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Of course, we heard the same thing last Friday........  I'll believe it when I see it.
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hmmmm LOGIC IMPAIRED, dolts, FOOLISH, PLAIN IGNORANT.
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I'm hearing this is all Condoms fault, and Brady wants to be here, like yesterday.. And from the looks fo it, so do the coaches, because we look like crap at the QB position.. This crap has to come to a hault, because it's like a box of chocolate, " you never know what your going to get ".. There should be a set rate for the kids, for each position, THEN, after they prove their worth, PAY THEM..
I'm just sick of all this hoop-laa.. The way it's going, by the year 2015, first round picks are going to get paid like tycoons, because they can throw around college kids, LOL.. NO PROOF, BUT CRAZY PAY, comonnnnnn..
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Pssst pro players put their pants on one leg a time just like the rest of us.
ahh .. so now your suggesting we get paid based on how we put our pants on??? *LOL* ... WTF GM ...
Pssst ... pro players put their legs in MUCH MUCH NICER sweats and suit pants than we do ... and theirs a reason for that ..
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They are no better or no worse than the average guy.
thanks for clearing that up for me ... i actually lost sleep last night while mulling that over ... 
so now are u suggesting that we get paid based on how good of a person we are??? thanks for letting me know that cause if it ever comes to fruition I will need to start treating people like Peenie and menZa and the PHONY nicer no matter how foolish they are ...
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What I do care about is when they are greedy, and do things that hurt their team, and not showing up for work hurts their team
Greedy?? theres that FLAWED LOGIC thing again (I hope your putting the shoe on as we speak ... weall actually u should have the FLAWED LOGIC, CLUELESS shoe on before u open this thread .... and in case u wanna base what people make on how much they dissapoint others .. i wanna build up BIG POINTS for that one ..  ... ) .... how the hell do u know hes being greedy ..... u seen the CONTRACT DETAILS YET??? again I will bet anything u like u havent .... let me know ... 
and unlike your boy from OSU ... at ND the kids actually leave with an EDUCATION and undertand u should not go to work until U know what your getting paid ... first things first ...
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hmmmm LOGIC IMPAIRED, dolts, FOOLISH, PLAIN IGNORANT.
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Rizzo just stated on WKNR that Savage tried to call Condon 3 times yesterday and Condon was "unavailable" and never returned the calls. Unless something happened this morning, I don't see it.
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no problem .... u can put the right one on your right foot .. just do me a favor and make sure your left foot is clean or U have clean sox on it before I put that one on for U ... 
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SPIT, SPIT, SPIT Sorry bud, but you are not going to put words in my mouth  If you thought what I said ment people get paid by how they put on their pants then you need to go back to a mcguffy reader.  Sure they do, because even 7th round draft picks make more money then almost all of us. Quote:
so now are u suggesting that we get paid based on how good of a person we are???
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Greedy?? theres that FLAWED LOGIC thing again (I hope your putting the shoe on as we speak ... weall actually u should have the FLAWED LOGIC, CLUELESS shoe on before u open this thread .... and in case u wanna base what people make on how much they dissapoint others .. i wanna build up BIG POINTS for that one .. ... ) .... how the hell do u know hes being greedy ..... u seen the CONTRACT DETAILS YET??? again I will bet anything u like u havent .... let me know ...
Since your wearing the left one, I'll slip the right one back on and answer your question. NO I have not seen the contract offer. But anybody in their right mind knows it's better than last years 22nd pick in the first round got. So don't suggest they are insulting him with their offer.
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My boy Hell if he was my boy, he would have paid off my house for me already
Now since you AVOIDED answering my question to you, how about an answer. If Randy called you six weeks before next years draft and offered you the GM job for the Browns (sorry Phil) AND showed you a contract that would pay you millions. Would you jump at the chance, or would you demand more money, and holdout?
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I'm hearing this is all Condoms fault,
Now that was funny,,,,, Condom,,,, I like it
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If it is Condon's fault, it still falls onto Quinn. Condon works for Quinn, Quinn doesn't work for Brady.
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If it is Condon's fault, it still falls onto Quinn. Condon works for Quinn, Quinn doesn't work for Brady.
LOL, WHAT.. They're both at fault, and work for all three
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"1. he has MORE VALUE than the 22 slot because of what we gave up to get him ... no matter how the LOGIC IMPAIRED folks like GM wanna view it .. when u GIVE UP either the 3rd pick int he 2nd rnd or your 1st pick the following year to MOVE UP and draft someone there is an INHERIENT VALUE in that ... weather the dolts wanna see it or admit it ... (and BTW .. GM is more mad at the system and how it works than the players that have to go through it) ... to believe otherwise is FOOLISH ... "
Yes there are some Anti-BQ factions that are negatively biased...but sorry none more Biased than you and that dumb post - maybe your worst ever made specifically this #1...actually stopped reading after that.
