DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft The case for Saquon Barkley

Trent is one o the picks we should regret less... The pick was good, the player not so much.

I don't think GM and HC took heat on that one... You have to take risks, and sometimes they don't pan out.

The problem is when you trade out, just not to make a decision and cover your back... like most of our picks here in Cleveland..

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-first-overall/

Kind of an interesting, weird and etc of an article... snippet:

http://www.startribune.com/vikings-open-to-trading-down-but-not-too-far/140246273/

From Nathan Zegura:



https://twitter.com/NathanZegura/status/972189737225281536

"His size-speed ratio is great," Mayock said. "He's got tremendous feet for his size, really good balance and good vision."

and good vision."


































and good vision."

There are many different types of teams that have won superbowls just as there have been many different types of QBs.

There is no "1" way to build a championship team. And its spurious logic to point to a particular model as a rule.

There are so many different ways to look at this scenario. You can look at bust rate vs success rate, relative positional importance, you can look at what round SB winning QBs have been drafted etc etc ad nauseam.

I believe it takes a complete team to win a SB. Offense, defense and special teams. It takes so many elements coaching/personnel/scheme/ownership. I know people like to boil it down to "franchise QB(high 1st round pick)" = SB but if that was all it took then winning a SB would be easy.

As say all that to say there are is no one set formula.

If they like a QB head and shoulders above the other QBs then they take the QB at pick 1.

The FO might have the top QBs rated equally and they could rate Barkley higher then all of them.

The FO might get a QB they like via FA.

With Laundry acquired, Gordon/Coleman wide and L in slot, I'd love to see SB in backfield off tackle, up middle, or taking a flare pass...no more falling over your feet with Throat Slasher....GO Browns!!!!

Right now, a Super Bowl contender is pie in the sky thinking. You need a QB. You take a QB.

You will not win until you have a QB. It is that easy.

Looks like Dorsey wants to win now. I like that. Barclay would help Taylor. I now look for Barclay at #1 and Mayfield at #4. Just a feeling I'm getting.

If we go SB @1, Giants go Rosen @2, Colts Chubb @ 4 (or the lineman) Darnold sits at 4.

Barkley at 1 and Mayfield at 4.

I don't think so. I think it's QB at 1 no matter what. Mayfield or Darnold. The 2 and 3 picks could easily go QB. Why risk getting your third choice for a RB? Bad idea

I'll reply why, SB could easily be All Day 2, and if no QB jumps out as best...why not....our GM says he'll take best player available and MANY sites have SB as the best of the best....GO Browns!!!! I like Allen at 4.

What's the furthest "All Day" has been in the playoffs?

Give me a franchise QB any day of the week over Adrian Peterson.

Evaluate the quarterbacks and make the tough decision. Decide which is the best. Pick them. At the fourth pick, choose Barkley, Chubb, or Fitz (or, if the value is there, trade down).

Mayfield will be there at 4, without a doubt in my mind.

OCD we FINALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING!

Would you mind explaining?

I dont see NYG taking him over Rosen, Allen, or Darnold.

I see NYG taking Darnold with a big smile on their face if we take SB.

I see Indy being a wildcard - with them either drafting Def or trading out. If they trade out, it would be with Den who will trade up for Allen. John Elway loves a big arm and Allen has the best in the draft. That leaves Baker at 4.

lol, I see a lot of speculation. First, no explanation why Darnold goes to the Giants (just a smile on their face?)

So other teams are going to jump on QBs over Mayfield and we just sit there and settle for the other team’s left over? Good plan. If you’re going to let other teams dictate who will settle for, QB is the position where you do that.

Darnold is considered the best qb by many. others have rosen as the most pro ready. I see NY with a smile on their face to get darnold who will have the opportunity to sit behind Manning for a year. yes, they will be smiling.

I am glad my "speculation" is funny to you. Please sir, explain to me how ANYTHING is not speculation at this point, since the draft has not happened yet? Unless you are Dorsey, ANYTHING you say will be speculation as well, no? Or is your opinion so godly that it has to be true?

I think if we were to draft barkley at 1, it's very possible that 3-4 teams could trade up to 3 for Mayfield. Broncos, Jets, Dolphins, and Cardinals have all been linked to him and seem enamored with him. They know we want him at 4, that makes the 3 pick very valuable and a potential trade up spot to get ahead of us.

Mayfield is also considered the best QB by many. I think it's risky to assume he will be there at 4. If that's your guy take him at 1.

