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So Chud's offense is going to ba an attacking style offense with a lot of movement to confuse the defense. Sounds good. But what about when we have a lead going into the 4th Quarter? Heck, even the 3rd Quarter? In the past we have always had a "prevent offense" when we have had a decent lead. We got very conservative and well....you know what happened.

So do you think Chud will keep it attacking the whole game or will he start the conservative crap (run, run, run, punt) when we take the lead?

Little early to tell since I don't think he has been an OC before.

just have to wait and see.

Well, strategically, with the lead in the 4th you WANT to run the ball and keep the clock running. And hopefully with the guys we have, we will actually be able to close out games on the ground.

The only thing wrong with going to a "conservative" all-run offense is if you are a crappy team that can't run the ball to save your life.

If we are as improved in the run game as I'm hoping, it won't be the issue it has always been in the past.

Let's just hope we get some opportunities to find out!

Seeing how Chud made it to Ocordinator in the pro's I'm sure he has a game plan for conserving the lead, Attack dosent always mean all the time, I'm sure we have plays and game plan will work towards running the ball in the 4th when we have a lead, He didnt make it to the pro's just resting on his attack Off. i'm also sure we will take chances when we have the lead just to keep them off balance, but with rebuilding the O-line like we have, everybody 100% understand what a running game can do for you during the game and in the 4th with a lead.

I'm sorry I thought he said "Attack Offense" where did it say Attack can only be an adjective for a Passing Offense.

Obviously with the lead or a big lead (if we're talking 3rd qtr) of course we will try to establish a running attack but there are ways to attack with the run thats not a dive up the 1 or 2 hole. And there is no doubt in my mind that we won't be afraid to do some play action passes if they cram the box...nice safe passes with positive results. Yes, expect a draw or two on passing situations with Jerome in. Maybe even a screen as well.

There are many ways to Attack usually by Air & Ground

JMHO

I understand what you are saying.....but running isn't really attacking.

The NFL has changed. Passing the ball is attacking, and passing sets up the run. If you can't pass, you won't be able to run.

Well....

If Jamaal Lewis can get back to averaging 4.3 to 5.1 yards per carry.... It would be more like run, run, run, run, run, TD.....

I don't know to be honest. We haven't hit preseason yet. I have to see how he runs it in a game situation and go from there.

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But what about when we have a lead ...

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My guess is the team and the coaching staff will all just look at each other in astonishment and disbelief... and we will be flagged for multiple delay of game penalties because nobody will know how to act.

"but running isn't really attacking."



lol ...then you must of missed several of our games. Where we were attacked upon by a barrage of Runs and actually I would shake my head when the opponents were too smart and actually passed the ball as it was the only way we were going to stop them...lol

There's different ways to attack...its not air and ground...its usually Horizontal and Vertical - its all about stretching out the defense. It is possible to stretch them horizontal and seal a good portion of the D inside. If you ATTACK it with good execution.

And as mentioned I said we will have no problems running play action in many of those situations to ease up the jam in the box. And we will see runs on 2nd and long with the nickel package in.

JMHO - but you most certainly can attack via the run...go ask the OL

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I understand what you are saying.....but running isn't really attacking

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tell that to earl little, when lewis was on the ravens in '03


the best attack is a balanced attack, causing the d to have to cover the whole field....

our biggest problem all along was our oline because it severely limited what we could do...

teams could stack the box, taking away the run, and quick passes over the middle....they also got penetration and a pass rush....this left short passes to the outside as our only safe option...

if the line play improves we can punish a defense for stacking the box, and throw behind them...then when they play pass we run....this forces them to play straight up, and increases our options...

we are then attacking...we are dictating....not the other way around....

The whole context of this is what we have done in the past....run the clock and punt.

My only point is when a team goes into shut down mode, they don't do it by passing the ball...they run.

I am not saying that is bad by any means....it's just bad when you do it the way we have done it for a decade.


I guess that is why I always liked Spurrier....he never sits on a lead. His attitude is if they can't stop you, too bad.

If we ever get the chance to run it up....do it. Score as many as you can.....but like Spurrier, if they do it to you, you don't cry about it.

Let's get a lead going into the fourth quarter first.

Kind of like last years Pittsburgh game??

Yea, Spurrier was a great NFL coach.

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The whole context of this is what we have done in the past....run the clock and punt.

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lol....i doubt they want it to turn out like the past...
i'm thinking they are planning on running the ball and getting first downs...it didn't work for us cause our oline sucked....

allsot ran all over us a few years back when we played tampa....we couldn't stop him....thats the kind of attack i want..

if they bring everyone into the box, then run it outside, or playaction, and at worst dump to the back to the outside...

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My only point is when a team goes into shut down mode, they don't do it by passing the ball...they run

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i agree 100%....we haven't been able to do it as of yet..

I believe that by "attacking" he(Chud) is referring to going at the weakness created thru mismatches. He seems to be adding a lot of motion into the pre snap O. I think the QB will be able to audible to either a run or pass when he sees where the weakness is.

Using this philosophy, splitting K2 wide and putting Vickers in motion can leave a weakness along the defensive front 7. Then you attack the weak point with a run in that area.

I think too many believe that when he says "attacking" he's talking about downfield. I wouldn't be surprised if they throw more short passes then they have been doing . I look for all the backs to catch many passes in the flats and on short outs. With the speed of Carter and the attention Winslow will draw I can envision defenses getting beat by short passes with a lot of room to run afterwards. If this happens successfully,then look out for the downfield attack.

As for the gist of this thread, if we can run successfully, that will be the best way to preserve the lead. The problem in the past has been that it couldn't be executed.

When I thought "Attack" I thought more along the lines of passing to set up the run...people say you have to run to set up the pass. Well, how about going up and attack them with a barrage of passes that way we can set up Jamal to run it down their throats. We could also see a lot of stretch and counters in the run game.

You RUN to set up the pass people. Geez.

If it was the other way around, then I guess Dan Marino would have had an incredible running game.

if we are up in the 4th.. we are running the ball with Lewis.. thats why we got him..

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If it was the other way around, then I guess Dan Marino would have had an incredible running game.

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Oddly enough, the offensive numbers for the Dolphins with Marino look remarkably like the Lions numbers with Barry Sanders... only reversed.. The simple fact is that if you have crappy talent in the passing game, you won't be a good passing team no matter how well you run it and if you have crappy talent in the running game, you won't be a good running team no matter how well you throw it....