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AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT THE DEEP STATE & SHADOW GOVERNMENT
KALEE BROWN JUNE 21, 2017
If you’re familiar with CE’s content, you may have noticed that we frequently refer to the shadow government, the deep state, the cabal, the Illuminati, and the elite. We often use these words synonymously, though some of these terms have slightly different meanings.
If you’re unfamiliar with the true meanings of these terms, then this article is for you! This article will examine what the shadow government is, what people and which companies fall within it, and how they gained so much control over the U.S. government and society in general.
What Do “Shadow Government” and “Deep State” Mean?
Shadow government and deep state are both political terms in a sense, as they’re used to define the groups of people who control the U.S. government. I’m not referring to the people within political parties that perceivably control the system — not the Presidents or Congress — but the individuals and the companies who control the government and influence policies and decisions.
The very definition of the shadow government lies within the term itself; it’s the real government entity that hides within the shadows, making all of the important decisions in secret. Their political agenda and true motives are completely hidden from the public. These aren’t the people you see on mainstream media, nor are they the people you vote for; they’re the individuals who lurk in the shadows, which is precisely how they’re able to maintain control over the population, feeding the illusion of democracy.
The term deep state refers to “a state within a state,” a group of people who have so much control inside of a state that they don’t actually have to abide by the same laws, largely because they’re the ones creating them. The deep state can even include elements of the government, including the Pentagon, which has acted immune to many laws. Up until this year, for instance, they had never been audited, despite the fact that this is illegal and an astounding $10 trillion in tax payer money had gone completely unaccounted for since 1996.
According to an in-depth report by journalist Mike Lofgren:
The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street.
Numerous politicians have publicly discussed the people who secretly control the U.S. political system, and are creating laws and bending them.
As John F. Hylan, former Mayor of New York City, explained:
The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation . . . The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties . . . [and] control the majority of the newspapers and magazines in this country. They use the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of office public officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government. It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection. (source)(source)
Senator Daniel K. Inouye, a high ranking Asian-American politician, has also stated:
“There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself.” (source)
Theodore Roosevelt, former President of the United States, stated:
Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people. From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare they have become the tools of corrupt interests, which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of the day. (source)
When former President Eisenhower coined the term “Military Industrial Complex,” his main concern was the potential for the “disastrous rise of misplaced power.” After him, former President John F Kennedy (JFK) warned citizens that we are living in “a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.” He went on to state that “its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumour is printed, no secret is revealed.”
Even before both of these two, former U.S. President Woodrow Wilson revealed:
Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. (source)
The following video from THRIVE Movement, a documentary created by the heir to Proctor & Gamble, Foster Gamble, perfectly explains how this system works:
Who Is a Part of the Shadow Government and the Deep State?
Since the shadow government and the deep state are fairly broad terms to define the people and the corporations that control the government, they include a lot of people and a lot of corporations.
To begin, the shadow government includes billionaire families like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. The Rothschilds became very wealthy in the 1700s off the banking system, and then spread out all over Europe, gaining more power through other industries. The family also has strategic marital times to big names such as Du Pont, Hilton, and Guinness. However, the Rothschilds are most well-known for their control over the American Federal Reserve Bank, though they own countless big banks all over the world. Check out this CE article to further understand how big banks actually work and gain control over society. Link to Article
The Rockefellers have their hands in practically every industry, including banking, health, oil, food, and more. Over a century ago, the Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations began to alter university medical curricula to reflect a greater focus on pharmaceuticals so they could increase their profits. They put their money into drug-based research and made that the main focus of modern day healthcare.
Since then, the Rockefellers and banking elite have been able to control and profit from the drug industry. The AMA, the largest association of physicians in the U.S., enforces the drug-treatment paradigm by heavily lobbying Congress and publishing one of the most influential journals, JAMA, which is largely funded by pharmaceutical advertisers.
Mainstream media networks are owned by fewer than five multinational corporations, and all of these corporations have ties to the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. The Rockefellers were also involved in the creation of the United Nations (UN), which you can read more about in our CE article here. This may not raise red flags to those who aren’t familiar with the Rockefeller family, but consider this: The UN was created in 1945 as a result of World War 2. In practically every global conflict, something is created out of that conflict to give the illusion that whatever is created will solve it. Have you ever thought that the people who created the conflict are doing so so they can propose the solution in order to manipulate the population and gain further power?
