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Thanks for the Info ... i unlike alot of folks on here HATE to GIVE BAD INFO ... thanks for correcting me ... tabber ... were at 50% on round 1 HOLD OUTS .... not as PERFECT or FAIR as u make us out to be .. B .. thanks for pointing that out to me in PM's ..... 
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"then 2 days later your calling him satan ... *LOL*"
Please don't LIE to make your point...thats so beneath you but then its about BQ and you just are not a normal DIAM posting on a subject. You are too much into this kid in a biased direction it ain't funny....one from your page, Show me where I said he was "satan".
"lets see witch way the wind is blowing tommorow and we'll see what u think then"
I know I am not Biased with a pre-conceived opinion on this subject. So what you are saying is that I'm OBJECTIVE...but because I'm not on your side of the fence at the moment it has to be SLURRED upon. And yet in another post you say that you are the only one OBJECTIVE...you're making a fool of yourself with each post regarding the "BIASED/OBJECTIVE" aspect. 
"if it wasn't for BQ we wouldn't have OBTAINED IT"
What the heck does that have anything to do with the #22 slot. Why didn't we obtain him at #9? Fact is we obtained him at #22 ok it was specifically to draft Quinn that is a correct fact. So cause you stated this fact and its correct ergo the rest of your OPINION is fact? I ain't falling in that one. Nobody trades up unless its for a player they want.
Did the RAVENS pay double or triple to Boller when they traded up to what? 15 or something to get him? Show me the precedent...Leinart a #10 pick? Yeah he held out and got more...now look - Everyong from 3-13 are signed with ONE EXCEPTION. Levi Brown Arizona. How can that be everyone slotted before and after by several picks are signed - yet he's the lone blemish of unsigned there...Coincidence or maybe his agent is thinking Zona Caved in last year why not this year!
So in your love for the BROWNS and not LOVE FOR QUINN you wish us to set a precedent of caving in to rediculous demands on a slotted #22 spot for what?
Oh, Oh you got to add what we gave up to get the slot? Oh, Oh you got to account for the position. You are pulling for straws and you got the balls to say I'm not objective and you are That one set me off bro cause there is NONE NONE less objective on this subject than you!
"did Wimbely HOD OUT???? CHECK
I could be wrong but I don't think he held out. I would Re-CHECK that one???
BE...yeah a #3 pick and he as "LEON" as he is stepped in to get it done and get back in. But surely you're not comparing the position of #3 with #22 and surely you're not comparing the importance of getting a WR in compared with a QB?
Listen as you mentioned already...I'm objective, of course you can't say those words so you must insult me by saying I'm riding the fence.
If BQ steps in and insists to his agent...look get this done and get me in camp - and it happens this weekend. I'll praise the kid for Stepping in, just like I praised BE. And I think that would go a long ways with the fans to undo the negative - except with those that simply hate him cause they just do.
My ire right now with BQ is under the premise that we are at an IMPASSE not due to our offer...we have already offered well over #21 so its more than fair. But because they are looking for rediculous Guarantee money.
I don't what they are but I Guarantee we got plenty of incentives that will exccelerate the contract to double the worth...but they Condon want that in Guarantee not incentives...BQ agrees with this??? Tows the line for Weeks??? Then he is damned...not by me but by his own actions!!!
He cuts off his agent and insists on getting in camp...NOW! the kid becomes my hero. Fence riding or just maybe I'm the Objective one here
The rest of your post is simple mudslinging cause of your unbelieveable fixation with an individual. You are worse than the biggest Couchy who ever posted...it is that bad. What is worse is you don't even know it. 
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1. SINCE I dont have the skills to make that much $$$ in football and i dotn have a million dollars OF COURSE i would jump at the chance .. so that prety much makes the SKILLS BE DAMMED PART PRETTY IRRELIVENT since if BQ didnt have the SKILLS it would be an entirely MOOT POINT ...
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They used the fact that Thomas wasn't a QB to not pay him Vince Young type money stating that Young was a QB and deserved more money.
