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Sashi was hired to do a job he was NOT REMOTELY CLOSE TO BEING QUALIFIED TO DO ... he was put in a position with an almost inevitable outcome ... he was SET UP TO FAIL ... he had no right to be hired to make final decisions on an NFL roster ... NONE .... it was possibly the DUMBEST HIRE the thief has made ... and thats a REALLY REALLY HIGH BAR ... U guys have squabbled and debated why he was fired .... and u will continue too .. have fun with your agendas ... *L* ... BOTTOM LINE .... The reasons he was fired were directly correlated to his LACK OF EXPERIENCE at the job and having ZERO FOOTBALL PEOPLE TO RELY on in mgmt. ... HORRIBLE position to be in ... He was fired for NOT GETTING A QB ... that was reason 1 ... with his lack of understanding how important VETERAN LEADERSHIP is a DISTANT SECOND .... imagine if we kept McCown and won the 4 or 5 games we would have with him ... SASHIS STILL HERE ... thank god he didn’t keep McCown ...  ... Cutting Haden and Grecco ... letting Schwartz walk was in that “mold” also .... but the main reason was the QB ... Both of those are directly related to his LACK OF EXPERIENCE!!!! I’m THRILLED he’s gone ... GOOD RIDDANCE .... i feel much better with Dorsey and crew having the BOUNTY that SASHI LEFT US WITH ... Are u kidding me ... were LOADED with cap space and multiple HIGH QUALITY picks in the draft ... and for that ... i want to say ... THANK U SAHSI ......... THANK U VERY VERY MUCH FOR THAT ASPECT.... I for one am thrilled with the shape u left us in ... THANK U THANK U THANK U ... Here’s why i’m GRATEFUL ... - u left us with a TON OF CAP SPACE ... we have the money to do whatever the hell we wish in FA ... - picks #1 and 4 ... picks 1 and 3 or 4 in rnd 2 ... another pick in rnd 2 ... ARE U KIDDING ME ... - u left us with SOME TALENT .... some drafted, some FA’s and even a few left overs from the other failures we’ve had here ... Did he make mistakes .. PLENTY ... they all do ... the HUGE ONE with him was the QB ... that is 100% what sunk him ... End of the day ... he left us in MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER SHAPE than when he arrived ... Thanks Sashi ...
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LOL, this thread won't start another board squabble. 
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It did not take me long to recognize Sashi's major weakness...lack of football experience especially at the NFL level...as a GM, Sashi was not qualified.
But, it was not Sashi's fault that Haslam hired him for a position he was not qualified for...what the hell was Haslam thinking?
Now we find out if the new guys can use the assets Sashi accumulated.
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U forgot to thank him mac .. i got your back sir ... Mac says THANKS SASHI ... All set mac ...
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schwartz, greco, and haden were the big blunders IMO
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If we keep McCown or get one of the other 3 or 4 other guys in a similiar boat to his ... we win 4 or 5 games and Sashi is still here ... even with those guys gone ... we keep all them and we win ZERO games w/o a different QB ... This was a direct result of NO QB .... The thread will deteriate quickly as the usual supsects will turn this into a he said/she said re-hash ... my point is .. regardless of where u lay the blame or how u divvy it up ... Sashi lost his job cause of the QB ROOM! ...
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I can agree with that only from the standpoint that they needed a vet and let Kizer sit. But they never got a decent vet and now Kizer is ruined (maybe).
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There is no doubt that Sashi Brown set us up beautifully for the future. If a person reads between the lines, this was the plan all along. It stung to lose guys along the way, but I don't think there are very many other circumstances that would have us as prepared for the future as the one we are currently in.
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I think some people still confuse the term GM and Sashi's actual role.