George Soros is another key member of the shadow government, disguised as a philanthropic billionaire. His donations seem heartfelt and meaningful, but if you look a little closer, you’ll realize that every donation he makes has an ulterior motive behind it, helping to secure his control over the political landscape and in turn profit from it. Similar to the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, he has secured his political control all over the U.S. and in other places like Europe and holds many strategic investments, including in the DNC and in organizations that support the DNC. You can read more about George Soros in our CE articles here and here.
Many large corporations fall into the shadow government as well. SONY is one of these corporations, as the CIA and the government have strong ties to the movie industry. In a statement made last year, Wikileaks wrote: “The Sony Archives show that behind the scenes this is an influential corporation, with ties to the White House (there are almost 100 US government email addresses in the archive), with an ability to impact laws and policies, and with connections to the US military-industrial complex.” You can read more about that in our CE article here.
The list of corporations that could be seen as members of the shadow government goes on and on: Exxon Mobil, Monsanto, Big Pharma companies, Corrections Corporations of America, Wall Street (Goldman Sachs, etc.), American Bail Coalition, other big oil corporations, big players in the factory farming industry, and more. Corporate members of the deep state or the Military Industrial Complex include big military contractors like Lockheed Martin. According to William Hartung, the Director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy, contractors will “periodically intervene to try to stop practices that would make them more accountable.”
How They Influence Legislation and Gain Control Over the Government
It’s clear that corporations have a strong hold on government regulations; why else would chemicals be put in our food and the environment? Even the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has strong ties to oil companies, despite the fact that they’re supposedly the government agency that protects the environment (learn more here ).
The simple answer to this question: money, the promise to gain more control over the population, and lobbying efforts. The shadow government can manipulate, or in some cases, create legislation through either close ties to politicians or even organizations like the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).
ALEC is a conservative group comprised of state legislators and corporate leaders that allows corporations to help write, or in some cases, just hand over legislation that the “official lawmakers” can then take credit for and formally propose. ALEC has been responsible for numerous immoral bills including those that aim to lower minimum wage, suppress voter rights, pro-gun laws, ag-gag (animal cruelty) bills, and more.
The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) conducted research into ALEC’s funding while looking into Exxon Mobil and the company’s wrongdoings regarding climate change denial. CMD found that 98% of ALEC’s funding comes from private sources other than state legislators. This means that ALEC is basically entirely funded by global corporations, including Exxon Mobil.
Political satirist John Oliver explains this in detail below:
ALEC has played a crucial role in influencing laws surrounding gun control, the prison system, voting laws, environmental policies, animal cruelty laws, minimum wage, and more. ALEC-backed legislation is not created “for the people,” but rather, designed so corporations can increase their profits and create loop holes so they don’t get in trouble with the law. You can read more about ALEC in our CE article here.
There are tons of other examples of corporations influencing the government outside of ALEC as well. One court case addressed the EPA’s ties to Monsanto, bending laws and lying about the environmental and health issues involved with the company’s products (GMOs, herbicide Round Up, etc.). You can read more about that here. Big Pharma is another industry with close ties to the government. Even though it’s illegal for Big Pharma to advertise drugs in other countries, it’s completely legal in North America. The advertisements are often misleading, overstating the benefits and completely omitting the risks or potential side effects (or simply putting them in tiny, illegible letters). Although the FDA has stepped in multiple times, sending pharmaceutical companies warning letters or even forcing them to take down their ads because they are false, misleading, and/or exaggerate the effects of their drugs, this is still an ongoing issue ( [url=urce]source[/url] ).
Lobbying expenditures by the pharmaceutical industry have been increasing every year and hit an all-time high of $273 million in 2009. This money is then used to influence lawmakers and politicians to shape pending legislature. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association conducted by a team from Yale University found that one in three FDA-approved pharmaceutical drugs have safety issues. Big Pharma pressured the FDA to speed up their drug approval process, and this is what happened as a result. You can read more about that here.
The U.S. government also holds strong ties to the meat and dairy industries. The government has helped food providers become more dairy-based, and implemented milk education into school programs. Check out this video that elaborates on the government’s ties to the dairy industry here.
The USDA has heavy ties to many advertisements and campaigns encouraging consumers to purchase meat. The U.S. government spends $38 billion annually to subsidize the meat and dairy industries, in comparison to only 0.04% of that on fruits and vegetables. If the government didn’t benefit from meat and dairy sales, our recommended intake of animal products would look significantly different.
