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My bad, I was going to go back and fact check that, and then I just took the above posters word for it.

~Lyuokdea

You know that's really not what you convey in your posts.

Honestly, you've become very hard to read - whereas I once thought you a very good poster.

But your sudden love-fest with Quinn based on nothing but Diam's opinion, and your over-the-top hatred for Frye has gotten to be a little much.

It's the one area where I think you come across with a lot of bias and not enough objectivity, and I think you've proven you are a lot more intelligent than that otherwise.

I'd say give it a rest until you can form your own opinion on Quinn and not just take someone else's word for it.

j/c

What is going on with this guys negotiations, anyone have any idea? I have heard they are close, if not agreed, on money and years, but are debating signing bonus and incentives..

Is this correct??

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"I wanted to put myself in the same scenarios as the guys doing two-a-days back in Ohio,"

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It would be a lot easier if you were IN OHIO!!!

Sign your already-bloated contract and get your dumb ass into camp.

You are letting your team and your fans down.

BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Brady Quinn missed his fourth day of training camp Monday in a contract holdout that shows no signs of ending anytime soon for the first-round draft pick.

Quinn, who figures to compete for the starting job with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson, has missed six practices so far.

Browns general manager Phil Savage has been in negotiations with Quinn's agent, Tom Condon, but the team said there was nothing new to report.

"I'm glad we've got the other guys out there," Savage said. "If anything, it's given Charlie and Derek the chance to get more reps, and that's a positive."

Savage characterized talks with Condon as "in the same neighborhood, but not on the same street."

A four-year starter at Notre Dame, Quinn was expected to be taken in the first 10 picks in April's draft. However, he slipped to No. 22, where the Browns nabbed him after trading a first-round pick in 2008 to the Dallas Cowboys.

Condon could be trying to get his client money in line with a top 10 selection, something the Browns already had to do to sign left tackle Joe Thomas, the No. 3 overall pick, who signed a five-year $42 million deal last week that included $23 million in guaranteed money.

With the exception of Quinn, all of Condon's picks in the first two rounds are in their respective camps.

Quinn also missed the club's rookie orientation program last week. Frye understands the importance of getting to camp as soon as possible.

"You just want to get here and build relationships with guys," Frye said. "This is the hardest part of the season, being in training camp. You just got to be optimistic and when you get here, you got to learn fast."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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Not bashing you, Ammo. You're certainly welcome to your opinion, and I even understand it. I just have a different take on the guy and his abilities.

FWIW - Ammo is correct about nutrition and work out regimen difference between quinn and the other two QBs. its not a matter of knowing what each of them do, its a matter of knowing nutritional and exercise science.

Look at my sig, I'm a huge fan... I had his pic in silhouette there before the draft. I consider Brady the QB of the future and Charlie back-up of the future, but I also see no reason to start Brady for a year or two if we get good play from Charlie while he develops. I also think this year Charlie will be better, on a better team, with a better offensive weapons and scheme. So in that sense, Brady's holdout doesn't bother me one bit. As far as I'm concerned, it gives Charlie more reps during the two-a-days and that will help get him better prepared to start. I don't want Brady to start this year. Or next if he doesn't have to. You need two QBs in this league. In my opion, Savage is doing it right by building a stable of QBs who know and can run the system. Yes, eventually Brady with his big arm will be there to strike fear into the hearts of our opponents, but it doesn't need (or shouldn't IMO) to happen any time soon. We have the luxury of allowing him to sit and develop in a league where that's becoming extremely rare. JMHO

/i dont know if this has been posted or if it should go in a different brady quinn thread. I thought it was a different type of article focusing on a whole hold out thing.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1185872124301040.xml&coll=2

Cleveland Browns' Brady Quinn feels holdout is right thing
Browns rookie QB says he has to make sure contract is 'fair'
Tuesday, July 31, 2007
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

Browns rookie quarterback Brady Quinn said Monday from Arizona he feels he's doing the right thing by waiting for the right deal, even though it's difficult.

