DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A Farewell and Thank You to Sashi ...

Ahh,, It's water under the bridge..

You know, we tried to hire "REAL" football guys like:

Dwight Clark
Butch Davis
Phil Savage
George Kokanis
Tom Heckert
Mike Lombardi (banner)
Ray Farmer
Sashi Brown
John Dorsey

And you can't forget Mike Holmgren.

What I'm saying is, the effort to put in a real football guy didn't provide the desired result either so why not try something different.

Sashi wasn't the right guy as it turns out. His thinking, while interesting, wasn't the answer.

But the new guy, John Dorsey has a Bushel Basket full of money and a ton of draft picks to build it HIS way. And he has that because of Sashi Brown.

So there was at least something positive to look at from the Brown years.

I sure hope Dorsey is the real deal. Then we only have to worry about Hue Jackson, he is the HC answer or not. I'm questioning that for obvious reason.

I’m still waiting on that Thank U to Sashi for the place he left us in sir ... ....

No doubt he made some major mistakes while he was here ... and 1 - 31 was BEYOND BRUTAL ...

Sashi left us set up like no other .. the sun has a chance to be shining on us for a long time if we don’t Brown this up ...

Yeah I just disagree.. he left us with 0-16 and the worst roster in the league.

I acknowledge we have some extra picks and have a lot of good cap space. Most of that value came from the league's structure that gives the worst team the first pick in each round and the salary cap that further promotes parity.

Some further draft value was picked up with such moves as passing on Watson, taking on Osweiler's exorbitant contract, and passing on Wentz. Some cap space was saved by cutting veterans who could have helped us avoid 0-16 and could still contribute going forward, both on the field and in the locker room.

The current state of the Browns roster is a long way away from even an average NFL team. There are glaring holes all over the roster. This should be obvious in light of the fact we just went on the worst two year stretch in league history.

Dorsey has his work cut out for him. He inherits an 0-16 football team along with the coach who made it happen. If he turns the franchise around, I will give most of the credit to him, with an acknowledgement that he started this rebuild with a lot of draft picks and cap space. It's a better position to be in than many rebuilds.

They traded down for the extra picks. When on the clock for #2 there was no guarantee that Coleman was going to be there 17 picks later, or whatever we traded down to.

Separate the trade from what we ended up doing with the extra picks. If someone offers up a 1st round pick for our 3rd round pick, that is a good trade to make. If we blow that 1st round pick on a bust, that does not mean we should never make that trade again in the future if given the chance. Good trade, we just didn't take advantage of it.

I get what you're saying, but a young franchise QB is so valuable that it must be considered in at least the initial trade down.

Or another way to look at it-- figure out all the players the Browns got from the Carson Wentz trade. Would you rather have all of those players, or Carson Wentz. The answer is Carson Wentz by far. The Browns could offer all the players in addition to Philly's 2018 2nd round pick back to the Eagles for Wentz and you might actually hear the laughter from where you are now.

Whether you call that one debacle of a trade or a bunch of small debacles of trades and picks, whatever. With the exception of that additional 2nd round pick, they were all made by the same front office.

Sashi bears some responsibility for not getting Wentz as he listened to Hue Jackson. Hue didn't want Wentz at #2. I get Sashi's reasoning, however-- This is your first draft with your new HC....why get him a QB he doesn't want @ 2? The trade haul was nice, but I'm sure all would prefer Wentz.

I am not arguing that Wentz would have been better than what we ended up drafting. I just think the trade is one thing, and what you do with the picks is another.

This year is different. Sashi got some extra picks, but someone else will be using them.

This is why good ownership is so important. It all starts at the top, as they say. It is up to the owner to hire the best football people and put them in a position to succeed.

Agreed.

I'm probably one of the biggest Sashi fans on this board, but listening to Hue's input on QBs was his biggest mistake in year one. I hope Dorsey locks Hue out of the war room and tells him to coach whoever he gives him.



And I hope Dorsey knocks it out of the park with them!

Sorry bro ... we do not even have close to the worst roster in the NFL .. NOT EVEN CLOSE .... thats simply not true ..

If we had a QB that wasn’t as bad as there has ever been ... we’d of won 4 - 6 games ...

I had no clue u were so bitter ... its OK ... it don’t matter weather we agree or not on that crap, the fact is ... WERE IN A SPOT MANY WOULD LOVE TO BE IN ..

And i think Dorsey has one of the easiest jobs EVER ... we have some talent .. LEGITE TALENT ... Collins, Kirksey, MG, Ogbah, Shelton and 3 or 4 others with LEGITE TALENT ...

