DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Sound familiar?: Browns Reportedly Not "Enamored" with top QBs

Nope, they're not doing nail art of the top QBs. Hue does like his mani- and pedicures, but I don't think he is putting faces on his toes in nail polish, Darnold, Rosen, or anyone else.

I think this is what he doesn't understand. He ripped me because I said thousands of short qbs don't make it in the NFL. He mistakenly tried to turn that into me saying that they got to the NFL and failed, when my point was that there are thousands of very good short qbs who never make it to the NFL in the first place.

I am not saying Mayfield won't be good. Instead, I am saying that pointing out two guys who made it isn't very logical considering how many short qbs have not made it.

And yet no one can name a handful of these very good short quarterbacks who haven't made it in or to the NFL.

Because most of them were very forgettable.

Or don't exist.

...in the NFL.

Can y'all help me out? I am not sure if he is just trolling me or really doesn't get what I am saying. I'm NOT talking about failed NFL qbs...........I'm talking about the thousands of guys who were shorter and never even made it to the NFL because they were shorter. Good God.........what the hell is so hard to understand?

There are thousands of tall guys who also didn't make it to the NFL...and a bunch who DID and sucked. He can either play or he cannot. Time will tell.

I think some of you are picking....Mayfield will get drafted and we will see. I agree with Vers...the samole size is small because there are a lot of QB's who don't fit the cookie cutter. and never got the chance at the NFL.

No doubt. Many of the short guys who never got the chance also did not deserve the chance because their actual GAME wasn't exceptional enough to overcome their height.

By many accounts, Mayfield is an exceptional QB at playing the actual game. Maybe that will translate to the NFL and maybe it won't, but the repeated knock on him is always about his height and attempts to discredit his actual play goes against many of the pundits who get paid to make such evaluations. How many times have we read "If he were only 2" taller, he'd be the consensus #1 QB in this draft"? That says he's the best at being an actual QB and the worst at being tall. That doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

There is risk in drafting him...there is risk in drafting Rosen or Darnold or Allen or Jackson. I think Mayfiled is the guy we should draft #1 overall if we don't land Cousins...but I will understand if we choose not to do so. I doubt the diehard Rosen/Darnold supporters have the same attitude.

I've never said that he would be the best if he were 2 inches taller. In fact, I detailed why I would not draft the guy before round 3.

I do think someone will take a shot on him in the first round, but I think he has a lot of question marks about his game.

I didn't include you - or anyone else necessarily by name - in a group of those who state the 'if he were only 2" taller' line. I have read that line many more times than I've read criticism of his actual game.

I read your breakdown of Mayfield. Very reasonable take. However, most opinions I read don't match up with yours...particularly in regards to anticipation. I'm not much of an Xs and Os guy...but I am enamored with how he stands tall in the pocket and puts the ball where it needs to go.

That's fair.

I'm not saying he won't make it or can't make it. I just have a lot of questions w/the guy. I also have a ton of questions about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

I think Rosen and Darnold are clearly better than the rest, but there are questions about them, too. Just not as many.

Unfortunately I have the impression that taking shots is a Dorsey thing...

Hope the due diligence on Mayfield is done by professionals... last thing we need is Manziel the 2nd

It's not hard to understand. I understood what you meant the first time, and then again the second time of which anyone should have understood.

Consider the source.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Its looking more and more like Barkley may be the pick at #1

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...c8-00b160bd1faf

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-to...Barkley-at-No-1

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...rkley-115443824

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...first-qb-fourth

The thinking is the Browns probably want Allen or they have Allen and Darnold very closely rated. In this scenario they can take the BPA and still get the QB they want at 4 because they would be happy with either Allen or Darnold.

I think if we land McCarron this becomes the plan. A lot of this hinges on getting McCarron. McCarron + Barkley gurantees that Allen/Darnold gets the 1-2 years needed to get the reps in practice and to actually develop into the guy who can take over later.

This is VITAL when it comes to Darnold or Allen because they is only 20 and 21 years old respectivly, they are younger then Kizer...they both need to sit, putting one of them out there day one will be a disaster, but they could be really good Qb of the bunch if they gets time to sit.