"I'd love to be there competing for the starting job," said Quinn, who has missed the first four days of camp. "But it's a long contract, and I have to make sure it's fair in the event I become the starter."

Quinn said he trusts his agent, Tom Condon, who was named the most powerful agent in football by The Sporting News in 2006. Condon represents some of the biggest-name quarterbacks in the league, including Peyton and Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Chad Pennington and Matt Leinart. He also represents former Browns No. 1 pick Tim Couch, who just signed with Jacksonville.

"Tom has a first-round quarterback every year, and he's accustomed to dealing with this," said Quinn, who tumbled to No. 22 on draft day. "That's why I chose him. He's been in tough situations."

Quinn said he's talked with Leinart about how to handle the holdout. Last season, Leinart held out for two weeks in a contract dispute with the Arizona Cardinals and was sharply criticized by coach Denny Green.

The 10th overall pick out of Southern Cal, Leinart was the last first-round pick to sign but received a five-year deal worth about $51 million, including $14 million guaranteed. Despite the missed time, Leinart started in Week 5 and went 4-7 in his 11 starts. "Matt said to be patient, that it's part of the business," said Quinn.

Quinn said rumors that he's not on the same page as Condon are completely false. A Browns insider said he felt the deal would be done if not for Condon.

"I have total faith in what Tom's doing," said Quinn. "I'm letting him do his job. He understands I'm in a competitive situation."

Quinn said he has no idea when he will sign because "they've slowed down on some of the progress they were making." He said he thought the sticking points involved guaranteed money and some other issues, perhaps escalators that would boost his pay.

Condon could not be reached.

Quinn said he received a call from Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, a longtime friend of Romeo Crennel's.

"I don't know if he was calling on behalf of Romeo or not, but it was great to talk to him," said Quinn. "He's been on the other side and offered good advice."

Quinn said he's also talked to many NFL veterans who have passed through Athletes' Performance Institute, the gym at which he is working out in Arizona. They include Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Fred Mitchell, fellow holdout Levi Jones and Larry Johnson, who arrived on Sunday.

"They all said they've been there and to hang in," said Quinn, who's been at API for about two weeks.

He said he's working out twice a day to simulate training camp. He's throwing, lifting, studying his plays and watching cutups of the Browns offense. He's also been in contact with quarterbacks coach Rip Scherer and quarterback Ken Dorsey, who's become a mentor.

"I'll be ready to go," he said.

He said he doesn't know if he will still reach his goal of starting the opener Sept. 9, "but I still plan to start this season," he said.

Quinn also wanted to clarify what happened at his appearance at Great Northern Mall two weeks ago, when fans were miffed they had to pay for autographs.

He said he was hired by a memorabilia company a long time ago to sign items and was paid a flat appearance fee. He said he wanted to do it at a mall so fans could meet him and take pictures without having to pay admission to a show.

"I wasn't getting the money from the signed items," he said.

He added that a good portion of the proceeds went to Welcome House, an organization that assists mentally challenged adults with housing.

Not 1 word about the status of the negotiations, or what Charlie Wiess said (telling me he told him to keep the hold out short )

I was hoping for a holdout. I don't want the Browns to start Quinn too early.

I think this hold out could last a very long time if he thinks hes going to get the same kinda deal that Leinart got.

Being a life long Cleveland Browns fan I can tell Brady this....buddy Talk is cheep,

I give you grief because Kirk, while a good analyst, is a HUGE HOMER and was one of the very few that were saying he'd go that high...in fact the only one I can recall.

I give you grief because you hurl insults at a class kid and resort to making things up to do so in Frye, then pull out the "I hope he proves me wrong" crap when confronted.

You are simply flat out WRONG in your "guarantee". You may have done the "bodybuilding" thing, but you know what, you are CLUELESS about Charlie's diet, workouts, and routines. I have been involved in the "nutrition thing" since the early 80's when I was in Jr. High. That doesn't mean I have a CLUE as to what Quinn's doing NOW. I do, however, know what Charlie does. I know his workout habits, what he does every day, and what his diet is like. You are DEAD WRONG, period.

