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During an interview with Nathan Zegura, Dorsey listed his top 5 most important positions as:

1. QB
2. Pass rusher
3. Corner
4. LT
5. WR

There has been a lot of debate between Barkley and Fitzpatrick, but what if it is neither?

The positions he mentioned are all passing game related, so I don't think it precludes drafting those two. Barkley is a weapon in the passing game (does have some drops) and Minkah is a ballhawk (not necessarily a lock down corner). However, I think we might be being a little myopic.

They are good players, and they would fill needs. But, are they the most important positions?

I need to dig in more to Denzel Ward. Antonio Brown torches us twice a year.

I like Ogbah, but he only had 4 sacks last year. Corner play, or lack thereof, probably contributed to that, but I don't remember many great pass rush moves. We could use more of a 3rd down fastball and he could reduce inside. Are Chubb/Davenport/Landry in play?

he said those are the most important positions.

he didn't say those were the priority positions for this draft.

we have 2 good pass rushers.
i doubt we draft a WR in the first round
Corner/FS is definitely in play
QB is definitely in play
LT is a ?

Crow is as good as gone (I believe) so a power back is a definite in my books.

i agree. which is why i wouldn't be surprised if we draft Barkley. people have these golden rules for RB, but sometimes guys like Zeke and Gurley and Fournette come along, and they are so game changing that you would be stupid to pass up on them.

especially since once again, word on the street is that these teams feel none of the QB's have separated themselves from one-another.

And, Barkley's combine added to his college tape and stats are just too good to ignore.

Elliot, Bell, Gurley, Fournette are very valuable to their teams. If you have your QB already, Barclay is a no brainer. I also want Fitzpatrict. I would package our 3 #2s to move back into the 1st for him. We need impact players, NOW. Not trading down and aquiring picks for next year. Lets trade up for quality.

We have a billion posts/threads about Barkley and Fitzpatrick. Could we possibly use this thread to look at other players?

What do we do if we take a QB at 1 and Barkley and Fitzpatrick go 2-3?

I like this question.

With the assumption we draft either Darnold, Rosen, or Allen. Top 3 QB's in my opinion. Then Barkley goes 2 and Fitzpatrick goes 3 who would I draft at 4. I see 3 players I would target there.

#1 - Joshua Jackson. Top corner in draft. Would improve the secondary. Hopefully become a lock down corner in a year or two.

#2 - Mike McGlinchey. Top tackle in the draft. Future replacement for Joe when he hangs it up. Could play RT and solidify an outstanding Oline for our new QB to develop behind.

#3 - Calvin Ridley. With Josh Gordon as our #1 this kid and his route running ability and hands would be a dynamic #2. Also, is insurance if/when Gordon falls again. This position must have talent for a yound QB to thrive. If Gordon slips up again and Coleman gets hurt again whoever is QB will again be placed in an unwinnable situation. Ridley is talented and insurance for the WR position.

Chubb, Bradley

#4 Chubb - BPA, Bookend to Garrett, instant pass rush.

or...

#5 Trade the pick to someone willing to give up the farm for the second best QB in the draft.

We don't have ONE good pass rusher,we have a guy with potential.If we had two good pass rushers,we would not have had to blitz damned near every down.And even at that,we got very little pressure.
A good pass rusher is definitely a need

Something that we don't consider as fans, but a GM has to factor into his selections, is what happens at the end of a rookie contract. Assuming (big assumption) all our 1st round picks stud out, in 4-5 years we are going to have to pay big bucks to keep the team together. A team can afford 4-5 big contracts and still be able to keep the other team members. One of those big contracts will be a QB. Another will be Garrett. That leaves only 2-3 more big contracts before you have to start choosing between 1 player or 2-3.

I know as fans, the idea of Garrett/Chubb bookends is very enticing, as a GM, how much can you invest in 1 position group? Can you keep a good team balance if 2 of your 4-5 big contracts are in the DL?

Ok....I'd take Chubb at 1 or 4.

Chubb or a trade down. Theoretically if Barkley and Fitz go 2&3, that four spot will be worth a lot. The second QB. There's a lot of teams that might want it, and they might we willing to give up a whole lot.


I'd prefer something like the Jets or the Broncos. No matter what, I'd need a lot of value to walk away from Chubb though.

That guy is gonna be a stud and would be a great compliment to our D-Line. Ogbah, Chubb, and Garrett. That would be a fearsome rotation. Come the fourth quarter, they'd all be fresh, it would be a nightmare for opposing teams (especially if they are down and have to make plays via the air)

I would try to trade down or take Chubb after crying about how stupid we were not to take the next adrian peterson.

I have considered it and it was one of the reasons why I declared Sashi's plan was bound to fail. It wasn't as big as the constant losing and the resulting blame game or even creating holes when you already have a ton of holes, but having so many contracts come up at the same time is an issue.

Dangle the 4 pick and see who offers what.

Yeah vers I hear you, I only hope we get to that point where we have to make decisions based on the cap and productivity, as opposed to trading or cutting former 1st round picks cuz they suck.

Wouldn't Edmunds be a good fit for us at 4?

