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Maybe the Browns should send those guys to the negotiations.

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Ask'em......There all ears......

We've got to keep Quinn away from the cameras. He's providing the Stooler fans with so much fodder. Admittedly, this one did make me chuckle.

Just clicking...

Seems like the same people crucifying Quinn are the same people who crucified the holdouts in '03 and '04 when they were being forced to sign 5 year deals (NOT JUST 1ST ROUNDERS, I'm talking the whole team where 3 and 4 year deals are standard).

People took the side of the FO when in the end it became obvious that our FO was COMPLETELY wrong.

That doesn't mean the anti-holdout people are completely wrong though, afterall I'm a little frustrated, but it'll all work itself out before long. Just sit back and chill.

The only problem I really have with Quinn or any other holdout is they expect to get mega bucks for sitting on the bench their first year, because they don't know the offense, the speed, or the timing, and it was their fault. At least for the most part.
There should be a clause in the negotiations that if the player signs on time and is able to contribute the first day first week first month etc, then there would be an "escalation" in his contract. Otherwise, we are paying large dollars for them to sit on the bench, hold the clipboard, go for gatoraid and smile pretty at the camera.

I like to know "all the facts about a game" before I start betting on it.

But that's just me.

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If one was to take away all of the BS posts in this thread like this one and the stupid pic that stabber posted, it would only be about 3 pages long.....

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Shep, it's Friday. Have a beer and laugh for once.

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Shep, it's Friday. Have a beer and laugh for once.

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"if i had a beer for every bad post on here, i'd still be sober...not that there aren't a lot of bad posts, but i'd be too busy posting about bad posts to drink all that beer..."

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And you want to make sure you do it right and you want to make sure you put yourself in a situation where you can support your family."

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It always erks me when professional athletes talk about having to support their family... like the league minimum is 6 figures... I think the majority of people in the United States could support their family on 6 figures...

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People are mildly upset now. In another week they will start to get genuinely pissed. Another week after that and he better hope he's better than Diam claims he is or he's gonna hear his name paired with words he didn't learn at ND.

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If he holds out two more weeks he has no chance of starting this year IMO.

Maybe they're upset at his tribute to Kordell...

I have seen that too.

It is pretty funny even if it is smack against us.

By TOM WITHERS, AP sports Writer
August 3, 2007

BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Brady Quinn fell in the NFL draft. Now he's falling out of favor with the Cleveland Browns.

The rookie quarterback's contract holdout dragged into its second week on Friday as Quinn missed his eighth day of training camp with no end in sight. For now, he's in Arizona working out while negotiations continue.

Meanwhile, Browns general manager Phil Savage expressed disappointment at not being able to finalize a deal with agent Tom Condon. Savage said he "talked briefly" with Quinn's representatives on Friday, but didn't seem optimistic about a contract being completed anytime soon.

Quinn had been projected as a top 10 pick, but when he slipped deeper into the first round, the Browns traded a 2008 first-round pick to Dallas and selected the former Notre Dame quarterback at No. 22.

The Browns don't think Quinn should be paid more money than the 22nd pick deserves. Their argument is that Quinn was taken where he was for a reason and that they shouldn't have to pay a premium for him.

"If you're not going to rank the players one through 22, or one through 32, then there's no reason to have a draft," Savage said. "We should just have free agency for college players. The draft is the structure that was set up so that there would be some order to it.

"Fifty years from now when they look into the history books of the Cleveland Browns, it is going to say, Brady Quinn, 22nd pick of the first round."

Savage was asked if he was frustrated.

"This isn't about fireworks," he said. "It's about facts."

Condon and the Browns are hung up over increases in the fourth and fifth years of a potential deal as well as playing time incentives.

Savage feels the Browns have made several fair proposals since May, and it's time for Condon to make some concessions.

"We have some flexibility," he said. "We've got to have some flexibility from the other side to get a deal done. It's to try to meet somewhere in the middle, where both parties can agree -- to sometimes disagree -- but get it done. That's where we are."