You are WRONG. You are claiming that the #22 slot should be increased and #36 along with next years #??? in the first round should be accounted for.
Here are the facts. We gave up our #36 and next years first rounder...TO OBTAIN THE OVERALL #22 PICK on draft day. Our desire increased especially after gaining wind that the Ravens had struck a deal with the #23 slot to obtain him. Yes we paid a lot to obtain #22...thats how the draft works. But the pure fact is we OBTAINED THE #22 SLOT. That is what the slot cost us on draft day.
In your Biased view you somehow think and rationalize that we now obtained something more than the #22 slot in the 07 draft. But we didn't - pure and simple we traded for the rights to pick #22 in the 07 draft. Now you want to add what we gave up for that trade to be added and increase the slot. And you got the Balls to J'Accuse others of being Biased...lol I don't think even Condon is making such a strong case.
Yes, I think the POSITION warrants a little more than the slot. 8 mil guaranteed and where have you been the last 9 years...ITS ALL ABOUT THE GUARANTEED MONEY!!!! But 8 mil guaranteed far exceeds what 21 got by over 10% Its close to 15-20 slots more than 21 and 22.
Bowe...his agent is waiting for what Quinn signs so he can say see 22 got this we should get in line with that one slot down 
I know you LOVE the kid but really you should refrain from calling other people out on the BQ subject as Biased - cause none is more biased than you.
And if those accounts are true that we are pretty much agreed on the total $$$ of the contract just how much to be GUARANTEED that means we have back loaded it nicely to pay BQ more in his 4th n 5th year of the contract which in his speech was what he wanted to insure himself of being paid right. Now we here its about the GUARANTEED amount that 8 mil is not satisfactory.
And I repeat, in the McCracken era - just who have we ripped off? All our offers have been fair. So in you UN-BIASED thinking you think we decided to rip off BQ just for the heck of it as a new format that we are establishing???
BQ has to step in and get this done...if he leaves it up to Condon and one Fan he's going to be sitting "Patiently like Lienart".
But you know even though he's the MOST READY QB IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL he's going to make mistakes...a good share of them expecially in his first season and a little better his 2nd.
He's making a mistake cause this holdout is so rediculous and anti-Team and selfish greed - Almost ALL fans will be dis-enchanted with him and a good portion of those going to games will un-mercifully come down on him with each mistake.
To his benefit is that we have built and probably will continue to build a good OL and good talent on Offense n Defense so that we will WIN and if we Win enough games the dolts will Shut Up and let him slide. But if we continue to lose...the kid won't have a chance from the fans. And it won't be from those posting on the board...well most. Obviously those professing they never liked him won't.
But I for one like him...but he has distanced himself from me as a BROWNS fan.
Nothing would make me happier now than Frye busting out and bringing us Mega-Wins this season. And make the annointing of BQ a little more wait n see instead of rushing him in. Will it happen??? who knows but thats how I feel cause I hate Selfish Greed and I'm the Positive Guy 
But you #1 is so Rediculous its a shame you are blinded from seeing it so.
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I think the Browns used the logic in the Thomas deal that qbs always get a premium, then here they want to say a QB gets no premium.
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"then here they want to say a QB gets no premium."
I might have mis-communicated...but I stated that I think "POSITION" Qb in this case should take consideration. But where do you get off saying that we are stating that a QB gets no premium. We already are on record (from a couple of reported accounts in print) to have offered more money than the #21 slot...in guaranteed money more than 10% offered. How do come away with us saying a QB gets no premium - when we are offering considerably more already than the 21 slot. ??? 
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I do know he isn't in camp, so something is amiss.
Tell you what...I would rather pay him #10 money than not sign him.
But that is just me and I don't expect many to agree.
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If he used the same spell-checker in his reply to Randy that he uses here it won't be a problem.....Randy won't know whether he said yes or no.....
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C'mon, you know there is absolutely no danger of not signing him. He'll sign. For more money than we offered at first and more than he's worth. No matter what his supporters say. It would be nice if it was sooner rather than later. But, honestly, at this point who cares?
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Wow, that was a huge brain fart, but you know what I meant. The buck ultimately stops with Quinn.