This makes the most sense, i think either Darnold or Allen, I have them both rated pretty close, both of them need to sit for atleast a year...one of those 2 guys will be their for us at #4...it doesn't matter which one it is, I like both of them and im sure Dorsey does too...this leaves Barkley and remember...a RB by the name of Laevon Bell was a BIG part of Haley offense in Pittsburgh, so RB is going to be far more valuable here then elsewhere in the NFL mostly.

If this is Dorsey thinking, I like it...Barkley is an impact player who studs day one, we get a good Qb in McCarron, and we get to develop a guy like Darnold or Allen that can take over at some point after this year and allow us to build a good roster, its a win-win.

I would venture to guess that there are as many tall Qb's that have failed as there are short ones. Is height an issue to consider? yes, one of many.

I heard Bill Polian talking and he stated that even if he thought Baker Mayfield was the top Qb in the draft that he would not draft him #1 overall because of his height - FWIW

Three videos based on Carr's statements and one from Kiper? That's just wishful thinking on your part, KOB. Not saying it can't happen, but it's pure speculations at this point.

See, this is my point. What quarterback in the history of the game didn't make it because he was too short?

Were there any? I doubt it.

Were there any who didn't make it because he was too tall? hands too big? too small? had red hair?...

We have Drew Brees, Case Keenum, Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor staring us in the face, and mind you 3 of the 4 led their teams to the playoffs... and yet height is a reason for failure?

So... I'll ask, is Mayfield going to fail because of his height?

You are completely twisting or missing my point. Please go troll someone else.

I'm not disputing any of this...

You are completely twisting or missing my point. Please go troll someone else.

j/c

I think the most-interesting thing I've heard about a QB's height is basically this:

In order to be successful, an undersized QB must simply NOT have any other holes in his game. Also, the shorter QB must always be "On" to succeed. The effort and consistent-effort required can be exhausting and requires an exceptional person.

I think the Brees and Wilsons of the world do that for the most part. I think the Tyrod's of the world do it a lot. I think these guys are clearly the exception.

You call this speculation?

Saquan Barkley lifting compilation:


Lifting Power Clean 405lbs
Bench Press 30reps@ 225lbs (Jadeveon Clowney did 21) Squat 7reps@ 495lbs

look at the video

https://twitter.com/JL_Chapman/status/968350485563498496?s=09

This guy is going to crush The Combine barring a complete disaster, He will cement himself as BPA by a very large margin over everyone else...

By the time the Combine is over the Browns shouldn't be able to get to the podium come April with Barkley's name on it fast enough...

then again though this is the Browns, smart people from other teams tend to get hired here and then their brains tend to just die for the few years they are here, so you just never know... i fully expect the Browns to screw this up because its simply what we do...its expected behavior at this point.

Well, I suppose you can call it wishful thinking if you want. Not sure what it has to do with this thread though.

That's pretty nuts... but there's a lot more to RB than throwing weight around.

Exactly my point. You're just more articulate.

Browns won't play rookie quarterback immediately, coach Hue Jackson says

Pat McManamon
ESPN Staff Writer

The Cleveland Browns aren't drafting a quarterback with the intention of playing him right away, coach Hue Jackson said Wednesday at the NFL scouting combine.

"Would we have to [play him]?" Jackson told reporters. "I would hope not."

Jackson then mentioned free agency as an opportunity to add a quarterback to go with players already on the roster. That comment points to free agent A.J. McCarron -- whom Jackson declined to comment on -- and DeShone Kizer, who played in 15 games for the Browns during their winless 2017 season.

The Browns are expected to draft a quarterback with the first overall pick, but Jackson said it is too soon to say who that will be. This week will start to answer a lot of "whys" about the available quarterbacks.

Southern California's Sam Darnold will not throw at the combine, but Jackson said that will not affect the team's assessment of him.