Savage pointed to the Browns' track record over his 2 1/2 years as GM. The club has extended contracts, signed free agents and the Browns gave offensive tackle Joe Thomas -- the No. 3 overall pick -- more guaranteed money ($23 million) than any other rookie offensive lineman in NFL history.

Savage said the club also "bent" in talks to sign rookie cornerback Eric Wright in time for the start of camp.

"It makes no sense whatsoever," Savage said, "that all of the sudden, when we pick a quarterback in the first round at the 22nd spot, that we would all of the sudden change gears and say this is the face of the franchise potentially, this is our No. 1 quarterback for the future and now we're going to slap him around with a lowball contract.

"It is totally illogical and that's not what we've done, nor will we."

Condon could not be reached for comment.

Quinn was expected to compete with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson for Cleveland's starting job. However, coach Romeo Crennel, who has coldly referred to Quinn as "the quarterback" and not by name during the holdout, has indicated the competition is a two-man race between Frye and Anderson.

"He's pretty far behind," Crennel said. "We have a lot of offense and we're putting it in every day. It takes awhile to get this down and get caught up on it."

Quinn also missed the team's four-day rookie orientation program before camp opened.

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I really am not liking Quinn.

I wanted Thomas in the draft and got him. I figured getting Quinn at #22 would pay off.

I am really getting sick of Quinn and this contract BS. This guy thinks he can talk his BS and think we the fans are stupid and buy into his BS. I remember him saying there is no pressure on him. The pressure is on his agent and the Browns to get him in camp on time. He let's his agent do his job and stays out of it. He only plays football. He must think we are stupid. He was always a talker during his college years, he was a talker before the draft trying to convince everyone that he is the best NFL ready quarterback in the nation, that he should win the Heisman, and now this contract crap. He's never to blame for anything. It seems to be a pattern that he the best "talker" in the game. He's use to being in the spotlight from the Notre Dame program and has gotten use to slinging crap to the media building himselft up and now is trying to convince everyone that the pressure is on his agent and the Browns to get him in camp....he is not to be accountable for not being signed. He really thinks he can get over on everyone with his charisma and words. Frankly, I am sorry that we ever drafted this "talker". Sorry to be a downer and I know alot of people might disagree with how I feel but I can't help but feel how I do. I also don't believe he was a Browns fan either. I think he was a niner fan and montana fan so he went to Notre Dame like Joe Montana did. Anyways, I'm just frustrated because he talks better than he plays.

Remember way back when there were pics of Quinn in his Bernie's jersey?? Oh how times have changed..

I for one am sick of this. Quinn needs to pic up the phone and tell his agent to get him into camp asap. If this continues Quinn will have a tough time getting the fans back on his side..

Right now he seems like a spoiled little brat..

The Browns didn't pay Thomas Vince Young money because they say QBs get a premium....now they say qbs don't get a premium.

I think the team is blowing it big time and tainting the very player that they are going to have to pin their hopes on.

Phil...that comment about if teams didn't rank players, there shouldn't even be a draft, is about as goofy a comment I have ever heard from a GM.

He's holding out for one thing: guaranteed up front money, and no one can dispute that. Here's why:

He is guaranteed 1 contract - we all know that. His concern is, if he's a bust, that's the only contract he'll get. Let's face it, if he's great, he can elect to "re-negotiate" his contract at his option. In other words, he signs today for "x", he's great, the Browns are at his mercy in year 3 or 4 regardless of the contract that was signed. He just holds out again until it's renogiated.

The opposite is also true......He signs for "x", he sucks for the first 3 or 4 years - and bam, he's out of the league.

He's holding out for upfront money, guaranteed money - no 2 ways about it. He is faced with a business decision, as are the Browns. Problem is, I can guarantee that the Browns are more than willing to put incentive clauses in his contract - he's just not willing to go for it without the upfront money.

I'm getting tired of this guy.

And I hope he knows that the longer he holds out, and the higher his pay if and when he does sign, the more that will be expected of him, and sooner rather than later.