Instead, the USDA Food Guide Pyramid states you should eat 2-3 servings of milk, yogurt, and cheese, despite the fact that only 75% of people can actually digest milk properly, as well as 2-3 servings of meat, poultry, fish, dry beans, eggs, and nuts per day. What the food guide doesn’t mention is that numerous studies have proven that meat and dairy consumption can cause cancer, heart disease, obesity, and many more health complications.
Lastly, another crucial way the deep state gains control over the public and the government is through false-flag terrorism. Yes, the government is involved with the creation of these terrorist attacks and the infiltration of other countries, but it’s not just the U.S. government that profits off war and terror.
False-flag terrorism is the idea that a government would stage a terrorist attack in a country (even their own) in order to justify war and the infiltration of a foreign country for their own purposes (whether that be for money, oil, etc.). It’s also used to heighten a state of fear and security within their own country, and in order to do so, they need a villain. For example, in the case of 9/11 it was Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
As former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook explains:
The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism.
In essence, war and chaos are profitable businesses, and they’ve been used by the shadow government and the deep state for many years to not only take over nations, but to control the masses using fear as well. War is often just a collaborative effort between powerful individuals to play out big picture plans through creating conflict and justifying war. Then, when this heightened fear state occurs in society, people don’t question terrorist bills and surveillance because they’re implemented in the name of “national security.”
“I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.”
– General Smedley Butler, one of the highest ranking generals in American history
The subject of war and terror also relates to the New World Order, as this is often the overarching goal when it comes to the U.S. invading other countries or the elite creating chaos and terror in other countries.
The New World Order is the supposed goal of a handful of global elitists who are pushing for a one world government and a heightened national security state. This group, often referred to as the cabal/the shadow government/the deep state/the elite, has been using foreign threats to heighten security, strip us of our rights, and invade other countries. The entire world is practically covered with U.S. military bases and big banks owned by the Rothschilds, with the exception of only a few countries.
Why This Is Important Information
Many news organizations and people refuse to discuss the shadow government and the deep state, whether’s that’s because they fear the negativity surrounding the subject or because they’re owned and funded by these groups of people.
Amber Lyon is a three-time Emmy award winning journalist at CNN who went on record stating that mainstream media outlets are routinely paid by the U.S. government as well as by foreign governments to selectively report and manipulate information on specific events. She has also admitted that the U.S. government has editorial control over mainstream media content.
This isn’t anything new; the CIA’s Operation MOCKINGBIRD is the government program referring to its interest and relations with mainstream media. MOCKINGBIRD stemmed from the CIA’s forerunner, the Office for Strategic Services (OSS, 1942-47), which, during World War II, created a working relationship with journalists and psychological warfare experts operating primarily in the European theatre.
It’s clear that the truth has been hidden from us for a long time, but it’s crucial that we don’t perceive this information as “scary,” but rather as empowering. If we fear the shadow government and refuse to discuss them, then we’re feeding into their perpetual control over the system. However, if we shed light on this subject and explain to others how our political system actually works, then real, sustainable change can actually occur. Democracy only gives you the illusion of freedom and “human rights,” because only without an overarching, elite-serving government could you truly have these things.
THE DEEP STATE INSTITUTIONS THAT CONTROL AMERICA – THEY DON’T CARE WHO YOU VOTE FOR
ARJUN WALIAJUNE 1, 2017
The Deep State refers to a coordinated effort by career government employees and others to influence state policy without regard for democratically elected leadership.
“Democracy is popular because of the illusion of choice and participation it provides, but when you live in a society in which most people’s knowledge of the world extends as far as sports, sitcoms, reality shows, and celebrity gossip, democracy becomes a very dangerous idea. Until people are properly educated and informed, instead of indoctrinated to be ignorant mindless consumers, democracy is nothing more than a clever tool used by the ruling class to subjugate the rest of of us.”
– Gavin Nascimento
When Eisenhower coined the term “Military Industrial Complex,” his main concern was the potential for the “disastrous rise of misplaced power.” After him, John F Kennedy (JFK) warned the citizenry that we are living in “a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.” He went on to state that “its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.”
Before both of these two, 28th President of the United States Woodrow Wilson revealed:
Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. (source)
Perhaps one of the most revealing statements from modern history by a president comes from the 26th president of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, when he explained how little people know of how government really operates:
Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people.