I Just Hope When All This Hoopla Is Over With, He Is The Qb Everyone Says He Is, and Quinn Says Himself..

Being a life long Cleveland Browns fan I can tell Brady this....

Do not worry about the fans and media.

The contract negotiations are "your" business. You hired an agent because the Browns are represented by professional negotiators too.

Browns fans and the media need to butt out of your business.

When you report to camp is up to those negotiating your contract.

Keep working out and do your best to learn the playbook.

Hope to see as soon as the contract issues are agreed to....mac

.....One would think that Browns fans would be used to the negotiating process by now. But it seems that some fans lack the knowledge to understand the athlete has little to do with the negotiating process.

I refuse to turn against a player just because the Browns negotiators and the players representative have not reached agreement yet.

You go BQ

I just hope the play book has a pad lock on it while he is mingling with enemy players Lock your room Brady!!!!

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Well Brady sounds a little bit different now than he did after the draft regarding getting into camp on time.

Any time you get millions of guaranteed dollars Brady, I would think that is "fair."

cant post sorry...refs? Edit: Got it! It f*** up every time I try to use an apostrophe (thats not the word I mean but Im not a grammar king, lol..the thing in I am -Im-...you know)...why does that happen?

Im with Peter King on this 1....this is probably the dumbest holdout in NFL history. With our QB-situation and our HC who hates holdouts...is really probably the dumbest thing Quin could do.....

he is offered 8 million $ guaranteed...thats more than enough for life even if he should slip on a banana tomorrow. Leinart was picked what? 11th? 12th? and got 11mil and he wants more being picked at 22?

Im beginning to doubt how serious Quinn is to play for "his favourite team"....

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Browns fans and the media need to butt out of your business.

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As a paying customer and or a professional writer....it is their business!

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"But it's a long contract, and I have to make sure it's fair in the event I become the starter."

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Well,...the longer he holds out the less this will become a factor,..at least for this year.

This doesn't make sense to me to be held up on these details,I have a feeling he's not getting the best advice out there.Who is counseling him that has been in this same exact situation.(player wise)

Since you responded to mine, I just wanna add alittle ;

Yes it is Brady's buisness, and I'm for him getting the best deal he can. it's his life and he has every right to set himself up with the best deal possible,

now there are two sides to this, maybe it's not our buisness but reality of sport is as such, like it or not, agree or not, we fans two weeks after his contract is announced dont give a rats behind what he makes, if he cant produce on the field, If he fails he will be marked as a waste of money, if he produces money will not be mentioned, to much, LOL....We dont care what the price we want a winning team, so to that speaking soley as a fan, talk is cheep, and he hasnt proved anything to us Browns fans yet, I dont care aobut ND & C. Wiess, we've heard it over and over again about this player or another player, If you produce you will get paid, ALOT...and every player, owner, fan agent knows even though you sign, it dosent mean anything nowdays, players are always holding out for more, saying they'll hold out, demand to be traded, ect. If contracts were golden and had to be fullfilled as they were signed, i'd understand holding out for every penny, but nowdays a contact signed this year dosent alway mean a hill of beans the next. So sign get into camp and prove & earn your worth, pay day will come

Just my opinon.

Once a player gets past the hard part of a holdout...the first 2 days, the rest is easy...and the Browns know it. The pressure they apply with the coach talking about missing time has little impact at this point. The fans who want to hold it against him will no natter if it is a day holdout or 3 week holdout.

It is his future and he shouldn't sign until he feels he is getting what he wants.

The pressure is now switching back to the Browns. No matter right or wrong, they are the ones who end up looking like fools if they can't get a deal done.

Tell you what..I am not willing to take a hit on the chin for the league and other owners.