Coach,, I'm missing something here,, how do you or diam know that this is a true statement,,, was it printed somewhere or what... I just don't remember this at all..... 
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see I thought it was this guy:
LOL, Someone should put Bengal stripes on the Orange "Crime" and put it into a poster board and bring it to the game against the Bengals. 
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They used the fact that Thomas wasn't a QB to not pay him Vince Young type money stating that Young was a QB and deserved more money.
Coach,, I'm missing something here,, how do you or diam know that this is a true statement,,, was it printed somewhere or what... I just don't remember this at all.....
It was posted here before. I don't know if it had a valid link or not. If I find it I'll post it.
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Cleveland general manager Phil Savage told the Plain Dealer on Sunday. "It's not a pretty picture in terms of trying to negotiate an offensive lineman versus a quarterback and two top-echelon receivers who were thought to be by many to be the top players in their draft.''
http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/202544
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Oh yeah, I seem to remember reading that now.. Thanks Pdawg,,, appreciate the link..
I have another question, what part of that article was untrue? I mean, it should be relatively common knowledge that you probably aren't going to pay a Lineman the same as you would a QB or WR at the 3rd pick,,, that actually seems to make sense to me..
And, if we can all agree that a #22 pick would seem to be worth more if he's a QB versus another position then why is it that somehow those indicators suddenly seem to show that Savage is using that against Quinn,,,
What I guess I'm asking here is, how do we KNOW that Savage is looking at it that way?
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And, if we can all agree that a #22 pick would seem to be worth more if he's a QB versus another position then why is it that somehow those indicators suddenly seem to show that Savage is using that against Quinn
how do we KNOW that Savage is looking at it that way?
are u looking for an answer other than because Opie's an INTELLIGENT MAN and has been through this before???? .... OF COURSE OPIE is giving him more merit because he is a QB ...there is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND ABOUT THAT ...
and there is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND Opie is giving BQ more because of what we gave up to give him .. contrary to what tabber would have us believe ...
the PROBLEM is that BQ/Condon think those things are WORTH MORE than Opie does .... as it should be .. and now their in the proccess of finding a middle ground and comint to an agreement .... some on here just cant handle that part and feel the need to place blame cause their EMOTIONS get in the way ...
and the problem with this ENTIRE THING is as follows .. and i'll even let u say it ...
why is it that somehow those indicators suddenly seem to show
what indicators are those???????? the ones that say BQ wants top 10 $$$$ .. WHERE THEY GETTING THAT FROM??
the indicators that say that WERE BEING FAIR AND OFFERING A FAIR CONTRACT??? well where are they getting that from????????
I mean look at just what was posted today ...
SOURCE 1 .... were getting close and he should be signed and in camp by tommorow ...
SOURCE 2 .... Condon wont return our calls ... how can a deal get done if were not talking????
*LOL* .... NO ONE KNOWS SQUAT ....
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Ummmm............I think that has been everyone whole point......we don't really know now do we? However, I can totally agree that BQ COULD get it done in second but so far chooses not to. Same with Phil. Phil however has an entire organization and other teams to think about on this deal and BQ has only himself.
Me? I am not worked up about it. Pit was right whoever didn't see this coming wasn't looking.
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First off, try not to worry about what I'm looking for in an answer... if I ask a question then I simply need or want an answer,,, Not much more to it than that really.. Here is the complete quote on indicators: Quote:
And, if we can all agree that a #22 pick would seem to be worth more if he's a QB versus another position then why is it that somehow those indicators suddenly seem to show that Savage is using that against Quinn,,,
I can see now how that might be misunderstood. Let me try another way.
What I would like to know is what has happened or been said or been reported that gives anyone the indication that Savage intends to use the reverse argument to get Quinn Cheaper,,, in other words, instead of saying what most on here seem to agree on, which is that dispite Quinns selection at #22, he should be paid more than a NON-QB picked at that same spot in previous years?
What gives people the impression that Savage gonna or has done that?
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you just are not a normal DIAM posting on a subject.
"normal diam" ..would u care to enlighten everyone what that is??? *L* ..
