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How do you know they all agreed to pass on him? I don't believe you do. All we know for sure is who had the final say.

There might have been someone who disagreed, but it was an organizational decision to pass on him.

And that's pretty much what I was indicating. We don't know who it was who agreed and who disagreed. That doesn't mean I'm sticking up for anyone. It simply means we don't know.

TomAtoes, tomatoes, imo...

who had final say?

Sashi Brown

Five things to know about Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta running the Browns

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...ning-the-browns

I won't go back and scour through every post, but has anyone denied the fact that Sashi didn't have final say of the roster?

In fact, I think many people on here like what he has done (I'm sure you can see this by reading this thread), for the most part with the roster decisions in under two years after a complete tear down, WHILE now having the most cap space by a mile and WHILE having 6 picks in the top 65. I'll re-write that.....

....6 picks in the top 65.

Are there holes? Damn right, there are still holes to fill. Were there personnel mistakes? Yup. With any team, there always are. Hopefully this draft will continue the effort to fill the many holes we had when the last regime took over. But the larger picture has me liking what he and his team did even with positions still needing attention. He was supposedly allowed time to make a plan but was lied to by Haslem with the PR power struggle campaign executed by Hue. And that's unfortunate, really.

What some people don't like to recognize & choose to plug their ears and stomp their feet about, and where I put the most blame on Sashi, is relying on Hue for the QB in his decision making process. Because he did. Hue had a very large voice, especially early on with the future QB. And if people choose to blindly disregard that, well, that's fine but I'll continue to bring it up. RG3, Kessler, not wanting Wentz, etc. played a large part in the decision making. And it's not just Sashi that has done this. For far too long, we've relied on a HC's input on personnel decisions-- Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel (Ngata or Wimbley), Mangini, Holmgren (even though he wasn't HC at the time, he was always a HC), etc. I've talked about this many times before. This is a much larger issue for me, and not just as it pertains to Sashi, DePo, or whomever. It continues to ring true as a problem regime after regime.

Multiple times it was said how much Hue would have a voice in QBs. Even in the article you provided:



There are several other quotes from articles referencing Hue's impact on QB. Everyone has said this-- from Haslem, Brown, reporters like the one above, and even Hue himself. So yes, blame is on Sashi for not having a QB, I got no problem with that. But Hue's input/opininon on getting (or not getting) a QB was a huge part of the problem.

There’s a lot of factors that go into a 1-31 record, and Sashi wasn’t the only one to blame, he just became the scapegoat.

And if we had that QB, Sashi would still be here. I'm sure everyone in the room gave their input, but that doesn't mean anyone actually acted upon that input.

So far I haven't seen one real impact player over the past two years that has been drafted. I mean you can't judge players this early and there have been a few that have been above average at their positions, but nothing outstanding.

That's what the new FO has to address, Real players. Dorsey stated it and it's my sig. I know that doesn't fit your agenda but sometimes reality bites.

Sashi left us in great shape in regards to the cap and draft picks, but let's not try to oversell his accomplishments.

You use "agenda" to insult the post. I've asked you this before and you never respond, but I'll try again:

What's my agenda?

to put up another pic beside the one you got of heckert in your house? bahahaha

One thing we do know, winning games isn't a reason why Hue is here.

Sashi produced one of the worst teams in the history of the nfl. I'm not thankful for that. I'm glad he is gone. He tore it down, but didn't have a plan for getting better. He did more harm then good.

yep.. so must be what haslem and the new gm think.

The plan was to hit rock bottom in order to get better.. Well, last season was supposed to be slightly better, a 3 or 4 win season.
However, it was not Sashi idea to name Kizer. It was Hue, (the "QB guru"), the one who believed he could make magic with the young QB, a raw talent not ready for the NFL, and no veterans like McCown. It was Hue the one who did not change and simplify his offense to help him. Let me add terrible time management, horrible decisions, like abandoning the run game many times when it was working...
Maybe he could have been a good OC in Cincy, but IMO, a terrible head coach. Lets hope he can prove me wrong and become a "CEO coach" and let Haley work.

maybe.. but funny how jt said oswiler was the starting qb after he was talking to hue

Agreed. That's the thing that a lot of people are missing. There were plenty of established veterans on this team when he took over two years ago. We've probably had (and used) the most draft power in the league the last two years*, add to that the players we did sign in free agency and the fact that people are defending 0-16 is actually hard to comprehend.

