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Both and then Baker Mayfield. I'd be happy happy happy.

Also Chubb > Fitzpatrick. BUT Barkley at #1 please.

EO I respect your opinion. There are strong arguments to be made on both sides. I wouldn't be upset if we choose SB over MF. When I look at MF I see the leader of our D for many years to come like an Ed Reed.

Just staying within the confines of the draft itself, I'd have to take Fitz over Barkley.
The Browns' need at safety is specifically Free Safety and even though Reid from Stanford may be a solid Safety 2 prospect even he is stuck with a 3rd round grade for me. That would be a two-round drop to "next target" for the position.

Running back options on the other hand after Barkley would include Michel at the top of the second and Kerryon Johnson, also somewhere in the second, and possibly even Josh Adams at the top of the 3rd (all of whom, along with maybe 4 other backs, I would prefer over skipping Minkah and seeing what else is there).

Admittedly, Free Agency may well change the need/ "best-player-for-our-team" argument, but within those confines I'd still prefer a CB over a Safety as rookie CB's take time to develop.

Who knows, maybe we'll sign a CB and still draft one with the plethora of picks we have in the top 65. But that's a curiosity for another day.

I know Fitz fits a need for us, and I know Chubb doesn’t fit a need, and I’m not even remotely thinking the browns draft Chubb, but if I had to pick who the best defensive prospect in this draft is, right now I’d say it’s Chubb. So if we follow BPA why isn’t Chubb part of the discussion, just cause we don’t have a need?


Again I’m not pumping him for our pick, just thinking out loud

The deeper I get in to this, Bradley Chubb looks like a player I would take at #1, then get one of Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold at 4.


Go hard after FA DB's and receivers.

Just read an article on Browns Wire that said with our 4th pick we are going to take Derwin Williams S from Florida State. That is assuming we move Jabrill into the box. Just another opinion but he is a good player also.

I presume that is Derwin James, not Williams.

Let's hope that is false. Dude is a good athlete, but he really struggled after returning from the previous year's injury.

Fitzpatrick.

Fitz. Not even close for me.

LeGarrett Blount has 2 Super Bowl rings.

LaDanian Tomlinson + Adrian Peterson = 0 rings.

With the rule changes in the 2000s RBs just can't do what they used to in the old days. Marshall Faulk was probably the last dominant RB and he was an FA pickup and did a lot damage in passing game.

Don't get me wrong I miss the old NFL, but times have changed.

Derwin James. My mistake. I also think MF would be a better pick.

Ask now, ask how, ask Derwin Williams.

A premium pass rusher is always a need.

I wonder how many of the Peppers detractors would be upset with this pick?

Last year we didn't draft Hooker, traded back and drafted Peppers and made the SS a FS. The biggest complaint was he played out of position and is more of a SS.

Now the talk is we might pass on Fitzpatrick to draft Derwin James. I'm curious with those upset with the Peppers pick, if we draft James which of our SS would you be most comfortable with starting the season playing FS?

I agree, James is more a SS and Fitz a FS. I don't know how smart James is, but Fitz is reputed to be very smart. I would think that if there is a significant difference, it will be evident in the interviews.

I don't know. We will probably get that anyway.

As I said, I think those 3 are about the same. I don't think it matters much which one you get. One of the top 3 QBs will be in the board when we draft at #4.

You can take Chubb off the board and insert any player you want....Fitz at #1, Barkley...whoever.

I am sure we will probably select a QB at #1. I am just pointing out I don't think it makes much difference.

I don't think it is necessarily the Peppers detractors that would not like the James pick. Even the Peppers supporters say he was playing out of position. We need a FS and drafting James is not going to help that situation. We do that, and we still have a SS playing FS. Whether its James or Peppers, I am not sure. Probably does not matter.

I would not be comfortable with any of them playing FS. My guess is that it would be James. Peppers already showed he is not a FS.

If we pass on Fitz for James, then it's a different square peg for that round hole. Still a square peg, but a different one.

Respectfully Peen, it's easy for us to sit here with our limited info and hobby level experience at evaluating talent and say these 3 guys are roughly equal so it doesn't matter which one we pick. But for the people actually making the decision, it's a career making, or breaking, decision. Each of these QBs have different skill sets, so picking which one has the skill set that best suites our needs is important. I play fantasy football, and I suspect you do as well. If I have a choice between 3 QB's with similar projections, I would agree with your view regarding which one I choose. But I'm not risking my career with that decision. Rosen is a brilliant technician, but how will his twice bruised brain handle getting repeatedly slammed onto frozen turf. Darnold has an amazing ability to turn broken plays into big plays, but can he improve his mechanics to avoid a high turnover rate. Mayfield is a proven winner at the college level, but can he translate that to the NFL with it's much different playing environment.