From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare, they have become the tools of corrupt interests which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day. (source)
What these presidents did, as many others have done, is reveal the existence of a government within the government that has infiltrated the United States. To see some similar quotes as the ones above, you can refer to this article we published a couple of years ago.
It’s no secret that government policy is largely dictated by corporations, and the financial institutions that sit above them. We no longer live in a democracy, but rather, a “corporatocracy.” This is easy to see if you simply follow the money.
“As difficult as it was for me, I’ve come to an inescapable and profoundly disturbing conclusion. I believe that an elite group of people and the corporations they run have gained control over not just our energy, food supply, education, and healthcare, but over virtually every aspect of our lives; and they do it by controlling the world of finance. Not by creating more value, but by actually controlling the source of money.”
– Foster Gamble
Below is a great clip from the Thrive documentary that explains the modern day banking industry perfectly.
The Deep State
The military industrial complex, the Deep State, those who the presidents above are referring to, is comprised of a small group of people and the corporations/institutions they run. It has been this way for many years, as so many presidential candidates, like Dr. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders, have exposed. This organized power completely controls politics, and they do not care who you vote for.
Regardless of who is elected president, this hidden power has an agenda, and they use politics to justify it. Just look at the destabilization of the Middle East.
Our perception of politicians and presidents largely comes from mainstream media, not our ability to think critically about what is going on. If mainstream media praises a candidate, like Hillary Clinton, that’s who the masses prefer. Their power to influence the minds of the masses is tremendous.
Despite the fact that Donald Trump has been vilified, he’s actually taken more action against this powerful group of elite and their interests than most, but it’s hard for people to see this because these corporations (who own the mainstream media, incidentally) continue to slander him — not that he hasn’t made it easy for them.
1. The Terror War Industry
One great example is the terror war industry, and the presence of a supposed “Islamic Threat.” This perceived threat is maintained through false flag terrorism, a concept that even the mainstream has acknowledged, particularly since multiple politicians and academics have revealed it to the world. Vladimir Putin, for example, recently said the attack in Syria was a false flag, and the globate elite use “imaginary” and “mythical” threats to push forth their agenda.
He, along with many others, also called out the United States and their allies for funding terrorists organizations. In his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, Donald Trump did the same.
The term “terror war industry” comes from FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, who referenced it during an appearance on RT news. She is a former FBI translator and the founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC). She gained a lot of attention in 2002 after she accused a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving Turkish nationals, which included serious security breaches and cover-ups, alluding to intelligence that was deliberately suppressed.
The Deep State institutions involved with this would be the arms industry and the oil industry, among others.
2. The Federal Reserve
The federal reserve is a privately owned central bank system in the United States disguised as a government owned system.
“The federal reserve is an independent agency and that means basically that, there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.”
– Alan Greenspan, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve (source)
Henry Ford said that, “It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
No matter who you vote for, the banking system doesn’t change. These people have the ability to print money in a way that keeps them protected, and bleeds everybody else dry. As the quote above from Alan Greenspan illustrates, it’s an independent agency that can make decisions no other branches of government can oppose. The people that control the money control the government, and the presidency. If an institution like the federal reserve isn’t considered a deep state institution, I don’t know what is.
Every four years we look to somebody to spark change, but perhaps that whole process is meant to distract us. Perhaps we are looking in the wrong places.
3. The Military Industrial Complex
Former Republican U.S. congressional aide Mike Lofgren, who retired in 2011 after 28 years as a congressional staffer, defines the Deep State as follows:
It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street.
The military industrial complex is huge, and full of private contractors, intelligence agencies, and other defence agencies that have, just as Eisenhower warned us, amassed a great deal of power. The crazy thing about it is, nobody knows what’s going on in here, not even the President. If the President and the United States Congress doesn’t even have access to this information, just ask yourself, who does?
We’re talking about Special Access Programs (SAPs), in which we have unacknowledged and waived SAPs. These programs do not exist publicly, but they do indeed exist. They are better known as “Deep Black programs.” A 1997 US Senate report described them as “so sensitive that they are exempt from standard reporting requirements to the Congress.” Welcome to the world of secrecy. You can read more about the Black Budget in detail here.
These programs don’t change, regardless of who you vote for. These are the institutions, agencies, and ongoing programs that are above the law, beyond scrutiny, and operating in near total secrecy.
