Agree, SB is special. For those who state WE HAVE TO TAKE QB- how many first rd QBS have we taken with no results- Weeden and Johnny M come to mind...they were rated as good players. There are no guarantees. I loved Wentz, I see no QB with his mental and athletic ability in this class....draft a "good one" at 4....GO Browns!!!
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Agree, SB is special. For those who state WE HAVE TO TAKE QB- how many first rd QBS have we taken with no results- Weeden and Johnny M come to mind...they were rated as good players. There are no guarantees. I loved Wentz, I see no QB with his mental and athletic ability in this class....draft a "good one" at 4....GO Browns!!!
Ahhhh. The falacy of pick 22 rears its ugly head yet again.
I don't think the Browns will select Barkley at #1 for the same reasons teams at #2 and #3 won't pick him-- the QB / pass rush need is high and the RB class is deep.
Thus, I hope he is available at #4. I'd take him there.
I think there is close to a zero percent chance the Browns pass on a QB at #1 and take Barkley. QB if far more important to a team's long term success than a RB. Not having a franchise QB is why the Browns have been abysmal on the field for nearly 20 years.
However, I'm not so sure NYG doesn't take Barkley at #2. I'd almost be more surprised if they didn't.
If I'm the Browns... I've thrown enough shade on the QB sweepstakes. They're all so close anyway that there is no reason to try to influence any other team's perspective where they are concerned.
Saquan is the prize... and I make it abundantly clear that we are in love with him. That opens dialog with all important teams for possible trade scenarios, they know if they want him - the only road to drafting him is through our #1. When the bidding begins we could possibly steal draft picks from the Giants with no possible impact on our QB... Steal even more from other teams with limited risk.
If I'm the Giants I'd gladly call your bluff and stay put.
Teams don't trade up to the #1 spot and give up a ransom unless it's for a QB. Notably, they also know the Browns cannot afford to pass on a franchise QB....again.
Well, once again the blind assumption that we won't get our QB when there are 5+ to choose from and Barkley is going to someone before our 4th pick. Math doesn't lie.
Second, I don't expect a "ransom", just a third this year and second next year.
Finally, them "calling my bluff" costs me nothing - I still get what I want... it's them that might not.
We don't have to act like we need anyone - because we don't. There will be dialog if they are at all interested in Barkley, and there will be discussions with many other teams. If their posture is "calling my bluff" the first discussion, I make sure the phone rings "busy" the next three times they call, while I'm "fielding calls from all the other ten franchises". My job as Browns GM is to maximize the value of offers and weigh it against the risk of moving down.
Saquan is not a shiny toy Diam. He is a beast who would transform our running game into something that scores points. He is the BPA in this draft bar none. It's not even close.
Between Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, or Mason there is not a lot of difference in quality. They each have their own things we like or hate but there is not some huge leap from one to the other that is worth giving up a player like Saquon.
There is no guarantee that ANY of these QBs become NFL stars. I mean I think all 4 of them will be great but there is no way to know how their game will adjust to the NFL level until they get there. I am a lot more confident that Saquan will beast out and be a superstar by a long shot. You just can't pass on a talent like that. He will make whatever QB we end up with that more likely to succeed because he will have a real running game to fall back on.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Dorsey has said,repeatedly,his no.1 task is to find a QB. His livelihood will depend upon it.There will be extreme pressure to draft that QB at #1. That is what he will do.
Dorsey has said,repeatedly,his no.1 task is to find a QB. His livelihood will depend upon it.There will be extreme pressure to draft that QB at #1. That is what he will do.
Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Cousins, Eli Manning, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Lamar.
Dorsey has said,repeatedly,his no.1 task is to find a QB. His livelihood will depend upon it.There will be extreme pressure to draft that QB at #1. That is what he will do.
Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Cousins, Eli Manning, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Lamar.
No need to panic, IMHO....
Foles may be a franchise type,Rosen and/or Darnold could be.The rest are just guys with questions.
