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We've seen how we have fared when drafting leftovers at the QB position. You get your guy at #1 and don't look back.

my biggest concern: there is no consensus top QB. Every "expert" or media outlet touts someone else. It makes me very nervous that we'll take Mayfield and Darnold will be a stud, or we'll take Rosen and he'll be too slight, or we'll take Allen and Rosen will be the next QB ... etc

That's a legit concern and with our luck I could see it happening. If we don't sign Cousins, and I don't think we will, we should stay at #1 and take whomever our FO feels is the best QB. Why trade it away and help another team? Especially Denver. We have enough picks let's start taking the best players.

I think there is one qb who is far above the others and at the end of the process, that guy will be on the top of most boards. I think the media is playing around w/the rankings to create interest. There are reasons why some of these guys do over 20 mocks.

There are rumors of a bunch of Seahawks being on the trade block.

What would people on here be willing to give up for Earl Thomas?

who do you think vers? Darnold?

Not to throw a kink in things, and it’s not my opinion on the matter, but what if Rosen just isn’t Dorsey’s guy? What if Chubb, Barkley, Darnold, or even Allen is the guy Dorsey wants, what do we do at one then?

Vers likes Rosen.

oh yea , lol !.. Look , Vers is sold absolutely on this man Rosen .. A bunch of Dawgs are all over Darnold too .. There is Swish on Lamar and some are intrigued with Mayfield .. There are a handful of us on the Allen bandwagon .. The Board seems to be a microcosm of the Press at this point ..
Draft day is going to be interesting to say the least !

1 rosen
2 Barkley
3 chub
If that happens I’m letting Denver and jets fight over darnold, or rosen if we go darnold.
But ONLY w those two teams. Imagine convincing Denver to give us something. Tell em jets wanna jump up for him. Drop to 5 and still get Fitzpatrick

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I havent studied enough on the subject, I just know that I do not want Jackson, Mayfield, or Allen

Did you let Dorsey know?

well, I was the bum on the street who told Haslam to draft Manziel, so

Did you say to Haslem, “here hold my beer” first?

Don't do that! That thief would steal it!

If you take the RB at #1 you better be prepared to get your 3rd rated QB at #4. Don't pass on the franchise QB.

Michael Bennett?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ign=Twitter_atn

I would trade for him. An edge rusher like, who can play inside, for a good number of snaps is very valuable.

While we're at it, I'd be all over Tyrann Mathieu.

He will end up in Atlanta - with Dan Quinn. Bank on it.

That would be my guess too. I was thinking about it in a vacuum. Would I want Michael Bennett on my team? Yes.

Yeah, that's the assumption I think

I forget the person who mentioned the possibility of Earl Thomas, but looking like Seattle going to get something done with him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/05/report-earl-thomas-in-seahawks-plans-for-2018/

John Clayton was actually the one to first hypothesize him to CLE, but I figured SEA wouldn't part with him

I think that's a realistic scenario - and then add in Mayfield and Minkah as two possibilities of players Dorsey *might* covet. Less likely but possible. . . . that's where the discussion and controversy comes in about the option to trade out of the #1 pick. If, for example, Allen is *the* guy - one line of thought is to simply take your guy. Don't risk losing him. The other is to look at where that guy is likely to get picked if the Browns don't take him at #1. If Allen might drop to 8-9-10 or further. Wouldn't it make sense to drop to 5 or 6 knowing that you have the 4th pick in the draft too - so only 4 or possibly 5 other players will come off the board at that point?

Or - the other possible scenario is that someone like Barclay is graded significantly above any other player in the draft - and Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield/Allen all have similar grades and no clear cut "THE" guy. In that scenario - is it better to get the player you think is the best player in the draft and then "settle" for the best QB at 4 ... worst case you get your 3rd rated QB out of a closely evaluated QB group. Or do you say the QB is THE most important position bar none - and you have to take who you think is the best QB even if they are only marginally rated better than the next 2 QB's on your board ... and then at #4 you take BPA but they are graded significantly behind Barclay.

I don't know that it's ever been proven - but I really feel like Sashi wanted to take Patrick Mahomes last year with our (12?) pick but got beaten to the punch by KC when KC jumped to 10 ... that wasn't expected and the Browns lost out on the QB i feel they coveted. Even if Dorsey likes Allen or Mayfield and thinks they should slide - If another team did what KC did last year and jump up to 2 or 3 to take our target, how screwed are we. What's the perceived drop off to the next QB?

It's going to be a fun draft - sure to leave some folks hoping mad and others happy.

Teams use their Vertical and Horizontal boards to make their picks and trades. It's not as mysterious as some want to believe.

Agreed - I don't think there is any dispute from anyone on that. Where players and positions are ranked obviously is down to opinion.

I think my post is more about how teams might or might not evaluate trades. Is there a hard and fast and simple explanation of how a trade is evaluated? I don't know of one and I think it depends on other teams coveting a player available more than the team that holds the next pick ... and then the team trading out of that spot trying to determine what player/value is going to fall to them in their new draft slots.

It's my understanding that teams use their Horizontal boards more when considering trades. I think the boards [especially the use of the Horizontal board] vary from team to team a bit. I am most familiar w/the V and H boards used by guys like Belichick, Ozzie, the dude in Atl, etc. It's the one that makes the most sense to me.

Back to the trades and the Horizontal board for a moment. I think a good example would be a couple of years ago when the Titans had the first overall pick and had drafted Mariota the year before. The Rams desperately needed a franchise qb and that worked for both teams in regards to their Horizontal board. The Eagles were in a similar situation as the Rams were and moved to 2. What's puzzling is that the Browns did not have their franchise QB like Tennessee did. I think that was a rare trade and while 3 teams used their Horizontal boards, I don't think the Browns necessarily did.

I don't know if any of that made sense or not? I don't feel I am doing a good job of explaining it.

Yes - makes sense to me. I know exactly what you mean. Mariota and the Titans was a good example.

Nick Foles price tag, a first round pick by reports:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-for-nick-foles

Uh, no thanks.

Thanks. I wasn't sure if I was making it more clear or was providing more confusion. LOL

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With Michael Bennett headed to Philadelphia, the Eagles now can explore a potential trade of DE Vinny Curry.

That is very little for a very good player.

Once again the Eagles, and their lawyer GM, are taking advantage of an undervalued player acquisition avenue.

WOW .. thats giving him away ... and the seahags trading him to them MAKES NO SENSE TO ME ... why would they trade him to what is IMO the best team in football BY FAR in their own conference ....

Damm man ... i wonder if something’s wrong with Bennett ... i cant believe they didn’t get more for him ..

This type of trade happens every off-season. With all our picks we should really taking advantage of the trade market. We could give up several picks and still have double the draft capital of the next closest team.

delete pls, on bases of being an idiot...

I think you misread the title.