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Please don't LIE to make your point...thats so beneath you but then its about BQ and you just are not a normal DIAM posting on a subject. You are too much into this kid in a biased direction it ain't funny....one from your page, Show me where I said he was "satan".
Oh please ... quit being such a drama queen .... u never said he was satan ... there u feel better now??? *L* .. your dissapointed in him... your not looking favorable on him ... u now want Frye to suceed your so upset with him ...
Ya tabber ... u didnt call him satan but u may as well have ... *LOL* ..
Lie???? *LOL* .. u GLOM your faults on me yet I'm LYING ... OK ..
and tab ... u MENTIONED me a few times in a VERY NEGATIVE LIGHT in responses to others before i started responding to U .. so if u dont want me to respond in kind .. LEAVE ME OUT NEXT TIME .... but u of all people oughta know if u start with me .. i aint going to just take it lying down ..
your fired the first bulletS and now your claiming the "who me" defense ... *LOL* ,...
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I know I am not Biased with a pre-conceived opinion on this subject. So what you are saying is that I'm OBJECTIVE...but because I'm not on your side of the fence at the moment it has to be SLURRED upon.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!! it has to be SLURRED UPON because your relying on reports that are based on BULLCRAP to begin with ... U nor the FOLKS MAKING ANY OF THESE REPORTS HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT THE ACTUAL OFFER IS AND WHAT THE SNAGS ARE ... NONE .....
and i made the point about u PRAISING BQ one day for getting involved when that was based on BULLCRAP REPORTS that a deal was immenient and coming REAL SOON that we had NO CLUE IF THERE IS ANY TRUTH TO THEM AT ALL .. I laughed at u then and thought .. wow .. he actually believes this crap .... then a MERE TWO DAYS LATER your painting BQ in an entirely DIFFERENT LIGHT based on MORE BULLCRAP REPORTS .....
my point .. the REPORTS ARE CRAP .... bird cage liner .... yet your BELIEVING them like their the gospel and riding a HUGE EMOTIONAL ROLLER COASTER based on them ... and dotn tell me thats not true .. cause u went from PRAISING BQ to SLAMMING HIM as a greedy jerk (paraphrasing here your hiness) ... in a mere two days ...
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And yet in another post you say that you are the only one OBJECTIVE...you're making a fool of yourself with each post regarding the "BIASED/OBJECTIVE" aspect.
cause i'm the only one of being accused of not being objective .. DUHH ... *LOL* ..
look tabber ... i have said from day 1 on this board and have NEVER SLAMMED any of our ROOKIE holdouts or any ROOKIE HOLDOUT throughout the NFL .. this has been my stance for ABOUT A DECADE ...
yet now I;m am being BIASED because i wont SLAM BQ like u and others because I DONT KNOW THE FACTS?????
hmmmmm ... tht sounds fair and CONSISTENT .... hes had the same view for A DECDADE .... yet now i think i'll call him biased even though hes NOT CHANGING HIS VIEW FROM THE PAST ....
that dont pass the smell test real good tabber ... *LOL* ..
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Cause Miami wanted to much to drop 25 spots .... thats my guess anyhow ... Dallas only had to drop 12 spots .. ALOT LESS COSTLY ... thats my take anyhow ... is that BIASED ALSO??? *L* ..
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What the heck does that have anything to do with the #22 slot. Why didn't we obtain him at #9? Fact is we obtained him at #22 ok it was specifically to draft Quinn that is a correct fact. So cause you stated this fact and its correct ergo the rest of your OPINION is fact? I ain't falling in that one. Nobody trades up unless its for a player they want.
huh??? u asked and answered ... your PROBLEM IS .... u dotn want to admit that CREATES AN INHERIENT VALUE for him ... no clue why thats so hard to see ... but appearantly your new found dislike if BQ has jaded u more than i thought ..  ....
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Did the RAVENS pay double or triple to Boller when they traded up to what? 15 or something to get him? Show me the precedent
No clue .. what am i your secratary??? do it yourself ... i dont need to PROVE DIDDLY TO U ... who do u think u are???? sheesh ...