If the Browns are drafting a QB, which one matters. They have their choice, so they can use their information and experience that we don't have, and pick the one that best fits the team. That decision is more important than who we pick at RB or DE. If they pass up a Farve or Manning and end up with a Dalton, who's running the ball in 5 years, or blitzing the opposing QB won't much matter. We shouldn't let other teams make that decision for us.

Somewhere in all of this I noted that as the combine wraps up, and private workouts are held, things can change. They may identify their guy.

I don't trust that any of these guys(front office types) really know who is going to be the best. I don't see 1 who is clearly better than the others. As you said, they all bring something to the table.

I think Hue had a cookie cutter opinion on QB's, meaning those guys had to do the things he wanted in a QB. Haley on the other hand has said he doesn't really have a "system". Rather, he molds the O around what the players can do. So, that is a positive IMO. Tailor the O to be the best fit for the QB you have.

As i said, we will probably take a QB first. I just don't really care who it is because I think they are about the same. Plus, I want Cousins. I'd rather not even draft a QB in the first round. If we do that, that is a plan B option IMO.

Yeah, I'm on the other side of that fence. Cousins is good, top 15 QB, but he's 30 and has probably reached his ceiling. I know it's based on "hope", but I believe both Rosen and Darnold will stud out, end up better than Cousins and over a longer time period. I don't want to risk missing out on one of them (Darnold) doing that in a Browns uniform. So for me, signing Cousins, to borrow a golf term, is "laying up" and playing it safe. I want the team to go big.

But isn't that what we always do and how we got to where we are today?

Well since we know that Barley wants to play for the Jets that means he doesn't want to come here. So he's out now.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/saq...2c18y64asc29o4h

Ha.

"But as I said, whatever team decides to draft me, that’s a blessing."

Am I the only one still laughing about this?

I don't think that with Gregg Williams here we are ever going to draft Fitzpatrick, unless he assumes Peppers is a bust...

Don't think it makes any sense to have Fitzpatrick and Peppers in the backfield...

I also think Saquan is the BPA.... and we have seen what Zeke and Fournette have done to their teams... Krim Hunt also could be used has an example...

Drafting Fitz does not mean Peppers is a bust. Drafting Fitz will move Peppers out of FS and to SS where he will have a chance to succeed. Another year of Peppers at FS will not help his career.

You give too much credit to Peppers...

We actually have a good SS in Kendrick and you want to give the position to a guys that doesn't even know how to tackle...

Kendrick was one of the good things on this team...

I think you mean "Derrick Kindred"

Kindred was great last year in run support but he was pretty bad in coverage.

Sorry.....

Amazing post... what does Kindred have to do to be better than Peppers....

Peppers is hands down the worst player in the team, even worst then Kizer...

Strange how you make excuses for some players, while with others you are so sure...

Kindred is actually a good SS, he played well in a very bad team, what more does the guy have to do?

Comparing him to Peppers is a joke....

No need for that. Just wanted to let you know.

Damn.

What is interesting is that the only ones who should be advocating to draft Fitzpatrick are the ones who think Peppers is a bust...

If you think Peppers will pan out, why would you draft another safety...

Makes no sense to me...

Unless you don't like Kindred, for reasons..... because the guy played great, IMHO.

Because Minkah Fitzpatrick and Jabrill Peppers don't play the same position. And Fitzpatrick plays a bunch of different positions really well.

I think they are different players, yes, and that Peppers should have never been drafted....

And we already have a very good SS which was moved from FS position... so moving Peppers to SS would mean that you punish one of the better players on the team....

I honestly think you guys are giving Peppers to much credit and excuses...

If Peppers is a good SS why wouldn't Hue move Peppers to SS and Kindred to FS?

Kindred is showing considerable improvement, he is learning and taking on better habits, while Peppers didn't show any signs he can learn and be a better player.

It's almost like Peppers was playing out of position the entire season. . .

If it were up to me I'd play three linebackers much, much less. I'd play Peppers as a linebacker/nickel corner/strong safety. And I'd trade the #4 pick and probably never end up with Mikah Fitzpatrick.