We have the best draft set up EVER .... we have a ton of cap space ...

I think Dorsey walked into an nfl gm’s version of HEAVEN!!!

I’ll let u make the last post ... i simply wanted to say good bye and how happy i was Sashi is gone and to also thank him for the position he left us in ... i didn’t want to get in the he said/she said crap thats prevelant on the board today ...

THE FUTURE WILL BE BRIGHT IF DOREY DON’T BROWN IT UP ...

Good Luck John ...

You created a thread knowing exactly how it would turn out. Congrats.

OK Vers ... ..

I started the thread for the reasons i stated ...

I’d say more but u don’t deserve it after that useless drivel u call a post ...

Sure you did. You knew exactly how this would turn out. It seems like you thrive on this kind of thing these days.

We aren't really devoid of talent. We got some good guys out there. Not enough of them, but some good stuff exists..

But with the CAP space and picks we have, we can cure a lot of problems in one year if we do it right.

Not saying we'll be super bowl bound but we can get closer in one year if Dorsey does his job right and Hue doesn't totally screw things up.

There can't be much room for mistakes for Hue...

Ok vers ... ...

U didn’t happen to notice whose not participating in the BS did u ...

As usual ... you think you can get into someone else’s head .. u SUCK AT IT ...

Later pit ... let me know if or when u want to talk football again ... til then ... bye bye ..

I'm just stating a fact almost anyone can see. You started this thread to stir the pot. EVERYONE knows if you start a thread trying to thank one of the most controversial figures on this board it's going to be a mess. It was done on purpose and you're too smart not to know how this would work.

Trying to start a thread thanking someone who isn't even here anymore and is a hot button issue wasn't talking football either diam. It was just stirring the pot.

It might be too late!

• Happy Hue. This comes from an executive with a historically reliable ear to the ground: Cleveland, with four picks in the top 35 of the draft, is still exceedingly interested in signing free-agent quarterback A.J. McCarron after the trade-deadline-day debacle last fall … and then backstopping him with a rookie quarterback in the draft. I’m hearing that’s coach Hue Jackson’s preference, having coached McCarron in Cincinnati as Bengals offensive coordinator.

Peter King: MMQB

I'm not all that big of a fan of McCarron, but signing him as an unrestricted FA is a far better alternative than trading a 2nd & 3rd for him. So, in keeping with the spirit of the thread....

.....Thank you, Sashi!

U sure i didn’t have any ulterior motives .... ...

Who did we add under Sashi Brown?

In alphabetical order:

Boddy-Calhoun
Burgess
Coley
Collins
Dayes
DeValve
Drango
Kindred
McCourty
Meder
Njoku
Ogbah
Ogunjobi
Schobert
Telfer
Tretter
Zeitler


These guys are not all "All Pros", but they either are, or have shown signs of being genuinely useful NFL starters. We have holes. The most obvious glaring are at QB, WR, RB, and DB. We have, thanks to Brown's creative trades, 2 firsts and 3 seconds. We have 6 picks in the top 65 picks. We have a ton of cap space/cash tat we can spend in free agency. Those picks should net us at least 3 or 4 quality starters, and 2 real difference makers .... and we should be able to add at least 2-3 really high quality free agents. I think that the team is in very good shape.

The key is to get the QB spot right, and to take advantage of the assets we have.

On the negative side of his regime, Brown really left us in bad shape at QB, WR, and DB. We need significant help at all of these spots. Obviously, the success of 2 QBs Brown passed over almost certainly cost him his job.

You're missing a few players, namely Myles Garrett. Unless I overlooked the intention of the list. If so, my bad.

He also re-signed Kirksey and took care of JT ...

Technicality here but he also re-signed Collins after aquiring him ...

Pit’s not going to be happy ... you guys aren’t sticking to what he believes the spirit of the thread was ... *LOL* ...

Pit knows why you posted it and for the most part it went exactly as you intended it to. You weren't very clever in hiding it.

I thought I had him in there. I guess I did miss him.

Peppers and Coleman are a couple of others. Not saying they've proven anything yet, but they were acquired while Sashi was here.

Bitonio was extended as well.

I don't have any reason to be bitter. I didn't even watch for the early part of the season but I did watch quite a bit down the stretch. It was hard to get away from because the games are on everywhere where I live and a lot of my friends are still diehard fans.

What I saw was a starting running back that was more noteworthy for what he did off the field than what he did on it, bookend turnstiles, a quarterback who couldn't process information quickly or make accurate throws, receivers who couldn't catch.. and that's just the offense.