Think you got game Brady? You have dug a hole already, in the eyes of Browns fans. And by holding out (we all know you want the big guarantee up front) you are still digging. You will come to the team with things expected of you. You better "man up" and deliver. Brady, you are setting the expectations from fans higher than you can imagine - and at this point, you won't make it in Cleveland with the expectations you have forced on yourself.

At least be man enough to admit the whole holdup is the guaranteed money - cause we all know it.

The article in another thread indicated it wasn't the money portion up front....it was the escalators in year 4-5.

I say if, and that's a big if because we don't really know, the browns have done their part, then just sit back and let Condon call, quit chasing, at this point, he's too far behind to catch up and be of much use especially if he misses all of next week.

I predict a Quinn signing very shortly to divert attention away from the Ryan Tucker fiasco.

' Peen,
I was going to post this in the "Timing is key" thread but did not want it to become another Brady thread.
From my observation, you, Diam, and Ammo seem to be the most ardent Brady Backers. How do you see the installation of the play clock and use of the game action playcalling affecting Brady's chances of even seeing the field this year?

Personally I can not see him ever getting a start now unless both Charlie and Dereck get severly injured. My reasoning is that; 1) he missed Rookie orientation, 2) he missed the installation of the offense, 3) he is now missing the timing and gelling week before the Pre-Season opener, and (Possibly most importantly) 4) Romeo, who is the decider as to "who" play's, does not seem real pleased with him and the situation.

I know this is only my own supposition, but he does not seem to have a lot going in his favor for seeing the field this year other than pre-draft hype. I am just curious on you, Ammo, or Diam's take on this.

Savage has to worry about a Salary Cap.

Condon has to worry about impressing future clients.

Quinn has to worry about how he's going to spend his first million, then his second million, then his third million, then his forth million, etc.


Condon could care less about the Browns.
It's pretty obvious Quinn doesn't care about the Browns, he cares about his $$$. 8 million guaranteed, Not enough for this player who has proven nothing at the NFL level.

I'm sure Savage is ripping off Brady Quinn. Savage said we picked you #22. Here's a #22 contract. yadda, yadda, yadda. Then Savage said, okay I'll move a little closer to your side, here's #20 money. Man Savage, you are not being fair.

I bet #20 money isn't good enough for the #22 pick in the 2007 draft.

Savage is the only one of these 3 that cares about the Browns future. Stay the course Savage, Condon and Quinn will have to cave or Quinn will never get paid.

Are you honestly going to tell me Quinn doesn't care about the future of the organization? That is crap and we both know it.

Look for an article tomorrow by Mary Kay Cabot. She talked with Condon and mentioned she knew the figures but was asked not to tell. She will explain what the problem is.

I think he should play for nothing just so he can say he plays for the Browns. Better yet, maybe his parents can offset some of the costs we have spent on him so far with the plane tickets and hotel bills.Get real... he IS a professional now and has an agent to work the deal. He's young and doesn't know any better. I suspect he will come to his senses real soon and tell CONDOM to take the best offer. In the mean time, let's not burn the kid at the stake....... There are many other holdouts across the league, not just our one.

You know, I hope the Browns don't compromise anymore. I'm not even so mad at Quinn, as I think Condon needs a kick in the arse.

He's trying to show next year's class how good he is. I have no doubt that this deal is fair right now. I hope that Condon ends up looking like an greedy jerk that really hurt his client, because that's what he is. Be nice to see Brady fire him, too, after totally screwing his chances to play this year.

Now that I think about it, the Browns should offer him a 30 million dollar incentive payable if he wins the starting job by game one.

The problem I'm seeing here is that Condon is, or is seeming to be made out to be blowing this off and playing hard ball. I have heard about the Browns not dealing directly with Condon. Condon needs to go to Cleveland and sit down. If a contract isn't signed, at least his best effort was made. It sounds like the FO is making theirs, but we all know it takes 2 to tango. How are you going to find a happy medium if the one side isn't seeming to be making much of an effort?

Hmm till brady starts helping us win football games, couldn't care less who/what he does. He is like Paris Hilton to me until he shows some real value