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Leinart a #10 pick? Yeah he held out and got more...now look - Everyong from 3-13 are signed with ONE EXCEPTION. Levi Brown Arizona. How can that be everyone slotted before and after by several picks are signed - yet he's the lone blemish of unsigned there...Coincidence or maybe his agent is thinking Zona Caved in last year why not this year!
*LOL* .. OK .. ya .. i;m sure Levi is holding out cause Matt did ...  ... and u said I'm amking a fool of myself ... *LOL* ... thats classic .... your REACHING HERE BRO ...
so based on this .. zona will NEVER SIGN ANOTHER FIRST RND PICK before a LONG ASS HOLDOUT because of Lienart???? *LOL* .... sound pretty foolish to me .....
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So in your love for the BROWNS and not LOVE FOR QUINN you wish us to set a precedent of caving in to rediculous demands on a slotted #22 spot for what?
1. I LOVE the Browns and have for MY ENTIRE LIFE ....
2. I am THRILLED we have BQ who I think will be a GREAT NFL QB and help the TEAM I LOVED FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE turn it around ...
3. I am also THRILLED we have BQ because i have ENJOYED watchign play for the last 4 years ..... although the first two were real hard to enjoy anything related to my domers ...
MY ENTIRE LIFE IS LONGER THAN 2 YEARS .....
4. my stance on UNSIGNED ROOKS has NOT CHANGED IN the last decade .... so to appease U i should change that for BULLCRAP REPORTS?? naa ... i dont think so bro ...
5. i DO NOT WANT THE BROWNS TO CAVE TO STUPID DEMANDS NOW OR EVER .... I just dotn know that the demands are dumb .. UNLIKE u I dont hang on every word reported by the press ...
and thats the problem .. U here Mort say top 10 $$$ and THINK THATS WHAT HES ASKING FOR .... and thats SAD ... cauSe Mort has NO CLUE ... none ...
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That one set me off bro cause there is NONE NONE less objective on this subject than you!
dont glom your faults on to me ... and dont forget i have LOVED THE BROWNS my ENTIRE LIFE ... only knew BQ existed 5 years ago ... but ya .. i LOVE him more now ...
and again .. i MUST REITARATE for the umteenth time .. i have said the same thing for 10 YEARS ABOUT ROOKIE HOLDOUTS .. YET NOW u feel the need to think its about my love for BQ ... gee . i wonder why that is .. *L* ..
and PS .. i do not blame the BROWNS ... BIG DEFFERENCE between us right there ...
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My ire right now with BQ is under the premise that we are at an IMPASSE not due to our offer...we have already offered well over #21 so its more than fair. But because they are looking for rediculous Guarantee money.
I don't what they are but I Guarantee we got plenty of incentives that will exccelerate the contract to double the worth...but they Condon want that in Guarantee not incentives...BQ agrees with this??? Tows the line for Weeks??? Then he is damned...not by me but by his own actions!!!
ALOT OF SPECULATION on your part there my friend ... and SELF ADMITTED SPECUALTION at that ... that pretty much sums the entire thing up right there and tells u what u need to know ....
it'll get done bro ... and hopefully sooner as opposed to later ... and when it does ... your BIASED OPTOMISTIC old self will be back ... talk to u then bud ...
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First off, try not to worry about what I'm looking for in an answer... if I ask a question then I simply need or want an answer,,, Not much more to it than that really..
OK Mac ... *LOL* ... next time u go on a tirade about not telling other posters how to post .. introduce yourself as the pot or the kettle ...
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What gives people the impression that Savage gonna or has done that?
I have no clue ... i think its MORE SPECUALATION spurred by coach from hid taking what i said in PM's one step further than I intended it to go coupled with Opie saying that the negotiations with Joe would be hard based on the $$$ vince got at 3 last year and BE got at 3 the year before ... Joe';s agent would want the "standard" slotting raise for the 3 spot without regard to the position an Opie pretty much said .. thats not gonna happen and i;m gonna have a hard time convincing Joes agent of that ...
so then B took those two statements one step further and extencedthem to BQ's situation .. it was just B SPECUALTING ... and i BLEIEVE that was his thought process .. but i could be WRONG AGAIN ... and if i am .. B isnt shy .. he will let me know .. 