*2016: 15, 32, 65, 76, 93, 99, 114, 129, 138, 154, 168, 172, 173, 250

2017: 1, 25, 29, 52, 65, 126, 160, 185, 224, 252

The only hint of an impact player from those picks (Garrett) was the consensus best player by pretty much everybody, and was drafted #1 with the Browns own pick.

Having the most cap space and draft picks in the history of the league seems like a plan for getting better.

It doesn't matter how many picks you have if you can't turn those into talent.

We'll never know how successful Sashi Brown's would have been in the 2018 draft, but I think in a couple of years we'll be grateful for the picks he made in 2016 and 2017.

Ogunjobi looked very promising last year, Schobert was a Pro Bowl player, Ogbah was very good until the injury, Kindred, Devalve, and Drango all look pretty decent.

Not saying Sashi was great, but he wasn't bad drafting and stockpiling picks. The mistake was passing on Wentz.

sounds like a expansion team to me lol

Which is basically what we were after Ray Farmer whiffed on three first round picks in two years (all time whiffs too, not just the normal whiffs we usually have).

That is coachings job. I don't think sashi's plan was to go win less least season, and we shouldn't have. We should have won at least 2-3 games. It's not that hard to stumble in to a few wins a season.

More like apples and oranges.

It's possible. Sashi's drafted players have only been in the league 1 and 2 seasons, and it's often said you can't judge a draft for 3 years.

j/c


I think there are still some who are confused what Sashi's role was with the team. He wasn't the talent evaluator, he relied on the people he hired or help hire, including Hue, to find the players for this team. The people who found these players are still here, for now.

Sashi wasn't the GM in the traditional sense of the term/position but he was most likely the closest thing we had. When Sashi was hired he was also going to hire a GM. I'm guessing that's where Berry came in play and the two of them composed the traditional GM role.

The plan was never to lose. Going 0-16 want three plan, going 4-12 want the plan. The plan never really had much to do with the record, it wad about player development and gaining experience. I believe there are articles out there where Sashi and Haslam have said this.

The plan was actually working, but the problem became Hue was tired of losing and he took a stand that many bought into, that the losing wasn't his fault.

The players here aren't talentless. And despite this claim that Sashi was fired because he didn't find a QB, Quarterbacks were brought in here. Kessler, Hogan, Osweiler, RG3, and Kizer are all quarterbacks.

And I would be willing to bet that the quarterback position was planned on to be addressed in the 2018 draft. At this point we would have much better football "base" and we would turn the corner in year 3. Sashi and Haslam both said this. Problem is Haslam has an itchy trigger finger.

Saying if we had a quarterback Sashi would still be here... No. If Hue had won some games Sashi would still be here.

You keep saying that but lack the evidence to support it.

He probably read his job description. Did you?

Yes. Head coach. We hired FO people and a scouting staff too. You guys really crack me up. The only type coaches that have say in the draft are people like Andy Reid, Parcels and Belichick. Yet you want people to believe some BS like Hue was pulling the strings.

Your shtick doesn't really convince anyone.

That is simply a bunch of BS. Most coaches have a say in the draft and it is just a matter of extent. GM's like to keep their jobs too and can't win games if they can't fill their coaches needs. I'm getting double teamed here because I am arguing with both of your IQ points.

You are more than holding your own, it seems...

Having a say at the time of the draft has nothing to do with having control over who is picked. A lot of people in the room have a say, the HC,the scouting department, the GM, or head of player personnel (that pretty much describes whose in charge doesn't it? lol).

Then you have one person who takes all of those opinions and feelings from all those sources and makes the final decision. That person isn't Hue.

Thanks for the laugh on this cold, snowy day.

Now think....

Think real hard...

Close your eyes if that helps...

Did you just admit that Hue had a say in the draft?

Was this not what you said a minute a go?

Hue's buddy already said Hue did not want Wentz at #2 and he tells his buddy everything including the team's dirty laundry.

You are so completely full of it, you're neck deep in the outhouse right now.

They're the only HC's who actually control the picks.

So you are now saying that Hue had a say in the draft? That's a bit different than what you have been saying.

Are you saying that you are upset that Hue wasn't both coach and GM?

Are you saying that Sashi should have been fired because he didn't just sit there and let Hue make all the picks?

That would be a scary thing for me since we almost traded a 2nd and a 3rd for a couple of months rental of AJ McCarron.

I don't think that you are even sure what your argument is right now.

You have been claiming Hue was both all along. lmao



You seem to act like Hue did make the picks.



You blame Hue for the QB decision as though he was the one who had final say on drafting QB's. I say that's not true.

I hope that clears up your confusion. lol

thanks sashi!!!!!!!!!!!