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Not really sure that's the case Peen.. I wonder, in real life, does it matter that most everyone of the professional scouting services, Media outlets and fans, thought that Quinn was gonna go closer to the top of the draft than the bottom,, I have to believe that what all those people thought doesn't mean a thing. And if that's true, then he's the 22nd pick..... The only reason he should get more than any other 22nd pick is he's a QB and I've heard it said a million times on these boards, that QB is the MOST important of positions... So I'm one of those that think that consideration should be given to him for being a QB,, 22nd pick or not. Having said that, I don't blame Savage for trying to hold the line as much as possible... it's only been 6 days of camp so far (not counting the rookie stuff) He's missed some stuff, but I can't believe a smart kid like Quinn can't pick it up pretty quick... Will he be ready for the first game to come in as a starter? I highly doubt it. Based on everything I've read on the subject, he was a long shot before the hold out,,, So him not being here isn't helping him from that perspective. To me, some of this comes from men sitting in a room trying to prove who has the biggest XXXX Hey,, look at the bright side,,, at least once Savage and Condon have a deal, there is no John Collins around to throw a monkey wrench into the works
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*LOL* .. your a JOKE on this subject tabber ... about 5 days ago u were praising BQ and how he MUST BE GETTING INVOVLED .... then 2 days later your calling him satan ... *LOL* .. lets see witch way the wind is blowing tommorow and we'll see what u think then .. *LOL* ... and again tabber .. its a REAL SHAME that because u cant be UNBIASED doesnt mean others can't ... dont glom your FUALTS onto ME ... PS .. we OBTAINED the #22 pick int he draft for WHAT REASON????? *LOL* .. if it wasn't for BQ we wouldn't have OBTAINED IT ... but living in your ILLUSION makes u feel good .. so stay there no matter how IGNORANT IT IS ... GM ... can u send the shoes to tabber??? *LOL* .. and OH BY THE WAY ... MR. "BIASED" doesnt blame BQ or the TEAM ... because i know DIDDLY ... U on the other hand must be PRIVY to the offer on the table ... how i'm not so sure .. but appearantly U must .. *LOL* .. OH and OUR HISTORY .... did brey Hold Out????? CHECK ... did Wimbely HOD OUT???? CHECK ... did Joe HOLD OUT?? NOPE ..... is BQ holding out???? CHECK ... so were 75% on ist round hold outs .... ya ... we MUST BE BEING FAIR ... *LOL* .. and Condon has EVERY ONE OF HIS OTHER PLAYERS IN CAMP ... he also REPRESENTS A MAJORITY OF THE BIG NAMED QB'S ... his rep .. TOUGH NEGOTIATER ... but by all ACCOUNTS A FAIR ONE ... i have NO PROBLEM with how the teamis handling this since i dont have the INFO to place blame .. but OUR HISTORY is not near WHAT U PRESENT IT TO BE ... and then u must look at the HISTORY of the other side if u wanna BE FAIR (never YOUR INTENT but i'm the BIASED ONE even though I'm not taking sides .. *LOL*) .. U act like were ANGELS in this and if we were dealing with the Postons or Drew Rosenhouse .. I'd be INCLINED TO BELIEVE U .. but the FACT IS ... WERE NOT ... its pretty easy to sit in your recliner and call someone names and get all upset at them cause their "HAGGLING" over a MERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ...
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its a REAL SHAME that because u cant be UNBIASED doesnt mean others can't OH... MY... GOD.......You didn't just say that did you? C'mon, Diam, your nose is so far up Brady's ass that you can smell what he's having for dinner before he does. So stop telling anyone else that they're biased.......
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Diam not to burst your bubble but Wimbley didn't hold out bud....He actually was one of the first to sign and get in camp for the browns in awhile  Quote:
The Cleveland Browns on Saturday signed first-round draft choice Kamerion Wimbley, ensuring that the Browns will have their first-round choice in camp on time.
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OH... MY... GOD.......You didn't just say that did you? C'mon, Diam, your nose is so far up Brady's ass that you can smell what he's having for dinner before he does. So stop telling anyone else that they're biased.......
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"Tell you what...I would rather pay him #10 money than not sign him."
Can't think of a worse suggestion. Its not about getting a good QB prospect in here a.s.a.p. which I know justifies your argument maybe as a fan.
But as a Organization to do so would be on par with Suicide.
1. we would have the entire NFL angry at us.
2. We would never be able to get our Rookies in as we are setting a HORRIFIC PRECEDENT...oooo the Browns good Lets hold out for 5 times what our pick is worth...Why BQ got it. We would be inviting rediculous demands and holdouts galore from EVERY AGENT IN THE NFL!!!
For a smart guy that was a terrible suggestion...I know, I know you weren't suggesting it just that you wouldn't CARE if we did as long as we got him in.
Well sorry I do care cause this is about many years of future rookies to get signed by us as well as our PLAYERS 2nd CONTRACTS and anyone who studs out they would be staging a HOLDOUT cause their agents will strongly advise them so why? Cause we gave in to a rediculous demand in 07 to a slotted #22 pick! Peen, Peen I know most agents are lawyers and your peers but come on now...lol
BTW - Leinart did it last year and in a less degree won out...NOTICE THEIR PICK is not signed (unless I missed it cause I haven't checked in a while) but do you think it has anything to do with the precedent of the Leinart holdout?
