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The school resource deputy who was on patrol at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14 resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/22/dep...eriff-says.html

So much for a good guy with a gun...

I told you that kind of security was a joke.

Schools need real security.

But no matter, we can discuss it at the next shooting.

You know the school resource officer is a sheriff, right?

Yes. But as I said on page one of this thread...

"A single armed school resource officer somewhere on the campus at Parker is not armed security. It is a joke.

He never even made contact with the shooter.

Drop your agenda and make the kids safe."

No. A deputy.

Regardless - he didn't do the job he was being paid to do.

He got suspended. Then he resigned.

Says he was outside for 4 minutes, and the whole shooting thing took about 6 minutes.

How many lives could he have saved? 1? 5? 10? None? Well, he did manage to save his.

How many armed guards should there be? How much and what kind of training is sufficient?

A trained sheriff made the decision not to enter the building and confront the shooter. Had he done his job, he possibly could have saved lives.

Go look up proper security protocols and information on securing a building then get back to me when you have a clue.

One deputy walking around a huge building is not security, it is more like a factory night watchman.

Then answer the questions I asked. I'm not even opposed to armed officers, but with 90,000+ public schools in the US, that's an awful lot of armed guards. What does each school need? 2, 4, 10?

The officer arrived well before the shooting was finished, so he was close enough to help.

did i say it was - or did i say that myself? Seems like you are trying to pick a fight where one is not. But if you would like to stay on topic, please do.

Here is where you talking point fails, he was obviously was not a good guy, but a coward. Schools need good guys that are willing to do the job for security.

And before we get into a debate about banning this etc. . . . lets say hypothetically, we ban all guns (not going to happen) but we ban all guns - do you not think its still a good idea to have security and armed guards at schools?

Hundreds of teachers sign up for gun training in OH

My “talking point” didn’t fail whatsoever,especially seeing as how that’s a typical conservative talking point in the first place.

And by the way, I’ve advocated already for guards at school. So I dunno why you keep parroting a question I’ve alresdy stated an opinion on.

I didn’t think the guy is a bad guy whatsoever. But it’s something I’ve brought up before: you guys automatically assume just giving some people with guns is gonna solve the issue without taking into account fear and inexperience. Fight or flight.

And then to make it worse, we got people who now want teachers to have the capability of potentially popping one of their own students.

So willing to do the job? Good luck finding people willing to shoot kids. Maybe you know a ton, but I certainly don’t. Because at the end of the day, that’s what we’re talking about. These school shootings are being done mainly by fellow students. We got people who can’t even aim at paper targets correctly, yet you expect the schools to somehow find a guy willing to shoot an underage kid in the heat of the moment?

Come on.

Even in a hypothetical world where we pulled an Australia and got rid of most guns, we would still need armed guards, but not with guns.

Cause we still got parents with their petty ass disputes bringing it to school, creeps trying to claim kids as relatives and pull kids out of class, pedos hanging around school grounds, etc.

But again, I now have to waste my time answering a question I’ve already stated my opinion on. Pay attention.

School Shooting Victim tells his story about Town Hall

Despicable.

Once that "kid" takes up any weapon, or car, or bomb, or whatever he may take up to hurt and kill others - he is no longer a kid. He is a monster. Yes, I truly believe that that "good guy" will put him down. Will, we wont know unless/until it happens. But for someone how is always saying that people and cops are out to kill young black men - seems like you are not flip flopping that someone can pull a trigger on a "teen"

FYI - the vast majority of these mass school shootings are by adults.

Yea, in hindsight that kid is a monster. In the heat of the moment, it’s still a student/kid. I made that point that you magically glossed over.

And how is it a flip flop? We’re talking about mass shootings at schools and now you’re trying to compare that with something unrelated. At this point you don’t even know what you’re arguing.



Wrong:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/heres-ho...reaks-down.html

The majority of shootings at schools this year have been done by students.

Anyways, I’m done with the gun argument.

It’s gonna amount to a whole lot of nothing. And a bunch of “thoughts and prayers”.

He same people that voted in trump because they hated the status quo are now cool with the status quo of our kids dying in schools, cause “don’t take mah guns”.

Y’all have fun.

No sir, you are wrong. You see, you like to point out people and tell them constantly "go read what is said, blah blah blah"

I stated the vast majority of mass school shootings are by adults, you want to throw in "this year"

You cant cherry pick what you want - though you are good at it.

Your stats are also coming directly from a partisan group. There have not been 18 mass school shootings this year. So again, you are wrong.

Not during school or in the school mind you.

Pretty partisan to include to advance an agenda huh?

seems like a reach to include this one

Is it really part of the narrative if it was not an intended shooting?

I guess you could list this - but the "shooter" was not intended on hurting anyone but himself.

ahhh, more stray gunfire that gets labeled a "school shooting"

Drive by - or school shooting?

By my count, there have been 7 actual school shootings. 7 too many mind you. But trying to use fake statistics to back your claim, your better than that.

Shucky darns, you had to go and bring this up! Now all I'll hear is how it's unconstitutional to be an Atheist.

I can't help but imagine what discussion there would be about security if ISIS had infiltrated our Nation and began to systematically attack our schools.

There would be none. We would do whatever it takes to protect our children.

Swish, we may not agree on much. However, your absolutely spot on here. People asking teachers or anyone else to shoot a misguided underage kid is just ridiclious.

