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Tyrod Taylor got benched for a guy that ended up throwing 5 picks in a game...

What's going to happen when he's starting in front of a #1 pick?

I don't mind TT as a bridge QB. We didn't give up a ton for him. I sure as heck would take him any day over AJ McCarron. I'm not a fan of giving up on Kizer so quick though.

Bucky Brooks just said on NFL Network that only Rodgers and Brady have a higher TD/INT ratio than Taylor.

Looking at this from where I sit. I had wondered who we were going to get at QB. It was said we needed an experienced QB.

We missed out on Smith. We weren't going to land Cousins. McCarron + Kizer + rookie still isn't a lot of experience. We needed something. I'm not surprised by this move one bit. I suppose we could have after Bradford, Bridgewater, or Keenum but after that, there weren't a lot of options.

I'm excited as I hope this is a sign of the future in drafting Mayfield.

I agree.



Maybe Dorsey doen't want to chuck it down the field simply to chuck it down the field like Hue did.


This could be Hues wake up call, but Hue isn't calling plays anymore. We are going with Hhaley's verbage and book. Maybe Haley wanted TT??

28 when you add in his fumbles.

You may not be wrong.

And he only had 4 INT with a below average set of WR

And he had Buffalo in the playoffs.

Landry and Tyrod a match made in heaven?

One doesn't catch passes over 2 yds and one doesn't throw over 2 yds. Haha, that's jokes... but Landry could catch 200.

For 400...

Hopefully not the same mistake the Bills made - throwing a rookie in before he's ready. All that game proved was that Taylor was far more important than the Bills thought.

We've got a golden opportunity to allow a rookie to take some time to ensure we maximize his chances of success. Not throwing him in before he's ready. Not forcing him in to a situation in which struggles should be, but won't be, reasonably expected.

I'd be disappointed if we added an efficient and effective stopgap only to still thrust a rookie in to playing time. 2018 isn't that important nor pressing when considering a quarterback reaching his potential can set a team up as a contender for the 15-ish years after his rookie season.

I am happy with us getting Taylor. Is he a perfect, long term starter? Probably not. Can he play in miserable weather, and play reasonably well until the rook is ready? Yep. I wish it has been slightly lower than a 3rd, but I am OK with this deal.

It won't be 200.....maybe 120

Two things that are good about the trade for Tyrod Taylor. !. It opens up the no. one pick for Barkley. And 2. We get rid of Kizer. I'm not sold on Tyrod Taylor but We can draft a QB at the number 4 spot or the safety everyone is so high on. Kizer to Green Bay is a surprise to me, what do they want with him?

Kizer's NFL ceilng is Matt Cassel.

Matt Cassel the walking pick 6.

Let's trade Taylor to the Fins for Kenny Stills and sign Cassel!

kidding!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/tyrod-taylor-7899/

$16m one year deal basically.

I don't think that Taylor changes us taking the best QB at 1 at all. I cannot see us taking any other position at #1 overall but the QB. I believe that there may well be some movement at 2 and/or 4, where teams want to move up for their QB, (and it wouldn't really surprise me to see the Giants stick and take their guy at #2)There could be 2 QB off the board by #4, if we take a different position, and missing out=r guy like that would be the most Browns thing to do. Thankfully I don't think that our new brain trust will make that kind of blunder.

I do think that 4 could be a hugely valuable pick for us. 2 teams right behind us could be looking for a QB who is available at 4 ....... and we might just add a bunch of picks just to move down a spot or 2.

If anything, I think it cements our taking a QB at 1.

At least the top 4. If Chubb is in their zone, they have to go after him at #1. He'll not make it past the Colts.

Colts should go Nelson at #3 (if Luck is their long term guy) but I get your thinking.

I think signing a serviceable QB that many still think has some unexplored upside might signal Barkley at #1 and Allen at #4. Signing a McCown would almost definitely mean we were drafting Rosen or Darnold at #1, TT - not so much. Allen will be there at #4.

Tyrod and Allen look an awful lot like Alex smith and Pat Mahomes...

Taylor wasn't my first choice but I have to say it is a smart move. We needed an experienced QB (who can win games) and waiting for free agency would be very dangerous. The risk of getting shut out of the QB sweepstakes is high.