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No, you're not wrong. I was speculating based on Savage's comments about Joe's contract and our conversation. Now, I'm am shy, you just haven't seen that side
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BQ COULD get it done in second but so far chooses not to. Same with Phil. Phil however has an entire organization and other teams to think about on this deal and BQ has only himself.
Is this just a statement of fact or are you using this to defend one or the other.. not sure but it sounds like you are using it to support Phil... It's just that this statement could be used to defend or to blame either...
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WOW, did you ever take that wrong,,, All I was trying to point out is that I ask what I want to know,, I don't have hidden agendas,,
But nope,, you gotta take it the wrong way,,,, Geez diam,, I keep trying to be cool with you and no matter what I do or say, you construe it to mean something I don't mean..
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I have no clue ...
Honestly, neither do I..... That's what was bothering me... So it's someone speculation that's causing an uproar? Yikes, that's sad
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i MISUNDERSTOOD it ... and theres a good reason for that ... in your lst 5 - 10 posts directed my way either to me or referencing me in responses to someone else .. you;ve reffered to me in a VERY NEAGATIVE light ... I believe KING OF ARROGANCE was one of the nicer things u said about me ..*LOL* .. so can u see why i may have MISUNDERSTOOD??? .. its hard to change directions that fast ... SLAM SLAM SLAM BIGGER SLAM ETC .... then NICE .... see what i mean???  and i'm fine with U slamming me .. i DESERVE it ... but it will make me see what u say to me in a different light ... plus i thought it was funny as hell ... *L* .. and as I type this i am *LMAO* as i like to laugh .. and i do alot of that on here .. trust me Daman .. i dont take myself near as serious as most on here think i do ....
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I think if people took you as seriously as you do, or don't I guess, they'd be able to get past it and realize you are saying things in more of a joking, take a shot at a buddy while having a beer kind of way. That would help alot. Unfortunately, you can't see people's expressions or hear their tones and people think you are just being a jerk. You ARE a jerk, but not like comes accross on here.
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Oh, Come on Diam...we all know you're a blowhard
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[i MISUNDERSTOOD it ... and theres a good reason for that ... in your lst 5 - 10 posts directed my way either to me or referencing me in responses to someone else .. you;ve reffered to me in a VERY NEAGATIVE light ...
Would you rather he reffered to you as "LOGIC IMPAIRED, dolts, FOOLISH, PLAIN IGNORANT."
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does anyone have any info on the supposed rumors that quinn could now be traded?
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I hope we trade him, so we can get a first round pick and get a player with some actual TALENT.
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You're a "lot nicer jerk" in person!
But then again,I resemble that remark.
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i've seen a few rumormill items and just little tidbits on other message boards, so I am not sure what's going on. i'd like to see him in camp so he can learn, but at the same time, i know there are sackriders out there who wanna see him start game 1, which i don't really want unless he is HANDS DOWN the best qb in camjp
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Since I am coming in late on this debate...and since there seems to be much more emotion playing out than new ground being discussed...ler's see what we have here.
Brown's give up the 4th pick in Round 2 of this draft and the First Round pick next year to take the 22nd pick of Round 1 in 2007-2008. Dallas wins we lose value but believe it is a worthwhile choice.
We overpay for a choice to take a QB that the F.O. believes will guide us to the promised land when developed. Why not wait and take Beck or another highly regarded QB.
Because[I remember Sister DelaRosa telling us NEVER to begin a sentence with because] Brady Quinn is from the area,a Notre Dame grad, handsome and able to produce merchandise sales for all.
But can he play???? Charlie Weis from NOTRE DAME says YES! So we pull the trigger. We hope that BQ can play, we hope he can sell, we hope he is a great representative and matinee idol for those who want that.