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I didn't avoid it .. its a STUPID IRRELIVENT QUESTION ... heres one thats more relevant .... and if u wanna ask it go ahead ... hmmm ... this is gonna be fun to try and make up .. *L* .. lets see here ... hmmmmm .... hmmmmmm ... hmmmmmmm ... damm .... your question is SO IRRELIVENT and STUPID I cant come up with a scenario thats close enough to the current situation with BQ because I don't have the SKILLS HE DOES and i don't have the leverage of us GIVING UP A VERY VALUABLE ASSET ( a high draft pick) TO AQUIRE ME .... u stumped me bro .. your CLUELESSNESS STUMPED ME .. and thats not an easy task ... how many piars of the shoes are u wearing?? ahhhh .. u must have bought the matching outfit and headsets to come up with something that CLUELESS .. otto .. I may be DUMB but i aint STUPID ..... I'd call ..
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I thought it was McGruff and he was like the dog in the detective suit that told kids to read and stay cool, go to school..
At least that's what I seem to think he was...
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McGuffy was those books you read in first and second grade. The ones that taught you to read. You remember things like See Spot run, run spot run. See Jim run, run Jim run.
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see I thought it was this guy: 
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I said this earlier and it still holds true. While discussing this with Diam on PMs, there is one thing I want to point out that I could fault the FO for. They used the fact that Thomas wasn't a QB to not pay him Vince Young type money stating that Young was a QB and deserved more money. They now should pay more than the average 22 pick (and I'm not saying top 10 money or anything like that) because they have to use the same standard for the QB that they did the LT...if that makes sense.
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The point is Diam, you would jump at the chance to make enough money to live on for the rest of your life, doing a job you love. Skills be damned. One thing to remember also, is that if the Browns had not traded up to get him, he could have dropped even further, and made less money than is being offered to him now. Quote:
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I must say Diam,I disagree with you probably more than I agree. But in this case,I think you have a point. Just last week,I heard Tab talking about how Browns fans should see the "glass as half full". He is always the "eternal optimist". And there's been a LOT of times that we've NEEDED eo to play that role. It's been very helpfull in some painfull times. But in this case,he's went from "the glass is half full" to "the glass is EMPTY and we're in hell in major need of water"!!!! I don't really understand his high level of negativity in a situation that most logical people could see coming from day 1. I looked for this to be the most complicated contract negotiation of the bunch. The most likely hold out of the bunch. Now that everything I expected has come true,why would I get all up in arms and attack either side for it? Why would I rant about it and blame Quinn/Condon or Phil? It is what it is. Business. And business must be concluded before he plays. I just don't understand all of this "raw emotion" on this subject? I'm not attacking Tab,but his attitude on this subject certainly confuses me. JMHO
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I bet Diam and I would have a blast sitting in a bar, and downing a few cold ones. We might look like the guys from "Grumpy old Men"
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Man we are not out of training camp yet : And look at the board ! This is going to be a killer season !
I bet Diam and I would have a blast sitting in a bar, and downing a few cold ones. We might look like the guys from "Grumpy old Men"
Knowing the 2 of you, that's probably an apt description. LOL!
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As far as I can tell and many others above.............WE ARE offerring more than #22 money!! It just can't be rediculous. eotab is right on the $$ when he says it would hurt us long term. Phil thinks long term so he's not going to sell the farm for the horse. I say give the option around 8-9 million, salary slotted at 22 and very good incentive package to ensure he gets his jack if he becomes our starter at any time for any year as playing time incentives or something.
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I thought that was Dr. Suess ... oh wait .. he was the ham and eggs guy .. ok ..got it .. *L* ..
and there in lies the problem ... and its two fold ..
1. SINCE I dont have the skills to make that much $$$ in football and i dotn have a million dollars OF COURSE i would jump at the chance .. so that prety much makes the SKILLS BE DAMMED PART PRETTY IRRELIVENT since if BQ didnt have the SKILLS it would be an entirely MOOT POINT ...
2. he going to MAKE MILLIONS either way ... but he'd be a BOVINE ASS to not get the BEST AND FAIREST DEAL FOR HIM HE CAN ...
like Dave Stewart said after losing an abritration hearing with the A's many moons ago .. its OK, i was gonna wake up RICH or RICHER ...
BQ gonna have enough $$$$ when he signs .... now he's trying to get what him and Condon believe is FAIR ... and thats what they should be doing ...
and GM .. we didnt MOVE UP TO GET HIM to stop his fall because we felt sorry for him .. so that statement just tells me u haven't taken the shoes off yet .. *L* ...
and PS. ... the RATS had a deal in place with the Chefs to move to 23 .. so his SLIDE WAS OVER regardless ...
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