The Bills are now desperate for a QB (unless they think Peterman is the guy). They certainly have plenty of ammunition to move way up (Nos. 21, 22, 53, 56, 65 and 96)

I say Darnold is there at 4.
1.SB(if they do choose)
2. NYG-Rosen
3.IND- Chubb
Darnold is here at four.

If we go Darnold at 1 then at 2 or 3 SB goes.

Not a huge advocate at RB at 1 but SB and Darnold would be quite the haul.

I think it was a good move. TT had a good season and his lifetime stats are decent. He won't be our franchise QB he is a bridge QB.

You are hopeless. I have no idea how you can have so much hate in your heart.

I am not a huge T. Taylor fan, but it might not be a terrible move.

My thoughts on him:

Strengths:

--Takes care of the ball
--Athletic
--Tough as nails
--Solid character

Concerns:
--Inaccurate on deeper throws
--Not a big playmaker in the passing game
--Holds the ball too long
--Abandons pocket early at times

I think he might be a very good bridge qb and I do prefer him over AJ. I am a bit disappointed because that probably means we draft a guy like Darnold or Allen instead of Rosen.

That part sucks.

It might make it so - drafting Rosen - but I dunno. I think whomever we got as a bridge QB, our rookie wasn't gonna start year one (unless it's late in the year and we're out of it and the starter isn't playing well.

I don't get the fixation on having to start a QB right away. People think that they can't possibly learn sitting on the bench? It's not like it hurt Drew Brees, or Phillip Rivers, or Kirk Cousins, or Aaron Rodgers, or Tom Brady ...

It's not a fixation. It's a fact that QBs that are drafted that high don't sit out. I provided a list of qbs from the last ten years that were drafted in the top 3 and not one of them sat an entire year, never mind 2-3 years.

And Cosell said the same thing in the video you supposedly listened to.

Again, it is not a fixation. It's reality.

Yes, I see your point. But this is a complicated situation lol. Tyrod isn't a long-term commitment, at this point, and if we draft a QB high, that guy will likely start, at worst, in 2019.

I pretty much agree with that assessment except for:


The stats for this get skewed for running QB's.

I know Rosen is supposedly the more NFL ready - and you know I want to draft him - but that doesn't mean a year on the bench, learning, won't help him.

Just another case of the Browns being smarter than everybody else. You can tell by their record the last 2 years how smart they are.
I think they're setting up to draft Mayfield at 4. Who better to train a miget than another miget? After Mayfield bust out and Darnol balls out Dorsey and the rest of the front office will move on to wherever and we will still be the Browns.

What was the matter with Bradford? Maybe we could have got a year o part of a year out of him. He would be a good bridge for Darnol. We have been looking for a QB since Bernie and now a lot of guys on here are saying Draft Barkly. Barkly and Mayfield. GMAFB

And, in spite of this, it was a bad year for him.

He was a much better quarterback when he was throwing to Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and Marquise Goodwin; All of whom had a significant impact on their respective new teams.

*Trigger Warning - Stats*

Across the 2015 and 2016 seasons, Tyrod Taylor had 37 touchdowns to 12 interceptions. Both years he completed passes over 60% with 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing years. Additional 10 rushing touchdowns, 13 total fumbles - with 9 of those fumbles coming in his first year as a starting quarterback. He's had 8 fumbles in total across '16 and '17.

That's remarkable. He's obviously not a franchise quarterback, but that's greater productivity and efficiency that one reasonably expects from a stop-gap.

I think a legitimate case could be made that the Browns realistically offer the best situation Taylor has ever been in. Gordon and Landry are an incredible pairing. Duke Johnson is one of the best receiving backs in the league. David Njoku could be phenomenal if he develops as we hope. The Browns have plenty left to build upon.

The Bills underrated Taylor. They let his weapons go but then blamed him for the struggles that followed. They quit on him, but then had to reluctantly put him back if after seeing just how bad the offense was without him.

Could be a really fun year for the Browns. I won't be surprised if we get the more productive version of Taylor.

PFF's metrics for QBs in the division:


3rd


19th

23rd




Tyrod
12th ranked:


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http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/qualified/false_1

ESPN QBR:

Rothlisberger 6th - 63.2

Flacco 23rd - 43.0

Dalton 25th - 41.1

Tyrod 14th - 52.7