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I think some people still confuse the term GM and Sashi's actual role. His actual role was being in charge of the 53 man roster. This was stated publicly. He was the man who had final say in terms of draft picks. This too was publicly stated. He did leave us in good shape in the aspect of cap space and draft picks. Certainly something that gives us the possibility of putting us in a position to add a lot of talent. He was hired into a job he had no actual qualifications for. Part of that is on Haslam and part of it is on Sashi for taking the job. But I certainly have no problem for thanking the man for the position he left us in when it comes to cap space and draft picks.
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I can agree with that only from the standpoint that they needed a vet and let Kizer sit. But they never got a decent vet and now Kizer is ruined (maybe). I do not think Kiser is ruined. At least I hope not. I still think the best is yet to come for him. With the Browns or another team. I am anxious to see how much he will improve after the off season.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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so, and thanks for all the fish
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I still think that was Sashi's plan all along. They didn't hire a GM in '16. Instead, Sashi took the job himself and set about acquiring assets instead of star players. He acquired foundational players; OL, DL, LB, and a few young and talented players who needed to develop their skills.
Now, 2 years later, the team is in the perfect position for someone like Dorsey to come in and build a good team quickly. And because there are no established stars, Dorsey can acquire skilled players with the qualities that best fit his plan instead of mixing and matching. It's all too perfect to have happened by accident. Sashi set this up and took the fall. Now I suspect the fall was bigger than he anticipated. He made some big mistakes and he will probably never have another job in football. But he's still young, very smart, and a lawyer.
I think that setting up the team as it is, and handing it over to a good GM was that plan all along. He made quite a few mistakes, but he accomplished the main goal.
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If he was hired to be the GM I'd probably agree with you.
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A thank you to Sashi, for the pick of Jabrill Peppers.  Not the player but the fact they picked him at that time. Now I will say it's not Peppers' fault he shouldn't have been selected until a dozen other guys who were still available and better, but he got picked; But Sashi, for taking him at that time. THANKS! ratz-n-fratz. Phooey. Where is the shooing away with my hand emoji.
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I think his inexperience also placed too much trust in Hue to actually coach the team to a few wins this last season.
I don't trust anything Hue says. It's best if he just shuts up and coaches.
Hue's talk at the combine sounded just like last years except he blamed Sashi.
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Not only did he leave us with a plethora of picks, Quality ones at that, the Cap Space is Insane.
He set us up to be an attractive place to get interest from a REAL GM. Enter Dorseys Crew.
Yes. THANK YOU, Sashi.
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Thanks, Sashi. I appreciate ya. Seriously.
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actually a great job just made too many mistakes in the priority of a franchise QB.
I am a man of my word.
Whoever made the decision of passing over Wentz should and would get fired.
Sadly Sashi Brown is my Billy Budd...Thanks and Good Bye Sashi
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Sashi did the job he was hired to do with amazing success.
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actually a great job just made too many mistakes in the priority of a franchise QB.
I am a man of my word.
Whoever made the decision of passing over Wentz should and would get fired.
Sadly Sashi Brown is my Billy Budd...Thanks and Good Bye Sashi It was an organizational decision to trade out of #2. That's how this works. A lot of the people behind that move are still in the building, including Hue.
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actually a great job just made too many mistakes in the priority of a franchise QB.
I am a man of my word.
Whoever made the decision of passing over Wentz should and would get fired.
Sadly Sashi Brown is my Billy Budd...Thanks and Good Bye Sashi It was an organizational decision to trade out of #2. That's how this works. A lot of the people behind that move are still in the building, including Hue. Sashi Brown was the Batman of Cleveland football... the hero we needed, but not the hero we deserved.
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I don't know that I agree with this. He gave us the very sour taste of 1-31, including an 0-16 season that stays with the Browns franchise forever.
The NFL is naturally set up for parity. Teams draft in reverse order of their record, so it's hard to give credit to Sashi for picks 1, 33, etc. when that is how the NFL set up and it took an 0-16 season to achieve it.
We have so much cap space because the team has been so depleted of talent that few of our players are worth lucrative extensions. Again, this is a natural byproduct of the NFL's system. The flipside is that the Super Bowl winning team often sees an exodus of talent. Usually such a team has an abundance of talent and you just can't pay everybody.