Dorsey has said,repeatedly,his no.1 task is to find a QB. His livelihood will depend upon it.There will be extreme pressure to draft that QB at #1. That is what he will do.
Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum, Nick Foles, AJ McCarron, Cousins, Eli Manning, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Lamar.
No need to panic, IMHO....
Foles may be a franchise type,Rosen and/or Darnold could be.The rest are just guys with questions.
Cousins has questions?
Keenum did a good job, and will be a starter.
Rosen and Darnold will not help Hue and the team, so they are immaterial, IMHO. If he does not win, the project will go down in flames by mid-season.
And Fitz isn’t going to just break up a few passes .... ...
I like shiny new toy .... regardless of its accuracy ... *L* ...
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He is a beast who would transform our running game into something that scores points.
No doubt hes a special shiny toy ... is that better .. *L* ...
Thats your opinion on how he will transform the offense ... if i believed what u do ... i’d Agree with u ...
I’m not as sold on him as U and appearantly about 98% of the board ... its a position i’ve Been in many many times before on here ... *L* ...
If we draft him i hope he becomes at least an average inside runner ... his tape doesn’t show that ... he was faster than everyone and always used that speed to outrun them ... the nfl isn’t the big 10 ... if we draft him i really hope he can do it ... and i hope his speed translates to the nfl ...
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He is the BPA in this draft bar none. It's not even close.
He more than likely is ... hes not the best fit for us ... IMO he’s simply not .... i would be THRILLED to walk away with our QB at 1 and Fitz at 4 .... i think Fitz is as special as u think Quan is ...
Its a difference of opinion ... lets see what happens in FA .. they may switch things up some ...
Who is the franchise/can't miss QB at #1 though? Is it Rosen? Darnold? Allen? Mayfield?
I actually rate Mayfield higher than Darnold. It COULD be Rosen, who I don't think you pass on at #1. If it's NOT Rosen that we're targeting though, the other 3 seem to be pretty even.
If we have them all rated fairly even and whomever we pick at #4 tanks, that's SLIGHTLY easier to swallow then tanking at #1. But if #2/#3 shines on whichever team, then we screwed it up there too.
Either way...this is the best part of our season, so it's pretty fun reading all the theories and comments
Does a QB typically play much longer than a RB or is it the other way around?
In Cleveland...The RB plays much longer...
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Can you guarantee that Barkley is better than Zeke? Gurley? A. Peterson?
Really ? Can you guarantee the QB your pimping is better than Kizer ? ...lmao... totally a bs question..
Not to burst your bubble, but Trent Richardson lasted 2 seasons here after getting drafted in the top 10. Terrence West lasted one season here. Montario Hardesty lasted two seasons. Lee Suggs lasted parts of 3 seasons here. William Green lasted parts of 4 seasons (46 games). James Jackson lasted parts of 4 seasons here. Travis Prentice lasted one season here. This will only be year 4 for Duke.
Those are just the RBs drafted 4th round or higher.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I have some questions for all you guys who want to draft Barkley w/the first overall pick.
When was the last time a RB was drafted first overall?
What is the shelf life of a RB?
Who influences a game more, a QB or a RB?
Which position is harder to find, QB or RB?
Does a QB typically play much longer than a RB or is it the other way around?
Can you guarantee that Barkley is better than Zeke? Gurley? A. Peterson?
Kijana Carter. Short. They both can. Without a running game, the D plays 'meet you at the qb'. A good qb is hard to find. QBs tend to last longer. There are no guarantees in life.
But, it is my belief the browns will get a qb in fa. We can still draft one at 4, have a ready to go playmaker learning the trade behind a vet qb, and a RB to make plays for now. The league is starting to realize the value of a good rb/qb combo again.
Well I think its pretty simple. Our priority of this draft is QB.
If we are sold on one QB who stands above the rest guess what? We will take said QB we wont take the chance.
Now if we reach draft day and we just do not know as a consensus who is the Guy. We will take Barkley who is the BPA of this draft and then our QB at #4.
