1st appeared in Fantastic Four #52, which had a cover date of July 1966, which means that it probably hit the shelves in April or May. (they dated comics ahead in those days to keep them on the shelves longer)

My guess is Marvel named the character after Newton & Seale's new movement that was getting quite a lot of media attention due to their armed presence, speeches and how they took on the Oakland police. I have read a couple books on Seale, Newton & the Panthers and the BPLA's public stance and earliest confrontations w/the police were earlier than summer '66.

Just saw it tonight. Wow...great movie. All I can say. Best Marvel movie? Right up there as far as I'm concerned.

Then again, only Marvel movie I don't think was all that was Iron Man III. Really disappointed with how they handled The Mandarin. Especially with Ben Kingsley playing the role.

Lotta heart, very imaginative. Have to say a little deeper perhaps?

Go see it.

I think Iron-Man 2 and 3 were both disappointing. Not terrible but I have never bothered rewatching any of them on TV. Definitely hated what they did w/ the Mandarin tease.

I was actually let down by Thor: Ragnarok, which got all kinds of love. That was WAY too much humor. It never stopped.

Avengers 2 (Ultron) was more misfire than anything for me.

I also think Captain America 1, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor 2 were a bit weak at times.

The rest I thought were great or at least very solid.

Saw it yesterday. I'd rate it 3 out of 5. I might need to watch it another time to decide if it could be bumped up to a 4. A "3" means I liked it.

I felt it was a tad too long and I didn't really connect with the secondary characters. The villain was great though (dude works out a bit ). The overall plot was solid and didn't feel too forced (with all the SJW pressure in today's culture).

Marvel/Disney found a formula for their MCU movies and they know what people (and their kids) like. Man, they're making money hand over fist. I was never a DC comics fan, so I can't say I feel bad for them, but they have to be ticked off. Come on, the 3rd Thor movie CRUSHED the Justice League movie (Thor grossed $315M in US and Canada versus $228 for JL). No way I saw that coming. I still think The Dark Knight is the best superhero/comic movie of all time, but most of the rest in the top 10 are from Marvel.

Just so you guys know... it's a common misconception that the Black Panther character was named after the movement. I'm not sure about which came about first, but the writers have said that any connection to the political group was not intended. The only thing they have mentioned is that they added a strong, black hero because that was something they realized was lacking.

The movie was great, and a little while after I saw it, I'm sticking to that. I'm not so sure it's my favorite anymore, though. Iron Man 1 might go back on top now that the Black Panther excitement has eased.

Now that I've had some time, here are my critiques.

I don't like his new suit. I don't like how it bleeds out of the necklace. I think that's too hokey and not believable (I know, it's a superhero movie... but the way that the suit is like liquid is too much, imo).

In hindsight, I think this movie should have been more like Winter Soldier... in that that movie was SUPER tied into the overall storyline. Other than the credits scene, Black Panther didn't really advance the overall MCU storyline other than intro us to Wakanda. No Infinity Stones, no establishing ties/relationship with the other heroes. It would've been nice if it had a more important role in the overall MCU story.

I agree, I would have liked to see a bit more tie in BUT I think what Black Panther had working against it is that Marvel is trying to inject an origins movie in the middle of everything else going on and the more I thought about it, all the other origin movies were actually very light on the overall MCU references:

Capt America: really the only tie in was the very end when he meets Nick Fury

The Hulk: You see "Stark Enterprises" on the sonic equipment, and then there's the post-credit scene in the bar with Tony

Iron Man: Agent Coulson kept haranguing Tony and Pepper about being a representative of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Thor: Again we see Agent Coulson doing his thing and only a little more of who/what S.H.I.E.L.D. is.

So in the context of origin stories, I don't think Black Panther came up any shorter than the others with the tie in. It's the timing and what seems to me sticking to an origins story formula that makes it feel a little out of place.

As to the history of the character, from my understanding it was created prior to the formal establishment of the Black Panther Movement, but I've heard there was a loose association, and I've heard there was no intended association at all. I do believe that there was a time period after the movement was established that Marvel changed the character to Gold Leopard or some such thing.

When I mentioned Marvel fatigue, I think this is part of what people are getting sick of.

I kind of liked that there was less tie in with the other films. Sometimes it isn't as necessary. Like in Ant-Man. That was a lower key flick and when he ends up having to got to Avengers HQ, it felt too forced for me.

And I feel like it still made me super pumped for Infinity War somehow, where I wasn't as excited for it as I felt I should be.