First, just because someone is drafted ahead of someone, does not mean they are the best QB. You show me #1 picks and i can show you countless others drafted after them that have had better careers. FACT.

I am saying this - because i believe AND YES IT IS MY OPINION - that dorsey likes mayfield more than the others.

So yes, he will sit and let others take Darnold and Allen.

Dorsey told us today he dont care about BM height. If he did, we wouldnt have traded TT.

Dorsey also is VERY brash, and has attitude. I wonder who that reminds me off in the draft?

Dorsey likes pocket passers that can move in the pocket - hmmmmmm sounds like BM to me.

Everything about mayfield screams dorsey.

Who has the goods to move up to three? Denver probably, idk about the jetfs or dolphins off hand as far as what they can offer. You cant just move up because you want too.

Also, i dont think its a given that INDY trades out of 3. I have a couple friends that live there, and talk is they want to stay put and get that edge rusher they drastically need.

I think Denver is a strong possibility. Sounds like Elway really likes Mayfield.

Just saying I don't think I would trust my guy to be there at pick 4.

Quite the opposite of what many are saying, I think we have the luxury of drafting the QB of our choice at 1 while still having the 4th pick to draft a top 5 talent. Our draft situation is amazing.

I think we are set up perfectly to do whatever we want to do. I also heard someone throw our a scenario that we trade up from 4 to 2 and get our QB and SB. There are so many possibilities, and we can do them all with the firepower we have. We really do control this entire draft for not only us, but about 5 other teams. Its a great spot to be in. And a great year to be in it.

I think with the moves the Browns made today this opens the door to take Barkley first overall. We shall see.

I would still contend that Barkley has a better chance of being at 4 than Mayfield. I'm also not so sure Dorsey wants Barkley. It was pointed out here or somewhere that all the places Dorsey has been in the past 25+ years none have ever drafted a RB in first round.

I think you're missing my point.

My point has been that we don't know who will go two and three.

That's why we can't leave it to chance that we hope to get our guy at four. Like someone said earlier, why would we ever let other teams dictate the quarterback we draft? That's crazy

Don't leave that to chance. It's the most important position on the team. It's the single biggest factor which can make us a consistently competitive team.

IDK about that stat, but I also dont know if anyone with SB skills and talent were ever available at RB where they were picking. Its kinda of a stat that really means nothing, to be honest. Circumstances, positioning, talent-level etc, a lot to consider.

But i am going by what Dorsey has said over and over, and that is we need talent and players on this team. SB is a player with the most talent in the draft.

So backs are meaningless? Tell that to Jacksonville. They made the playoffs with Blake Bortles at QB. Why? They could RUN the football and play badass D. Tell that to the Rams. Another playoff team with a running back that was in contention for MVP of the league. Think Dallas is a playoff team without Zeke? Do you think Seattle wins a Super Bowl without Beast Mode? It doesn't matter who the QB is, if we can't run the ball at a very high level he won't last very long. If we don't take Barkley at #1 then we BETTER find a STUD running back in the second round. Or we better trade up to #2 and take a QB AND Barkley!

Question? What happens to your "most important position" player when every team in the league knows we can't run the football? You would put a rookie under center and announce to everyone, he WILL be throwing the ball 40+ times a game because the Browns can't run the ball.That will be good for his development. You seem to think a QB can do it all by himself. You seem to think this regime has years to bring along a QB. If we don't win games THIS year, Jackson is a goner. What is the easiest position to transition from college to the pros?

I actually feel like we just set up a situation to allow the Bills to trade up to #1 over all. They would take a QB at #1 and it would most likely be Rosen. We would mostly likely gain at least first rounders out of that trade. However we would most likely lose our chance at Saquan too though so it sucks.

I think the trade sets up the possibility of trading out #4, after picking Barkley @ 1, contingent on what the Bills can do in FA at QB. Then we use those picks ( 21 and 22 plus, 2nd round 53 ) and our own 2nd round picks, to move back up to get Ward and/or Ridley or possibly Allen or Mayfield. I'm not saying this will happen, but I can see this kind of thing happening, especially after the wheeling/dealing of today. I do not expect 4 QBs to be taken in the top 8.

We need to see how FA plays out. No matter what .. we would definately have to trade pick 22 ...

If you think Jacksonville made the playoffs because of Fournette you should rewatch last season. (Hint: defense defense defense)

Yeah.

There is ZERO need for us to take a RB #1 Overall.

Not in this draft, I don't care who Barkley is.

You go QB in Darnold or Rosen and Build up this Defense.

Several solid RBs will be there at 33 and 35.