Business Insider reports that the U.S. intelligence community consists of 17 discreet agencies that operate with enormous budgets and incredible secrecy, bringing total surveillance and total information awareness to bear on the people of Earth.
The United States has a history of government agencies existing in secret for years. The National Security Agency (NSA) was founded in 1952, its existence was hidden until the mid 1960’s. Even more secretive is the National Reconnaissance Office, which was founded in 1960 but remained completely secret for 30 years.
If Voting Doesn’t Make A Difference, What Will?
“This is the way the system works, it’s a rotten system, and I see elections as so much of a charade. So much deceit goes on. . . . whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat president, the people who want to keep the status quo seems to have their finger in the pot and can control things. They just get so nervous so, if they have an independent thinker out there, whether it’s Sanders, or Trump, or Ron Paul, they’re going to be very desperate to try to change things. . . . More people are discovering that the system is all rigged, and that voting is just pacification for the voters and it really doesn’t count.”
– Dr. Ron Paul, three time presidential candidate (source)
Voting is simply the illusion of choice. As former New York City Mayor John F. Hylan stated:
The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation . . . The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties. . . . (source)(source)
These Deep State institutions have been in place for a long time, and remain in place regardless of who votes. So what changes things? Let’s take a look at some examples. Take Genetically Modified Foods, for instance, an issue for which activism and awareness alone have created groundbreaking change. One example would be the fact that a federal lawsuit forced the U.S. government to share disturbing facts about genetically engineered foods. You can read more about that here.
As a result, a number of countries have since completely banned GMOs and the pesticides that go with them. This is where change comes from: us, not them. If we constantly look to one person, who is usually part of the “1 percent,” to make significant changes, nothing will ever change. Politics seems like one big distraction, a place for powerful people to play games with the population and keep our attention. It’s become more of an entertainment platform as opposed to a real platform for change.
But there is a massive shift in consciousness occurring. The veil that blinds the masses in so many ways is becoming transparent. Our thoughts and feelings about our world are changing, and as a result, we are beginning to manifest a new world. We are definitely living in a time where new information and evidence will conflict with long-held belief systems
Seeing through this Deep State and the institutions that really call the shots is a key step. We must create more awareness of these issues and speak up about them instead of just giving all of our power over to one individual, hoping that they can make some sort of change for us. We have to do it
i seriously, seriously tried to give this thread a chance and read through everything you posted.
but something stuck out to me that was hilariously flawed:
Quote:
Despite the fact that Donald Trump has been vilified, he’s actually taken more action against this powerful group of elite and their interests than most, but it’s hard for people to see this because these corporations (who own the mainstream media, incidentally) continue to slander him — not that he hasn’t made it easy for them.
you really gonna roll with that, after Trump just finished saying this?
Trump says maybe US will have a president for life someday
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump says he thinks it's great that China's president now holds that office for life and muses that maybe the U.S. will do the same someday.
Trump's remarks were met with laughter and applause during a luncheon for Republican donors Saturday at his South Florida estate. CNN said it obtained a recording of the remarks.
Chinese President Xi Jinping recently consolidated power. Trump told the gathering: "He's now president for life. President for life. And he's great." Trump added, "I think it's great. Maybe we'll give that a shot someday."
Trump criticized his Democratic presidential opponent Hillary Clinton, repeated his view about "a rigged system," and called the Iraq invasion "the single worst decision ever made." He referred to former President George W. Bush as "another real genius."
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and this is the problem when discussing anything about a "deep state".
how did i know your articles was gonna try to put Trump in a positive light? especially when this man literally wishes he was a dictator every single day?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And combine that with all the other dictator like comments he’s made, of course you and others always try to chalk it up to “he’s just joking”.
It’s funny watching people claim that there’s a deep state, when if there was, it’s because trump IS the deep state.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The guy that was recently involved with a reality show and wrestling is part of the deep state. It might be time for you to start a consprivacy website with a pod cast. You could be the next Alex Jones type whacko.
Last night was the Grid Iron dinner, where presidents are rosated by and roast the press. His joke you referenced came from a political donor meeting right before that.
The OP is spot on....the garbage tgat the masses fight over line abortion, gay rights, transgender-ism, church and state, net neutrality etc is just houdini-ism to keep your eyes of the real prize.
You mean like his “jokes”about Hillary after one of the debates? Where he was actually serious and made everyone uncomfortable?
Excuse after excuse after excuse.
