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I think the Colts will take Chubb after NYG takes Barkley

Our scenario will be: either take Fitzpatrick, Nelson, or trade back to a team wanting to jump Denver

Normally, I like to write something fluffy to start an article, paint a picture, set up something for later. Not this time. If the Cleveland Browns don’t land Kirk Cousins in free agency then they must draft a quarterback with the first pick of the draft. It’s freaking wrong that people are hammering the desk for the Browns to draft Penn State running back Saquon Barkley with the first pick.

If you were drafting an entire starting roster for your team — 22 starting football players, 11 on offense and 11 on defense — you’d pick a running back at around 15. They aren’t as important as other positions on a 2018 NFL team. You know what is important? The quarterback. The quarterback would be drafted first overall, every single time.

And to be clear, I’m talking about a draft strategy for the Browns, not arguing who is the better overall talent, because in this case it doesn’t matter. An average quarterback is more valuable than an elite running back in 2018, and the Browns have passed on drafting that player in the last two drafts. In 2016, they passed on Carson Wentz and settled for Cody Kessler. Last year, they passed on multiple quarterbacks, including Deshaun Watson and settled for Deshone Kizer.

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When you have the top pick in the draft, you don’t settle for a player at the most important position in sports. So here is the spirit of my point. The risk of passing on drafting the quarterback the team loves at No. 1 isn’t worth the reward of drafting Barkley.

Teams typically fall in love with one quarterback. If the Browns love Baker Mayfield and think to themselves, “well, he will probably be there at four,” that has no merit anymore. In recent memory, we have routinely seen teams trade up for the quarterback they want to be their franchise centerpiece. The Rams and Eagles did it in 2016 to get Jared Goff and Wentz. The Bears and Chiefs did it in 2017 to get Mitch Trubisky and Pat Mahomes.

So let’s say the Browns draft Barkley at one with the intention of drafting Mayfield at four. The Giants, who seem interested in drafting Barkley as well, now feel comfortable trading out of two. Here come the Broncos and they draft Mayfield. Oops, now the QB you love is gone, and you must settle for another guy at four.

How has settling for a second or third choice at quarterback the last two years worked for them? The Browns need to stop settling.

Of course there’s no guarantee the Browns drafting a quarterback at one will succeed. They could fall into Barkley at one, and the quarterback they love at four. It’s possible, but it’s risky and still doesn’t make a sound draft strategy for a team trying to overcome one win in its last two seasons.

I went into even more detail about the idea of the Browns drafting Barkley with the No. 1 pick, and why they can’t afford to do it, in a Periscope video on Monday afternoon. You can see that right here.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/6/17084512/2018-nfl-draft-rumors-saquon-barkley-browns-first-overall

We take Barkley or Chubb. Bark, Chubb, and Fitz are better players than any of the QB's. Got to go best player since there are several QBs who are good players and all rate about the same.

Then both the Giants and Indy trade down. The Jets and Broncos move up. That means 3 QBs go in a row. We get one of Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen.

I am good with that.

The problem with us trading out of #1 is we might end up with the 4th best QB, and I am not good with that.


Note....this assumes we have all 3 QBs rated as solid pro prospects at the end of the day. If only two are rated that way, or one of them has clearly separated above the others, then take the QB at #1.

I don't think NY HAS to get a QB. Manning has another year maybe two left. Last year was a fluke with the coach they had, and I think they are more than happy to grab a QB in second and let Manning continue to play this year.

I think they take SB at 2

Both of them are not going to trade down, they are not the Browns, and realize you have to make picks and get top talent to get better....

Indy has a lot of holes on Def - I expect them to take an edge rusher.

Giants are taking SB or a QB.

Still wishing you the best in your recovery!!!!!!

As for #4, factoring the goal to make a big positive splash impact - Minkah is definitely the player to take. With him lurking in the backfield and basically anchoring it, this gives us so much. QBS will have to hold that ball for an extra second or two, the time for an Ogbah to complete his rush. They'll have to squeeze into tighter windows and if Minkah is around the ball, man it's almost a play on the ball or INT made.

Sure, there's a ton of elite talent likely to be available on offense. But, using Barkely for exmaple - I think it's better as a WHOLE team on route for improvement to add a needed QB and needed FS than a needed QB and needed RB. In the grand scheme of things and how RBs that can get the job done are usually available, it seems like the way to go for the success of the entire team! JMO

Glad your gettin Bailed out !

I an just thrilled with the possibility of having the pick from your list .. Not to be a fence sitter , but we can use any or all , lol .. I guess I could be Romeo and flip a coin .

Probably not, but, both the Jets and Broncos might look to trade up.

It's a good draft for us to have the assets that we do... it can easily be a crappy draft if we continue to bomb on those high round picks.

tbh I don't even see Chubb as a top 5 pick and I'm not sure he's the best edge rusher in the draft. I'd rather have Harold Landry tbh.

I see both those teams going FA QB route, as they have always in the recent past. Denver is ready and built to win now.

The jets can make the case for a rookie, but again I feel like they think with a QB now they are ready to win and will go hard after FA.

I guess just about anything is a possibility at this point.

No doubt free agency can change a lot of things....our team included.

absolutely. I think that is something a lot of posters are not taking into effect yet. We are not going to be complacent in FA this year like we have in past.

Yeah, we need to get through free agency to understand what each roster looks across the NFL looks like.

I want to start an "assuming the Browns don't trade the 1 & 4 picks, who are the players you want and then who you think they'll take" thread. Obviously, a QB is coming our way, but which one and that QB could be selected at #4 too (unlikely).

The non-QB selection, most likely at #4, could be Barkley, Chubb or Fitzpatrick.

It might be a fun challenge.