Do they not remember how screwed up our soldiers were that came back from Vietnam that were forced to shoot kids? Those kids were not even Americans, and most of those guys were flat out driven insane by the memory of having to do something like that.

I don't care if a kid has a gun or not, Im not going to shoot a damn kid. If it means he kills me, fine, im not shooting a child. I don't want that on my record of account to the Lord at judgement day...good luck explaining to God why you thought it was justifiable to shoot a kid....im sorry but anyone who would shoot a kid is not a good guy, that person is just a cold customer, someone that is probably more cold blooded then the kid with the gun.

The kid with a gun has issues, mental problems, he at least has some excuse due to some sort of mental issue, but not normal sane person is going to shoot a kid, regardless of circumstances...

As a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment when we describe "a Good guy with a gun" as someone who is going to shoot a misguided or mentlaly incapable kid in a school, we got some serious issues here...serious societal issues....its really sad...

You call me what you want - but we don't live in a fairy tale world. And Vietnam is a little bit different than hundreds of kids sitting in a school defenseless being rounded up and shot by a lunatic.

This was not a "kid" or a "student". This was a deranged crazy monster shooting kids and students that were defenseless. And even if it was a kid, 1 life is not worth 17. Especially when that 1 life is armed, killing those defenseless 17.

Im not calling you anything. Further more, most of these school shootings are done by students, kids FFS! However, its expected to "de-humanize" what you see as a threat, thats classic 101.

in Vietnam kids had guns and were strapped with bombs and forced our service men to kill them.

in school shootings we have a kid(in 99% of the cases under 18 just a kid) and folks want someone to shoot them. I see no differences.

The rational part of the human brain is NOT developed until around the age of 25. you combine that with untreated mental health issues, and you gotta find other ways to deal with this.

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051

This isn't fairytale land, our government needs to invest far more money into mental health services, those services need to be freely available to people who need them, and record of getting treatment needs to be sealed by court order so it doesn't follow people around like a damn felony conviction. This way people will actually seek help.

Im sorry, but I could never bring myself to shoot a kid or a student if I worked in a school. I don't care if that means my own death. I would try to talk him out of it, at worst maybe tackle him or wrest him to the ground, but im not shooting him...At the end of the day everyone is someone's son or daughter, what you call a monster they call their son or daughter.

I'd much rather sacrifice myself so the students I was with could run away then to use a gun to kill a clearly misguided mentally ill student....im just not cut from the cloth to be child killer, regardless of the circumstances, im just not that cold. Thats just not who I ever will be.

We are not talking about your own death - we are talking about the death of upwards to 17 other students. I guess the lunatics life is worth more than theirs.....

That is just a false stat. So I wont even comment.

fairy tale land. Once you are put down, he is going to shoot the rest of those kids. if you think otherwise, than yes - fairy tale. You act like once you are shot by this kid, he is going to fold up his gun and leave.

Trump - quite possibly the most adapt avatar for cowardice in all of American history - just called the armed resource officer at Parkland High School a coward.

jc. I'm not posting the article text this time, as I think everyone needs to see her...

http://www.insideedition.com/parkland-sc...pnel-behind-her

'He believed he did a good job': Armed campus cop who resigned in disgrace after hiding from gunman thinks he did his duty by 'calling in location and description of gunman'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5426695/H-S-cop-hid-gunman-believed-did-good-job.html

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Do you think he did a good job?

No.

I was more commenting on the fact that Trump - a doughy coward with a weakling's temperament - shouldn't really be in the business of judging others in the face of adversity.

It would be like me admonishing someone for having a gambling or eating problem.

I apologize for making fun of President Big Mac.

"I've never been so unimpressed". Jesus.

Veterans please correct me if I'm wrong but were not a lot of our soldiers just kids themselves? Between 17 to 21?

and yet you, admonish people yourself - on a daily basis. . . .

Oh, feel free too! I'm no fan of Trump - nor do I hate him - but he is entertaining, at the least.

J/C
While everyone goes back and forth about 2nd amendment rights and AR-15 and gun control and teachers armed in schools, let me enlighten you as to what has happened in my kids school and some schools around us this week.
Tuesday morning, there was a school assembly where all middle school and high schoolers were brought to the auditorium to watch a training video on what to do in case of an active shooter. Then in EVERY single class the rest of the day, they had a "what to do" if there was an active shooter during that class at that time of day. The school is putting on something for the parents next week to inform along with safety officers.
Then there was the kid in Massillon who shot himself. That made it to the rest of northeast Ohio within a couple hours.
Along with that, there was (1) school in Western Pa where I work that was on lockdown and (4-5) others in the Youngstown area that had some sort of online threat (2 were kids with guns in social media, another was a threat that was supposed to be a joke).
Then just looking at the online paper today, there are (2) schools in my area that students were charged by police with inducing panic and another one that was charged with making a threat. These were above and beyond what was listed above.
Then getting coffee this morning, a girl I work with said her kids were locked down after "something happened at school" a couple days ago.

We have a school resource officer and a fairly new school-but I never remember this many different "threats" at the same time.

I don't know how kids can concentrate with all this going on and I am sure that in every school there is someone who wants to make a joke out of it and thinks a threat is funny or throwing some loud snap pops down to a lower level is funny, but the kids are really freakin out.

Sad what is happening. Very sad.