So let’s recap:
He’s in support of no term limits. He wants to take your guns without due process He’s mad that he cant get the DoJ to do what he wants He wanted to jail his political opponents He supported a blockade of Qatar after one of Kush gods deals fell through He fires people investigating him. Being a draft dodger, wants to have a military parade, but more in honor of himself.
All facts.
Certainly sounds like a dictator to me
Lemme guess Erik. He was joking on all of them, right?
I’m sure I missed some other crap he’s said and suggested.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i seriously, seriously tried to give this thread a chance and read through everything you posted.
Clearly you didn't. I'm not a Trump supporter. This isn't about politics. Wake up.
I commented on the article clearly trying to defend trump.
Clearly you didn’t read the post. Nor your own article you posted.
Sad, very sad.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You mean like his “jokes”about Hillary after one of the debates? Where he was actually serious and made everyone uncomfortable?
Please take this somewhere else like to one of the million political bickering threads already going. This has nothing to do with that. You clearly miss the point.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
i seriously, seriously tried to give this thread a chance and read through everything you posted.
Clearly you didn't. I'm not a Trump supporter. This isn't about politics. Wake up.
I commented on the article clearly trying to defend trump.
Clearly you didn’t read the post. Nor your own article you posted.
Sad, very sad.
I read it. It's simply a POV on one facet of a Trump position. You're so clearly indoctrinated in your own belief system you can't see anything else. That's what's sad. If we can't question our own beliefs or investigate where those beliefs come from we're simply sheep regurgitating dogma.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
You mean like his “jokes”about Hillary after one of the debates? Where he was actually serious and made everyone uncomfortable?
Please take this somewhere else like to one of the million political bickering threads already going. This has nothing to do with that. You clearly miss the point.
No, I clearly didn’t.
There’s a huge difference between some corporations/organizations trying to gain influence over an actual deep state.
In both articles, by their own logic, there has been a deep state since recorded history. That would mean that we never lived in a time where there wasn’t a deep state.
These two articles you posted attempted to give trump, the GOP, and conservatives more credence in their idea of a deep state by using wishy washy facts and misleading information in order to appeal to readers like...
These authors attempted to change the narrative of what a deep state is. The second article explicitly mentions trump, which is odd because the way he and others use the term deep state is nowhere near how these authors are now trying to spin it.
I didn’t miss the point, I just completely disagree with it. Not the same thing homeboy.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i seriously, seriously tried to give this thread a chance and read through everything you posted.
Clearly you didn't. I'm not a Trump supporter. This isn't about politics. Wake up.
I commented on the article clearly trying to defend trump.
Clearly you didn’t read the post. Nor your own article you posted.
Sad, very sad.
I read it. It's simply a POV on one facet of a Trump position. You're so clearly indoctrinated in your own belief system you can't see anything else. That's what's sad. If we can't question our own beliefs or investigate where those beliefs come from we're simply sheep regurgitating dogma.
False. There’s a line between questing your own beliefs, and believing the spin somebody is trying to put on it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And I clearly keep saying “these two articles”and nowhere did I say “caldawg” is a trump supporter.
Unless of course you are. We’ve seen a bunch of people claim they weren’t before.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm not your homeboy, you don't know me so you can stow that deal. What exactly are you disagreeing with? Take the Trump equation out if it makes you feel better. I've already stated I'm not a Trump supporter, that bipartisan politics has nothing to do with anything. If you don't agree there is a deep state, that we're being manipulated, poisoned by big pharmacy, murdered through senseless wars, divided by polarizing politics, just say so and move on. Interesting though given your Sig.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
I could easily take trump out of the equation and make the same argument, although I wonder why, seeing as him and people around him are the ones who made the term insanely popular in the first place.
You understand that right? Rhetorical.
Guys like Alex Jones we’re always the ones using the term deep state. And now our own president is using it? Please don’t act like there’s no connection.
And btw, I have repeatedly argued about the military Industrial Complex, Big pharma, stupid wars over and over and over again on this board. So you’ve demonstrated you either don’t come here often, or only read what you want to read around here.
But those things aren’t the same as a deep state. These organizations/oligarchs don’t operatenin the shadows. They don’t have to. A deep state implies nobody knows about it until it’s a massive surprise to everyone.
When the government got caught experimenting with syphillis on blacks, that’s a deep state.
Nixon and watergate, that’s a deep state.
Contractors lobbying for more money for arms and weapons development? That’s business as usual.