EO, glad to hear you are doing better. Still have you in my prayers. I agree with you on picking the QB we want #1. The Giants and Colts may not stay at #2 and #3. They could trade out to whatever team needs a QB. In that scenario, which is plausible, we could miss out on the QB we want if we wait until #4. The only way it works for us is if we have 3 QB's rated exactly the same and we don't care who falls to #4. That scenario doesn't seem likely. I say we take the QB we like best at #1 and hope SB is there at #4.

J/C

we always say the QB is most important position in football. Why? Its because he has his hand on the ball basically 100% of the time.

Going by that logic, I never understood why the RB position has been so devalued.....you either run or pass. Even if you pass 60% of the time, your running back is handling the ball the second most on the team, and in our offense (if you take run and rec) he is absolutely the second most important player on offense.

CBS Sports has a mock where we trade out of 4 with the Dolphins.

What do we get, and who do we take?

2018 NFL Mock Draft: Dolphins trade up for Josh Rosen; two freak defenders in Top 10 - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news...ders-in-top-10/

1. Cleveland Browns
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming. At the end of combine week there was some buzz about Saquon Barkley going to the Browns at No. 1 overall, but it was hard -- or should I say impossible -- to find anyone who thought the Browns would pick any quarterback other than Allen. GM John Dorsey traded up for Patrick Mahomes, the signal-caller with the strongest arm in last year's draft. He gets the strongest-armed quarterback again in Allen.



11. Cleveland Browns (via mock trade)
Minkah Fitzpatrick, DB, Alabama. The Browns netted this pick, the Dolphins' 2018 second-rounder, the Dolphins' second fourth-round selection and a 2019 third-round pick in the trade and still land a top-tier prospect in Fitzpatrick, a "slot safety" with plenty of athleticism to shoulder multiple responsibilities in Cleveland.


Man, I am not sure about Allen there, but the trading #4 overall for that package would be almost too good to be true.

As long as we get the QB that we "feel" is right for Haley's system and draft Minkah, I don't really care what do, or don't. The options when you think about it though... we have lots of leverage and routes to take.

I care what we do with the QB pick because I've seen one FO after another continue to fail at addressing the position. I don't want to see that again.

Like I said, as long as we get the guy we feel is right for Haley's system, snag Minkah ... then the first round job is completed IMO. I wouldn't care if we made a trade or not, as long as we get the QB we want for us, and Minkah.

I didn't mean to portray I didn't care what we do from the get go/start.

Kizer lost the Browns many a game....but so did the defense...does Barkley at one and Fitz at 4 make the team better for a 2nd year Kizer???

No.

Tab get well bro.

Take your QB at #1. At 4 you will have one of the top 3 QBs or you have Barkley sitting there. I like Guice Better and in either situation, I trade down. Teams will be desperate for this pick.

I do not want to trade either 1 or 4. and i don't think Dorsey will either. He has said many times "we need players" to some extent. You don't get players by trading down.

Well, you actually get MORE players... the question comes in if they're worth a damn or not.

But I knew what you meant, just being a goof!

Dolphins get Browns 1.#4 (1,800) Browns get Dolphins 1. #11 (1,250) 2. #42 (480) 4. #131 (45) Next Years 3rd ... IMO Not even Close, Point Wise Yes, But I Would Make Them Pay To Move 7 Spots ... This Years #11 and #42 and Next Years #1 or Tell Them To Take A Hike ... JMHO

In theory, I wouldn't mind trading down a couple spots. We need players, but if a team wants to panic and give a bunch to move up only a couple spots, I could oblige them. My only hangup is if there is a specific guy that I want that I risk losing out on by trading down.

ex. if we're sitting at 4, and a team in the top 10 wants to trade and we would be losing out on both Barkley AND Minkah (since those are my 2 can't-miss guys), then I don't think I'd trade.

I think you need to put the trade value chart away. It doesn't mean much.


You just said a fair value trade by the chart should be thrown out. Some years you can get way more, others, way less. It is all driven by demand. It's not driven by a chart.

If there is really a QB they love that much then they should take Saquan at one and the move up from #4 to #2. It's only two spots and at worst it cost them a few second rounders or maybe a future first. If they love the QB that much they can make the trade.

The reason you take Saquan first is because the Giants want him a lot more than a QB heir. So if Saquan is gone they will be more likely to trade down.

No matter what our top priority should be saquan at 1 and either trade up to 2 or sit and wait at 4 for a QB. No matter what there will be a good QB for us at #4.

My dream is that we take our QB at 1, and either Denver or the Jets, or both, want to move up to #4 for their QB.

Lamar at 4

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.Relax, just messin' w/you.

I like lamar on tape but I don't know if I can handle the way he sounds when he talks. He sounds very stupid or high or both. I know it's probably not true but that is the impression I get when he does interviews and it gives me a nagging concern about his intelligence. I know it's terrible of me but I can't help shake it off. Does anyone on here share in my guilt?

Even with all of that I think he will be a good QB in the NFL once they fix his footwork.

Lamar had a ton of issues reading a playbook and almost quit as a Freshman at Louisville

Definitely a reason to draft him later in round 2 or 3 and let him sit the bench on a stable team and then let him play once he is caught up.

You have to be very careful when assigning speech patterns and equating that to intelligence.

Some of the most intelligent dudes I have ever known were inner city dudes and some rednecks and none of them sounded intelligent.

Assigning labels is not cool.

Yeah, I know that which is why I feel bad about it. But I have also seen a lot of boys who talk like that who had issues too. I mean i lived in ohio and mississippi for a good 13-15 years each so I have seen a lot when it comes to voices. Like I said I feel guilty over it but I just can't seem to shake it. It's like an alarm bell going off or something.