Also who we get as our Bridge QB will play into this decision as well.We never had Bridge QB of these caliber. Also these QBs just might not convince our guys that they allne are the guy.
In otherwords who knows what we will do!
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I am going to post 2 highlight films. One is Barry Sanders and the other is Saquon Barkley. I want you guys to pay special attention to how similar these guys use their ankle plants to change direction to blow past people and I want you to notice how many times they make people miss tackles. To me watching Saquan is like watching a younger and better Barry Sanders.
This kid is going to be one of the best pro HBs we have seen in a looong time.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
This kid is going to be one of the best pro HBs we have seen in a looong time.
I agree, but what does that get you?
It takes pressure off the passing game which is great for a young QB. When defenses can't stop the run they have to add more to the box to stop it and that makes it much easier for the passing game.
It increases the amount of TDs your team will score so you will win more. This guy is going to score a lot of points. It will more than make up any small thing we lost by drafting mayfield instead of rosen or darnold. Hell you never know ROsen's injury history might have him slide right down to us at 4.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
If I'm the Browns... I've thrown enough shade on the QB sweepstakes. They're all so close anyway that there is no reason to try to influence any other team's perspective where they are concerned.
The statement that all the qbs are so close is being said a lot. However, I don't think they are close at all. If that is the case, all of this posturing and conversation is meaningless. We are going to take the best qb at number 1.
If I'm the Browns... I've thrown enough shade on the QB sweepstakes. They're all so close anyway that there is no reason to try to influence any other team's perspective where they are concerned.
The statement that all the qbs are so close is being said a lot. However, I don't think they are close at all. If that is the case, all of this posturing and conversation is meaningless. We are going to take the best qb at number 1.
I like Rosen too but he is nowhere close to a safe pick with his concussion history. He could be a few hard hits to the head from being done. It's a real risk. It won't be the end of the world if we are drafting darnold or mayfield at #4 instead. In fact we will be just fine because the difference of having Saquon will more than make up for it.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
If I'm the Browns... I've thrown enough shade on the QB sweepstakes. They're all so close anyway that there is no reason to try to influence any other team's perspective where they are concerned.
The statement that all the qbs are so close is being said a lot. However, I don't think they are close at all. If that is the case, all of this posturing and conversation is meaningless. We are going to take the best qb at number 1.
To be fair, the context of my OP was determining upside trade value of our picks. If someone wants a QB, there is no clear danger that we will take their guy because there are at least five 1st round worthy QBs. Threat, but not eminent threat. If someone wants the best RB, there is only one - and he's head and shoulders "best".
Thus the original statement, stop throwing shade at who you might draft at QB and make it clear you are in love with Barkley.
Not saying we're drafting Barkley, not saying all the QBs are just names you pick out of a hat... simply saying that there is truly only one most coveted player in the draft and we have the top pick.
If I'm the Browns... I've thrown enough shade on the QB sweepstakes. They're all so close anyway that there is no reason to try to influence any other team's perspective where they are concerned.
The statement that all the qbs are so close is being said a lot. However, I don't think they are close at all. If that is the case, all of this posturing and conversation is meaningless. We are going to take the best qb at number 1.
Yet you favor Rosen (I do to) but in most drafts evaluations Sam Darnold is the top QB...
I also can see good reasons for Rosen not to be a good fit with us, specially because he is not a Midwest kind of person...
You can't have the face of the franchise not sharing the franchise values...
And never in the recent past of the NFL have so many quality QB's been available... 7-8 starters at least.
This kid is going to be one of the best pro HBs we have seen in a looong time.
I agree, but what does that get you?
It takes pressure off the passing game which is great for a young QB. When defenses can't stop the run they have to add more to the box to stop it and that makes it much easier for the passing game.
It increases the amount of TDs your team will score so you will win more. This guy is going to score a lot of points. It will more than make up any small thing we lost by drafting mayfield instead of rosen or darnold. Hell you never know ROsen's injury history might have him slide right down to us at 4.
Great. None of those things are worth giving up the chance to get the QB you want.
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