I think he's a much better fit than Chubb and Fitz...

We lack quality linebackers...

Imho i think 4 is much to rich for Edmunds. He's a physical specimen hybrid player with crazy potential but imho he's nowhere near the pass rusher that Chubb is right now. And if Edmunds turns out to be 43 OLB then 4 is too high for me to take 43 OLB....but the i see the flip side because if Edmunds maxes out he could be special.

I get what you are saying, but not for the Browns who have MG... I actually think Edmunds is the perfect fit for our D. Instant presence on he inside and a outside pass rush if needed...

I also think our linebackers are average...Edmunds would make a real difference...

People have no problems wanting to draft Fitz at 4 to play FS... I would rather have Edmunds to be honest at 4 than Fitz has a FS...

While Edmunds has good potential as a pass rusher he didn’t really show that. He was an off-ball linebacker. I think he’s a natural “mike” or strong side OLB. Would be a great fit as a ILB in a 3-4.


He’s one of my favorite players in this draft, I think he can play any LB position you want him to and be very good at any of them. Don’t know how high he ends up going but the kid is an athletic freak.

I am all in on Barkely, like you said, its not coincidence that Dallas stunk when zeke was out, or that gurley and fournette seemingly transformed their teams in a short span.

Like Garrett last year, sometimes, you get a freak of nature that you cant pass up on, I think he is one.

PLUS we still have a great shot of getting our QB at 4.

Let me fix your last statement. We have a great shot of getting the leftovers at the QB position at #4. Just like we have done what seems like forever now and has helped get us to exactly where we are now.

Let me fix your statement, if its the guy you rate out higher, its not leftovers

we don't know who they will rate as the best QB or the guy they want to take. Its a given that the four top QBs are Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen.....

WE ASSUME Darnold and Rosen are 1-2, but what if Mayfield or Allen are their guys? Both of them will most likely be thee at 4.

Me personally, I think Rosen and Darnold are 1a and 1b. I cant really say which I think is going to be the better pick. So I am ok with either one, and we would still have a very good chance at getting one of them as well at 4.

You may be okay with either one, but I highly doubt that's how an NFL FO handles selecting a QB at the top of the draft. No matter which QB they choose, you're allowing three teams to pick above you if you don't take your QB at #1. You're allowing yourself to sit there at the mercy of other teams.

That's not an answer. That's the same thing we've been doing that's gotten us exactly where we are now.

Agree. Even though we can sit here and say the top 3-4 quarterbacks seem interchangeable, I'm sure Dorsey already has a favorite or has already eliminated someone. So while we say eh, one of the 3 will pan out, I'm sure Dorsey feels he doesn't want to risk losing "his guy."

And in my own opinion, we would be able to win with a lesser RB. But I'm not so sure you can with a lesser QB.

I know we don't agree on everything, but I am 100% with you on this.

Agree with your post. I feel we have to take the QB at #1 that JD feels is the best. Then at #4 take the best player that is left. It could be any one of SB, MF, Chubb or whomever JD feels is the best player. QB should be the priority.

Or trade up with the Giants

You are also assuming that Dorseys Qb is in the draft.

For all we know, he covets a FA. Lets face it, we still don't know much about Dorsey. its all hearsay at this point -

We hae a team that is better on Def than we are on offense. That is a fact. A running game and a def can make up for a average qb. So I would not be surprised at all if Barkely at 1 - Do we take a qb at 1, probably. I am saying barkely is a possibility and I would not be upset if it happened.

Whomever at 1 & Barkley at 2

What do we have to give up to move from #4 to #2?

According to those in "the know":

1. Barkley
4. Mayfield

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/repor...2018-nfl-draft/

We have to start winning from the start.. Hue is on borrowed time, so..

Saquan will the 1st, AJ will be the QB,, and we will take a QB to sit...

Its the less risky plan and also the best one IMHO.

Define best because what you are describing is a team whose peak is 9-7 year in and year out.

Just take the best QB @ 1. Missing out on Barkley isn't nearly as big a deal as missing on YOUR QB would be. Did we not learn anything from Sashi?

My main issue with Sachi wasn't he missing the QB, but missing the franchise players... Zeke, Bosa, DW...

Our O with Saquan + Gordon + a viable QB will be good enough.

Average/good OL, 2 threats in Saquan and Gordon, 2 viable TE's, Colemon to stretch the field.

On D, IMHO, we are a FS and a CB to be average/good which we can address via draft and FA.

We also need, IMHO, another CB and a MLB to become a good D, and a LT/RT on O

We need a running game from the start, Saquan will provide that better than any.

Hue has no time and has to start winning... rookie QB is immaterial at this stage.

In this scenario I would not be so sure that Denver wouldn't trade up to 3 to get in front of us to draft Baker.

Whether it's Baker or Rosen or Darnold, take him at 1. If you miss out on Barkley at 4, no biggie, you got your QB. That's far more important.

I think the Denver threat will be solved once FA starts...

Cousins, Foles, Keenum or Eli

If Denver signs Keenum, they will still draft a QB at 5. Elway understands the importance of having a quarterback.