"We wish he would throw, like to see him throw," Jackson said. "But at the same time, there's going to be other times for us to have an opportunity to watch him work out and do those things. But again, do I wish he was throwing this weekend? Yes, I do, to watch him compete with the other guys. But at the same time, that's not going to hinder us making a decision about what kind of player he is for our football team."

The Browns will talk to Darnold to find out as much as they can about his 21 fumbles in 27 college games.

"You got to see where that's coming from," Jackson said. "Is it because the guy is not protecting the ball? Maybe somebody is hitting him on the arm? Maybe it's his grip. There could be a lot of different reasons why those things are happening. But again, as you just mentioned, it's something we have to find out about."

The Browns coach said he likes a quarterback with a large hand size, a measurement that will be important for Darnold.

Browns coach Hue Jackson says the team wants to meet with all the top quarterback prospects at the scouting combine. AP Photo/Michael Conroy
Jackson also shrugged off the report that Josh Rosen would prefer not to play in Cleveland. ESPN reported in December that Rosen was privately expressing concern about winding up in Cleveland and would prefer to play for the New York Giants. This week, Rosen told NFL Network that he had never said he didn't want to be with the Browns.

"Obviously we'll ask him that question and he'll be able to answer it," Jackson said.

The Browns also will try to dive into Josh Allen's collegiate completion percentage.

"We're going to find out why it was 56.2 percent," Jackson said. "I think that's what you have to do. I think that's why we're here at the combine, and that's what we'll be doing over the next month or two, is to find out why those things are happening. And again, have the player give us an opportunity to get an understanding from him and for us to keep digging into this things."

Baker Mayfield's height will be important. He has been listed at 6-foot-0, and Jackson has said he prefers a taller quarterback, someone at least 6-2.

"There's always outliers, right? I did say that," Jackson said. "There's still guys in the league that are playing that are below 6-foot-2 and have played really well. There's always that one player who's going to be special, and this young man may be that. But we don't know that yet, so we'll find out as we go."

The combine will be Jackson's first chance to meet with Mayfield.

Jackson said the Browns believe there are a few players who can be good NFL quarterbacks, and the decision comes down to a basic point: Can he play? Jackson was direct in saying the Browns' goal is to add a veteran as well as a drafted player to join Kizer.

"That's kind of how you want your room set up," Jackson said. "You want a guy that's been a veteran player that's played in the National Football League that's had a chance to win. You'd love to have a young player that you're developing, maybe two of those kind of players in your room. And again, the veteran is somebody that those players can learn from. To learn the National Football League, so they can understand what the rigors are. When they're ready to play, the veteran kind of moves on. That's what you hope to have."

Link

so... we are drafting a QB in the 7th round and signing McCarron.
In the first we will take:

Barkley at 1
Fitz at 4


Also, if anyone wants to draft an Air Raid QB... they are sadly in for More Cleveland Browns players making the list of failed Air Raid QB's.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...id-quarterbacks
check out the top 4. we drafted 3 of them:


Noteworthy NFL QBs from college air raid offenses
QB Pick number Career NFL starts Career NFL passer rating
Tim Couch, Kentucky 1 59 75
Jared Goff*, Cal 1 7 64
Brandon Weeden*, Oklahoma State 22 25 76
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M 22 15 74

I don't think that power lifting increases your draft status. lmao

My heart sank watching some of this. More Hue nonsense. I know we are in a "say nothing" phase, but this really sounds like more slick nonsense that we have lost with before.

Somebody screw up and do it right this year.

I know you are but what am I? Repeating Vers' comment like that sounds like the Pee Wee Herman of the message board.

I'd say probably only half those things stand a chance of happening.

Thanks for the article, Cal.

It kills me how editors twist the words around of the reporter and the coach/player speaking. Unless I missed it, I didn't see where Hue said he won't play the rookie qb immediately.

I think he was asked something like this:

Reporter: Do you think you are going to have to play your rookie QB immediately?

Hue: "Would we have to [play him]? "I would hope not."

The key words in that exchange are "have to."

That is far different than "Browns won't play rookie quarterback immediately."

I might stop watching football if we did that..... that'd be awful...

When the star RB out benches the star edge player, you might reconsider that stance.