Big pharma trying to keep weed illegal while they shoot up drug prices? Again, business as usual.
War? Have you ever read a history book? We’ve gone to war as humans just because some dude got caught smashing the wrong chick. We are an inherently violent species OVERALL, which isn’t based on ethnicity, but just human nature.
The way these two authors use the term deepstate is misleading. So I’ve laid out my points, and if you don’t want your articles challenged on a public forum, then don’t post them.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Now that's better. Its true, I don't come here often. I found the first article interesting in the sense that it summed the subject matter up nicely. I added the second article because it made the point that bipartisan politics don't matter. I almost didn't because I knew liberal outrage would glom onto the Trump reference but hoped folks would intelligently discuss the bigger picture instead of turning it into yet another pissing match. I have no problem having the articles challenged, junior, just stay on point.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
I’ve always stayed on point. You just got triggered when I pointed out the obvious, buddy.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Thanks for the post Cal. Unfortunately I think this article relies on alot of feel good rationale to make the deep state connections. Take the EPA/oil deep state claim. It's just as easy to make the connection that Pruitt his positioning himself to profit from his position. And individuals leaking information or working to secure their own power is not a deep state.
Additionally , digging into the collective evolution website reveals positions that are sketchy at best...
And individuals leaking information or working to secure their own power is not a deep state.
It is if there's collusion, control, and agendadized conspiracy.
I agree there is a lot of fringe journalism on the site but I don't think that undercuts the validity of the article, or the POV presented by it. When you have former presidents, senators, generals, and mayors speaking to and concerned with the issue it lends credence. When you have misconduct like trillions missing in military funding and wilful public harm like perpetuated poisioning by big pharma simply for the sake of profits (to name just two) at the very least you have to wonder, how and why is it allowed to continue? Regardless of what you believe its clear there is something very wrong here.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Swish, do you realize that in your first post you used Trumps name 8 times? Both of those long ass articles combined only mentioned his name 3 times and only 1 of those was of any consequence..... and that's what you commented on.
Did you see anything else in the article worth commenting on or if an article says anything positive at all about Trump then the whole article is BS?
Swish, do you realize that in your first post you used Trumps name 8 times? Both of those long ass articles combined only mentioned his name 3 times and only 1 of those was of any consequence..... and that's what you commented on.
Did you see anything else in the article worth commenting on or if an article says anything positive at all about Trump then the whole article is BS?
perhaps you should continue reading the thread.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Swish, do you realize that in your first post you used Trumps name 8 times? Both of those long ass articles combined only mentioned his name 3 times and only 1 of those was of any consequence..... and that's what you commented on.
Did you see anything else in the article worth commenting on or if an article says anything positive at all about Trump then the whole article is BS?
perhaps you should continue reading the thread.
Where is the fun in that?
I just read your elaboration on the "deep state"... and I tend to agree with you. Much of what we see is more out in the open, in your face, screw you because you can't do anything about it corruption than it is about some "deep state"...
And individuals leaking information or working to secure their own power is not a deep state.
It is if there's collusion, control, and agendadized conspiracy.
As I said, an individual on their own is not a deep state. For a conspiracy to work you need a group. The reason this distinction is important is because the individuals named in your article have valid purposes and simpler purposes (see Occams Razor) that satisfy their actions, rather than it having to be part of a conspiracy. Just because you have a group of individuals or a group of companies working to secure power and money, does not mean they must be working together. Nothing in the article above provided a smoking gun that demonstrated a link between these individuals and a shadow government. If you have something specific in there, please feel free to point it out, maybe I missed it.
Originally Posted By: CalDawg
I agree there is a lot of fringe journalism on the site but I don't think that undercuts the validity of the article, or the POV presented by it. When you have former presidents, senators, generals, and mayors speaking to and concerned with the issue it lends credence. When you have misconduct like trillions missing in military funding and wilful public harm like perpetuated poisioning by big pharma simply for the sake of profits (to name just two) at the very least you have to wonder, how and why is it allowed to continue? Regardless of what you believe its clear there is something very wrong here.
The website is nothing BUT fringe journalism. Just on the first page of todays Collective Evolution:
I think there's no problem with being open minded. But don't be so open minded your brain falls out. I'm not seeing real evidence presented in the article. We have organizations and groups ostensibly contained inside this massive "shadow government", but no evidence into who runs this organization, or what is their stated purpose. What we have here is a 3,000 word article that is simply begging the question. They assume that a deep state exists and are presenting evidence on that basis to further "strengthen" their argument. However, with no smoking gun into the existence of this organization, this is a waste of characters.