Get the kid in camp. If you have faith you made the correct decision, you aren't going to be blowing money and the heck with what other teams think.

I will lose alot of respect for our FO if they give in to a rediculous demand not in line with 22. He's holding out for more guarantees if he becomes a starter.

Who is drafted in the first round that isn't expected to start almost immediately.

I don't know what the details are to be honest.

All I know is he better be in camp....and it looks like it won't happen with the offer in place at this point.

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He said he doesn't know if he will still reach his goal of starting the opener Sept. 9, "but I still plan to start this season," he said.

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I don't mind the holdout that much.

It's good to be confident, but something about this kid is starting to bother me, like he's already annointed himself the BMOC.

Even right after the draft, when asked if he's got the Dolphins game circled on the schedule because they took Ginn, he said, "I've got the whole schedule circled."

Um hey Brady, you might want to win the starting job first. Check that, you might want to get to camp first.

I hope Frye starts taking it personally, and ups his game.

This interview was a DumbAss move.

1. It confirms that he is in total agreement with Condon on the holdout
2. He's worried about what happens when he becomes a good QB...well he ain't going to earn a penny of his several millions that he will get his first season. As the benches are now all Fiber glass and there is no chance of even a splinter.

3. Its the 2nd contract dummy...the first year you're watching - Leinart??? Leinart was a #10 pick in the draft what remotely do you two have in common. You hold out 2 weeks unless there is a run of injuries on the QB you ain't seeing the light of day...Leinart

4. If you are a real QB you will be around for more than 5 years...actually the first 5 years aren't even going to touch your prime. Its the next contract.

5. We have given a fair contract to EVERY! EVERY! Rookie that we have drafted the first day - so all of a sudden we are Beating Quinn???

6. He knows he's working in a blue collar town - He knows he will turn every fan (except Diam) against him by holding out for MO Millions than what his slot is worth. He's worried about how much money he'll be making as a Starting QB when our starting QB presently is making 435grand and he ain't worried about how much he's making as the starter...just worried about WINNING. Now how is he going to win over the masses with that attitude.

7. I won't boo him but if he don't stud out and last I looked only Marino studded out with his first couple of years as a starter, Browns fans will BOO him and when he cries about it all he has to look back to this day for the reason why.

8. Diam your boy so far has been a big, big dissapointment. NFL ready, Great QB...how bout Earning something first. Its not like we are giving him offers that are disrespectful...Every person he named was a Top 10 QB except for Brees and he got his money on his 2nd Contract not his rookie contract!

JMHO

The thing that annoys me with the holdout is that Brady had been quoted as saying he wanted everything done possible to get him into camp on time.

I guess talk is cheap.

But Brady Quinn won't be.

You read this interview and see how quickly he's changed. In getting an agent like Tom Condon, right there says "problem." He reps the top QB's in the league, and he's going to treat Quinn just the same. Though he's never played a down.

We buy the tickets.... We support the team... It is our business too....

If Quinn is waiting for a Leinart type deal... He must remember a couple things... # 1... Leinart was picked much higher than Quinn.... # 2... Leinart was a Heisman Trophy winner, who played on a National Championship Team.... In other words... Leinart had a history of performing in Big Games.... Quinn doesn't. Leinart was considered the most NFL ready QB out of his draft.... and he didn't fall as far as Quinn....

By the way.... I'm not using stats here people... I'm going by what I saw on the field....

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Hey Brady...

Sign for your 22 money.... You're on a team behind Frye and Anderson. Chances are, as a first round pick, you will be starting at some point in time... You need to prove you should have been picked at # 3 instead of 22.....

Just a little advise for the kid.....

Maybe Ammo was right.... We should have gone for Troy Smith....

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You need to STFU and sign your contract, DUMBASS!!

Of course I realize that neither CF or DA are the second coming of Otto Graham, but this makes you pull pretty hard for one of them to really succeed.

I'm not anti BQ by any means, but c'mon kid, this won't endear you to these fans! (at least until you throw your first TD)