He did make some cuts and trades to add to this, but when one of those involved passing on Carson Wentz-- a legit MVP candidate before being injured in his second season-- and trading down for Corey Coleman.. ugh.
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Your entitled to your opinion ... no matter how wrong it is ..  ... U can just say good bye .. sounds like your real good with that part ... *L* .... not everyone needs to thank him ...
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That pretty much sums it up..
What Sashi did not expect was the 1-31. Thus he bears the burden of being too aggressive in his approach.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons.
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I see u came back to start the fight u predicted that never developed ....  .... I been thinking for the last few days .. as bad as the last two years have been (actually 3, but one is pre harvard .. *L*) ... the debates i see on the board are by far the best we’ve EVER HAD .... i mean look at the options ... its a BUFFETT .. this year has way more options than any other year i can ever remember ... Look at qb .... Cousins, McCarron and who knows who else ... at least 1, maybe all 3 from Minni ... there’s 3 QB’s being bantered around as realistic franchise qb’s at the top of the draft ... some years there’s none .... Sashi set the table and then we FINALLY GOT SOME LUCK ....
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Your entitled to your opinion ... no matter how wrong it is .. ... U can just say good bye .. sounds like your real good with that part ... *L* .... not everyone needs to thank him ... At least there are a bunch of draft picks and cap space. If the new regime does a good job, we'll be able to catch back up with the rest of the league in talent. “And you know what? I’ll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn’t get real players.” - John Dorsey 1-31 and the owner kept the head coach. That's Sashi Brown's legacy.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons. If you need a good head coach to go 7-25, maybe you need a better GM. Look at how fast the Eagles got out of the Chip Kelly rut.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons. If you need a good head coach to go 7-25, maybe you need a better GM. Look at how fast the Eagles got out of the Chip Kelly rut. You don't have to even have to be a good coach to trip over three wins in a season.
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Sashi did a lot of good things for this organization. It took big caJones to come out and speak to the media after all the nasty fallout. Dorsey is left in a great position to succeed. Hue might be in the way. we'll see.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons. If you need a good head coach to go 7-25, maybe you need a better GM. Look at how fast the Eagles got out of the Chip Kelly rut. *The Eagles were 26-21 under Chip Kelly.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons. If you need a good head coach to go 7-25, maybe you need a better GM. Look at how fast the Eagles got out of the Chip Kelly rut. *The Eagles were 26-21 under Chip Kelly. LOL...but that isn't good enough for a real football team, yet we have folks trying to tell me that Hue is a real football coach, a guy who hasn't won a game in two years.....I don't count a blocked kick as coaching us to a win...well, maybe a win by special teams coach Tabor who was fired by the win less head coach. Hue is a win less POS.
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POS?
Edit: I know what it means btw, I just was surprised you called him that.
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I have to admit, I don't like the guy.
He sucks.
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pos has hatred behind it Peen. Hatred is personal. So it will be hard to take your judgment seriously.
I wiuld like to see how he does with a team built to compete. There is time to get it right...look how fast Pederson did it.
Right now he has coaches and players believing. He has gotten his DC n now his OC I like those decisions I see the big picture forming. He can survive 1-31 He can survive anything.
I have see his game plan not executed well at all.
I have seen him survive a drive to goal to go with time running out n the QB audibles into a QB sneak from the 3. I have seen him given a QB room with a 2nd round rookie along with year two QBs that were 3rd n 5th round picks (I could be wrong with Higans slot) players can roll their eyes at this predicament and yet they fought hard and never gave up. He has the full endorsement of our ine true hero. This is why I wish to see how we continue this journey with a team ready to compete. We will finally get our QB and orobably a vet who can win now and who knows maybe a once in a decade RB. Throw him away? No way.
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It will be interesting to see how it goes moving forward..
It's simply dislike. I don't hate him. I don't hate people. I hate some of the things they do.