That is not to say that there isn't some small truths in the article presented. That is what the author relies on to attract you. Present some truths, some verified information, in an effort to solidify the premise without having to provide actual evidence of the premise. The closest the author came to solidifying the premise (in my opinion) was quotes from politicians, but that presents circular reasoning, as these politicians did not provide their own evidence either, but expect us to take their statement as fact, and therefore strengthen the authors statements to the same level. Don't fall for it.
I appreciate your attempt to logically debunk the notion of a Deep State, Shadow Government, NWO, whatever anyone wants to call it. And admittedly I find a lot of the theories postulated around it to be far fetched if not unfounded or useless. But the truth is, I don't know. I know we're lied to. I know things are rarely as they seem. I know if you follow the money you find the head of the snake. I know nobody here knows for sure.
Here's where my head's at:
The military industrial intelligence community is out of control with trillions in unaccounted for spending. Black ops like drugs for guns and by extension the poisoning of (initially) our inner cities with floods of cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl, which is clearly criminal yet sanctioned by factions within this complex.
False flag operations enacted during WWII through Vietnam, the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan, Syria and so on designed to instill fear, foster fevered patriotism, and divide the populace are steady and ongoing perpetrated solely for the purpose of propping up a false economic need for weapons of war.
We live in a divided America, the divide ever widening caused by the extremist rantings of a populace enslaved by a two party system which ensures control by the powerful elite regardless of party, where laws and policy are dictated by corporate and military interests championed by special interest and lobbying groups for the sole purpose of profit.
We are literally at the mercy of industries like Big Pharma, Healthcare, and Big Finance where government sanctioned deregulation has resulted in little or no checks and balances, no accountability except to stockholders which has resulted in a system where profit is the only motivation. The results are over-prescription, over-pricing, over-lending, and other misuses and abuse which results in death, destructions, bankruptcy and loss of home and livelihood, but ensures that profit margins and stock prices keep rising.
We receive most of our perceived "news" through party affiliated mainstream media owned by conglomerates, controlled by whatever arm of government or industry which needs to be controlling at the time, and delivers pablum filled with half-truths, misinformation, disinformation, mis-directions, and outright falsehoods, if deigning to report at all.
The corporate conglomerate controlled entertainment industry is agendized to formulate popular opinion based on whichever current agenda promoted at any given time.
Our food is manipulated, poisoned, drugged and genetically altered.
Our public education system has eroded to the point of uselessness.
Our rights are continually eroded.
We're not safe in our homes, let alone our cars, schools, or streets. And criminals and killers aren't the only culprits. We live in a police state, we just don't know it yet, or won't admit it.
These are just a few of the issues at large. As a society, we've been broken down. We're sick. We fight. We hate. Our freedoms are disappearing before our eyes. We try to carve out our niche and live our lives as happily as we can, and ignore what we can't see ourselves dealing with. We anesthetize our thoughts, feelings and emotions through manipulative entertainment, pop culture, drugs, booze, food, shopping, expensive toys, and sex.
So when you write something like:
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As I said, an individual on their own is not a deep state. For a conspiracy to work you need a group. The reason this distinction is important is because the individuals named in your article have valid purposes and simpler purposes (see Occams Razor) that satisfy their actions, rather than it having to be part of a conspiracy. Just because you have a group of individuals or a group of companies working to secure power and money, does not mean they must be working together.
I have to ask, how do these individuals or group of companies become empowered to do this?
I didn't post this to argue, or fight, or postulate crackpot theories. We, the people, have a f-ing problem. And even though I know I have a limited time on the planet, I find it frightening as hell because very few seem to care. Very few even seem willing to rationally discuss the fact. It's easy to lump it in a bundle, bury our heads in the sand, and brand it lunatic fringe nonsense. If I were perpetuating these crimes against humanity, that's exactly how I'd want it to go.
You say you want proof? Dig into it. Pick any of the above mentioned nefarious topics and dig. Is it really possible there's nothing to find? And if you do find something beyond the "small truths" you mentioned, then what? That's the question.
For now, I'm happy to see it discussed. Because that could lead to outrage. And then, possibly, action. For now, I'll take discussion.
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"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
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