Condon and BQ know all of this...that the Cleveland Browns are betting the WHOLE FARM AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY on this kid being a Kosar type winner.
The Brown's F.O. has painted themselves into a corner and the sales weasel agent, Condon, knows this and is playing it right. He believes that the #22 pick in this draft is worth a lot more than the 21st,20th,19th------15th picks because we overplayed the hand when we traded way up for him.
BQ will get paid more than he normally should as a 22nd pick. Savage will eventually give BQ pick 10-15 guarantees and he knows that....
If the other teams are upset about breaking the slotting payout structure....who the Hell cares? We dealt the cards now play them as best as possible and recoup some of the extra money given away! I don't recall any sympathy cards from our division rivals when they beat our azzes 6 out of 6 last year.
Pay him...coach him....drive him and utilize him with protection...he is the future of the franchise.
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Personally,, I think we are all learning impaired
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There is no way he gets traded. Period. I would bet large sums of cash on this......
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Oh, Come on Diam...we all know you're a blowhard
At least Quinn does
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and theres a good reason for that ... in your lst 5 - 10 posts directed my way either to me or referencing me in responses to someone else .. you;ve reffered to me in a VERY NEAGATIVE light
Hey,, you started it... Look around at posts of mine where I respond to people,,,, Take Mac as an example,, I wasn't the least bit upset with him until he told me that it was none of my business to worry about Quinns contract.. Not once, bur several times before I got ticked off.
Here'e the thing, I know it really isn't my business,, but this is a discussion board,,
So instead of discussing it, he decided it was none of my business,,.,, Well hell, I didn't need him to tell me that, but it seems he needed me to remind him of the discussion aspect of this board,,
And as for you,, I have no idea where you are coming from,, maybe your just joking around,,, I have no clue. But remember, writing like you talk doesn't work. you have to use some common sense on these boards..
Look at GM and I. Never a harsh word (unless you count that time he tricked into pulling his finger and I had to spend 3 days in Intensive Care)
Yet we banter back and forth.. It's because when he writes something, I can see his face (shudder) and I recognize he's kidding and just yanking my chain.
You and I have never met and perhaps if we did, nothing you say would bother me and visa versa... Who knows...
So,, one way to settle this is for you to come to camp Sunday.... I'll be there if My plane gets in on time from Boston... we can meet and one of two things will happen,,, either we become friends,,, Or we make you stand in a closed room with GM while he pulls his finger repeatedly.
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So he holds out for bigger "guaranteed" money,....where is OUR guarantee that he produces ??
I'm about to let the spolied Dublin, Notre Dame brat walk. 22 is 22; get your can to camp.
Edwards and Winslow held out longer, would you let them walk too?
I pointed this out maybe in this thread but its exactly right... he hasnt even been out a week and this was expected.
Well, for the sake of the discussion, what has either of those two produced, comparing where they were drafted vs. Quinn...?
Pretty much nothing, so far. You got your shot, you got picked, GO TO WORK !!
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General reply: I had forgotten about this, I wonder if this could be a hangup in negotiations...
In many interviews, Savage talks about how he had a note on his fridge saying "3 - Thomas, 7 - Quinn, 36 - Wright."
I wonder if the fact that Savage was willing to trade up to #7 at least has SOME part in the hangup.
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I just heard on the ESPN radio 850 AM that apparently Condon is on vacation and has not been returning any phone calls from the browns. Now if this is true why is Quinn being so stupid and lettin this guy do all of this.
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BTW - Leinart did it last year and in a less degree won out...NOTICE THEIR PICK is not signed (unless I missed it cause I haven't checked in a while) but do you think it has anything to do with the precedent of the Leinart holdout?
No. I think it has to do with the team not offering up a fair contract.
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from pft (NOT A RUMOR)...
What part of it's a rumor don't you understand
You say it's not a rumor, then you link to a post in the rumor mill. ANY post from the rumor mill are not allowed to be posted on this board.
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If it's true that Condon is on vacation I'd be TICKED if I was Savage... and Quinn for that matter.
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