I honestly hope he turns around everything I dislike and this discussion is totally different.
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I am not high on Hue either. I will go back and say that I still think he was the best candidate at the time. He's improved zero out of many quarterbacks. His time management is just honestly unable to understand at times. His play calling with a struggling rookie QB(s) is and was questionable, also knowing that he had no weapons on offense for them to be as pass happy.
I could go on and on but overall, let's just say it's been a failure. He's not a POS though. He may be on his last chance to do something, already on the right track of surrendering play calling duties completely.
Hue is in do or die and quite frankly, it's looking like the second option. One would think, even with a group of new people, they could at least win a game.
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As much as Hue questioned whether Kizer would get it or not, I think it's fair to question whether Hue will get it or not.
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He was a head coach away from having 6 more wins in the last two seasons. If you need a good head coach to go 7-25, maybe you need a better GM. Look at how fast the Eagles got out of the Chip Kelly rut. *The Eagles were 26-21 under Chip Kelly. While accurate, it's also accurate to say that they were 6-9 in his final season, the team was in disarray, and he was fired before the end of the season. A lot of Chip's key players were sent packing. From week 9 of this past season: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-nine-thoughts/It wasn’t even two years ago that the Eagles fired Chip Kelly, an alleged offensive guru who had saddled them with a bunch of overpaid and underperforming offensive players. It’s remarkable how quickly they’ve cleaned up his mess.
Philadelphia, which put up 51 points on a very good Denver defense on Sunday, is now 8-1 and the best team in the NFL. That’s mostly due to its stellar offense, and what’s remarkable about that offense is how completely it has been rebuilt since the departure of Kelly, who spent three years as the Eagles’ coach and also had final say over personnel in his final year. Bad personnel moves can put a team in a salary cap hole that takes a long time to dig out of, but Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman and coach Doug Pederson have done it quickly.
The big move, of course, was at quarterback. Not everyone was sold on Carson Wentz coming out of North Dakota State last year, but the Eagles were. They traded two of Kelly’s favorite defensive players, Kiko Alonso and Byron Maxwell, to move up in the first round of the draft, then traded that first-round pick, another first-round pick, a second-round pick and a third-round pick to Cleveland to get the second overall pick in the 2016 NFL draft. That’s the pick they used to get Wentz.
That was a lot to give up, and if it hadn’t worked out it would have crippled the franchise. But, oh, my, has it worked out. Wentz threw four touchdown passes yesterday and has an NFL-high 23 touchdowns on the season, and he’s now the league’s leading MVP candidate.
Drafting Wentz angered Sam Bradford, Kelly’s hand-picked quarterback whom the current regime re-signed a month before they drafted Wentz. But the Eagles knew what they were doing: They were patient with Bradford and committed to him publicly until the opportunity to trade him arose, at which point they unloaded him on the Vikings for a first-round pick and a fourth-round pick. Getting those picks for Bradford was a key part of the Eagles’ ability to replenish their roster despite giving up so much for Wentz.
But there’s much more to the Eagles’ rebuilt offense than just drafting Wentz. The top wide receiver on Kelly’s 2015 Eagles was Jordan Matthews, whom the Eagles traded to Buffalo this year. The Eagles could make that move because they added Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith this year. Kelly also had Josh Huff, Riley Cooper and Miles Austin at wide receiver, all of whom are long gone.
At running back Kelly poured big money into DeMarco Murray and Ryan Matthews. They’re gone now, replaced by LeGarrette Blount, Wendall Smallwood, Corey Clement and the newly arrived Jay Ajayi, who ran for a 46-yard touchdown in his first game as an Eagle yesterday.
Basically, this offense looks nothing like the offense Chip Kelly left behind — and the rebuilt offense looks ready to take Philadelphia to a Super Bowl. A team can rebuild in a hurry. As long as it finds the right quarterback. Sashi and the front office inherited the #2 overall pick with Carson Wentz on the board. And their first order of business was to trade down for Corey Coleman.
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