Worst point differential in the league, every NFL fan site and power rankings I've checked put the Browns squarely at #32, various analytics back that up. I hate to pile on like this but I think... like recent years... many fans have unrealistic expectations and are setting themselves up for disappointment. We went 0-16 for a reason-- take whatever combination of lack of talent and bad coaching you want.

I get that we have cap space and extra draft picks. Just don't lose sight of the fact that all GMs miss on players and we have a ways to go.

Just out of curiosity.. you say we don't have the worst roster in the NFL .. not even close, in fact. Which team has by far a worse roster than ours and how do you evaluate this?

A few more things and then I'll give this a rest:

I've said in the past that 1-31 was a team effort. There's no one person to blame. The Haslams have made bad hiring/firing decisions and have left a sour culture on the team. Sashi was completely in over his head-- a lawyer in charge of a football roster and this goes right back to the Haslams. Hue Jackson lost games that should have been won.

On that last note, I'm not very high on Hue. That being said, he did go 8-8 with the Raiders, long before Derek Carr or Khalil Mack ever arrived there. Hue isn't completely clueless. JT has gone out of his way to effusively praise him, and it does not seem like lip service. I'm still skeptical, but I'm not in the locker room and I'm willing to see what happens next season.

What I saw down the stretch last season was a team that was outclassed by most of the teams we faced. I go back to what John Dorsey said:

"And you know what? I'll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn't get real players."

That's pretty much what I saw. I think it was obvious to John Dorsey and maybe the part he missed was that it was not obvious to everyone else. I personally think 1-31 speaks for itself but not everyone sees it that way. And it could have been phrased better; he clarified that there just weren't enough of them.

If John Dorsey makes the right moves, I believe he can and will, he should get all the credit due to him. But let's not forget it was Sashi Brown who put him and the franchise in this position. Sashi made some mistakes as well but we are in very good shape moving forward because of him. Sashi may not have been the best in the position he held but I for one thank him for where we are going forward. That should not be forgotten.

I am not sold on either player. I hated the Peppers pick, when it was made, and I don't feel much better about it here, a year later.

I am worried that Coleman is going to be an annual injury.

I hope that I am wrong about both guys.

I'm really only having a hard time with one aspect of your post.

All the good things you mentioned, that we should thank Sashi for, are the direct result of the bad things you listed first in your post.

We got all those picks because we gave Carson Wentz to the Eagles and Watson to the Texans. We boosted our own picks because of the lack of talent on our roster. We have hilarious amounts of cap space because we let the likes of Grecco and Schwartz go, cut the likes of McCown and Haden, and didn't really add much in the way of vet leadership to fill the void.

So, to me, it sounds like you're booing and cheering the exact same things at the same time. Just seems weird to me.

this is not really accurate. Hue had no say in the draft. He has said it multiple times.

It is accurate.

The deal is everybody loves Wentz now. At the time I only recall a few others actually liking him.


Got to keep it real.

false..

Hue had no say... He wanted Wentz. He wanted Mitch He wanted Watson. He wanted Prescott. He got none.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/19/report-hue-jackson-wants-more-say-in-draft-process/

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/hue_jackson_preferred_carson_w.html

https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/w...sQIHXkTz1xxbZJ/

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/918161715535028226?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.daytondailynews.com%2Fsports%2Fwas-hue-jackson-overruled-the-browns-draft-room%2FJKWHUWQcsQIHXkTz1xxbZJ%2F

Why would Hue care about avoiding that comparison? He is not making decisions in the war room so...


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ay-to-be-ready/

Everyone Hue Wanted... he didn't get. So, Please tell me how Hue had any pull in the draft room?

while we're all in good cheer and a thankful mood,let's not fprget to thank him for that 1-31,the worse two year record in NFL history.

Yes. Like 90% of the posters here were all for trading the 2nd pick and passing on Wentz.

I don't believe passing on Wentz is what ultimately got Sashi fired. I believe everyone in the organization was on board with the trade. Who the strongest voice and driving force was behind this trade is where the ambiguity lies. However, we do know that Hue liked Wentz but didn't want to use the second pick on him.

There are other factors in play that led Sashi out the door.

I see what you're posting, but it doesn't prove what you're surmising.

You can thank Hue for that.

There is tons of proof and that doesn't mean anything?

Hell... Hue even thought he was getting Watson and text him to tell him to be ready. Watson even showed the media the text.

Instead, Hue had to spin it after he had egg on his face.