DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft The case for Saquon Barkley

Spirit I see your still out there when it comes to RB, they have real value no question but its not even close when it comes to impact with a QB.

It also would put the Browns in the passenger seat in driving the top of the draft, you take Barkley and you must then take a QB at 4 all while settling. You take the top QB and you can trade back a spot or 2 and add yet another 1st next year, a year in which you must address the LT spot, not to mention it allows you to get the lay of the land as to where you will need to make roster adjustments after this years draft.

Barkley may be a great player (likely) but he is still a RB and I am dead certain we can easily fill that need in the 2nd round.

I long ago concluded I can get a RB that will do if I have a solid if not great O line for them to run behind. That's much more of a factor then who the RB is IMO. That and a great QB will decide how well you can run the ball.

You seem to think that there's only one running back available to take otherwise "we can't run the football", lol

That's ridiculous. A good RB is a great luxury, no doubt about it. But the most important position toward the consistency of success is QB. That's just how it is. The best RB as of late, Adrien Peterson, how far in the playoffs do you think he ever went? The conference championship in 2009. Who'd they lose to? Drew Bree's with the formidable rushing attack of Mike Bell, Pierre Thomas, and Reggie Bush (and take a look at Reggie's numbers that year, not impressive).

2009 is the only time he's ever even made it out of the Wild Card Round

This year, Peterson leaves the Vikings (albeit he's old), and with god-knows-who at RB they went to the NFC Championship.




I'm sorry. If Barkley is there at 4, he's certainly in play. I'd be very excited to draft him. But the most important player on the field is a QB. We can find someone else to run the ball if necessary. Have you seen Guice? Ronald Jones (who is growing on me)? Sonny Michel, if he can learn to protect the ball better is an exciting player. And Nick Chubb isn't too shabby either. But we can't let other teams dictate who our QB is.

Unless he's not. In which case you are screwed.

Don't let someone else choose your QB for you.

Gamble big , Win or loose big ! See I'm not sold that Dorsey is in love with either Rosen or Darnold .. I think many believe that they will be the first two QB's off the board .
That would leave you with Allen or Mayfield at 4 .. Or Mason /Lamar ..

I've seen many of the experts with Darnold and Mayfield as the top two quarterbacks off the board.

If I know Barkley is going to be a hall of fame RB, I'm still taking my top QB at 1. And there's no hesitation.

What if they have the QBs graded out the same?

I'm guessing they aren't. And if they do, pick one. Draft him #1.

None of the HBs in this draft have anywhere near the talent Saquan does. I mean it's not even close. I get so tired of hearing this nonsense that you can find any ole running back later in the draft and make it work. That way of thinking has kept our running game in the gutters for forever now.

Yeah we goofed on one we took in the first round before but compared to the amount of failed QBs taken in round one it's an afterthought.

At number #1 you take the BPA. You don't take an OK QB at 1 when you can easily get just as good a QB at #4.

Hell you give an average QB like Tyrod a dominant running game with a player like Saquan and you will have a pretty decent offense that will score twice the points we did last season.

If we keep passing on elite talent to hopefully muddle through it somehow then we deserve what we get. Nothing will hurt our offense more than passing up on Saquan.

I get it IF they have different grades on the QBs and have 1 graded above all others then in that case it makes perfect sense to take "their" guy.

If they have equal grades on the QB then it makes sense to trade out.

We don't know what the FO thinks of the QBs and we probably won't know until the draft.

If they draft any QB other than Rosen at #1 instead of Saquan then it will probably be the straw that breaks my back as a fan because I have seen enough horrible drafts to last a lifetime already.

As much as I like Barkley, I don’t think he goes one, or even two. Think he will be there when we pick at four. Here’s my thoughts on it, RBs don’t usually play as long as some other positions in the draft. QBs when good usually play a long time, as do some other positions. RBs tend to have shorter careers, that could be the defining factor for Barkley. If a team thinks he can be good for say 8-10 Year’s then he could go high. He’s a great talent but Gurkey and Fournette also we’re. They both went at 4. But how long past thier second contract will they be able to play? Barkley is a different kind of back then those two, not the banger they are so his career could be a bit longer. Won’t have the wear and tear like they will.

I think Barkley will still go high just not before four. But we’ll see, I’ve been wrong plenty before.

Fair points but I think buth the giants and colts are in a position to really want to draft him so I have my doubts about him lasting to the 4th. I just think he is too special to pass up on.

Situation matters.

I think the Browns have a good situation to groom a QB.

I don't think this QB group is significantly different in terms of talent.

Whichever QB they pick has a good chance for success.

Seems premature to throw away your fan card based draft preference when the outcome is uncertain.

If they have equal grades then trade out of the pick. Somebody else will pay a ransom for the QB they like the most.

Your right because situation does matter and if they can't understand the team's needs and situation enough to draft correctly then why should I waste yet another 2-4 years of my life watching idiots play at being egomaniacs.

You don't pass on the BPA in the draft for a slight improvement at QB.

If there were only 1 way to build a championship team i would agree with you.

And your position is even more puzzling since you said that you believe the top 4 QBs all have a chance to be franchise caliber.

Let's pretend those 4 QBs really are franchise caliber...2 of them will be there at #4.

SB @ #1!

Why is it puzzling. Saquan plus any of those QBs is a much better team than the team that only gets one of those QBs. To me none of the QBs is so dominant over the others that they are worth losing Saquan.

My two cents I take Barkley at 1 and might trade down couple at 4 and get my qb there folks there not that good qb this year

You mean, the choice of the QBs, plus one of Barkley, Chubb, or Fitzpatrick.

Don't act like we don't have the four pick for goodness sake. Chubb and Fitz both look like very good prospects.



I just can't believe folks are even discussing this. We have an opportunity to choose whichever QB we want, and at four we'll get a very good player (or possibly a king's ransom in a trade down).

Instead, folks want a RB and the leftovers at QB.

Ridiculous.............. This is the draft to do it. Identify your QB, whichever you like the most, pick that one. If you haven't made a decision which you like most, keep working till you make that decision

I have a feeling Dorsey will take the QB at ! and FS at four. We keep hearing how he is a football guy and not a idiot so noRB until the 2nd round.

Honest question.

Are you sure you're not Jaded in this Barkley at 1 opinion because you have a Woody for Rudolph? And you know for a fact that Rudolph isn't sniffing the Top 4.

Think about that. Seriously.

Its puzzling because just like their are other QBs that could be successful there are other RBs that could be as well.

And this is coming from someone that thinks Saquan is the best player in this draft. I think Barkley is a HOF type RB. But you don't need a HOF to be a competitive championship team.

John Dorsey does not draft running backs in the 1st round. I was reading past drafts that he made and I noticed he just doesn't draft running backs that high.

Everyone is convinced Dorsey is taking a QB at 1 or 4 but we don't know his opinion on how high he is on Taylor. Just throwing it out there but Dorsey is different than what we are used to in Cleveland. He may want 2 impact players at 1 and 4.

With the addition of Taylor,few people realize his arm strength. He has position receivers and deep play makers. I've witnessed pain every year since Tim Couch. S.Barkley is a stud and would give this offense the ability to play two running backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield and Taylor takes care of the ball. Im willing to bet he doesn't turn it over inside the 10 as much as Kizer did. Open the offense up and score touchdowns rather than miss field goals

I would rather take a chance on a qb than a running back. Remember Trent Richardson was supposed to be a game changer and he didn't last long. Barkley may be something special but when you look at top teams in the league none of them have big time running backs. They just have great schemes.

No team John Dorsey has worked for has even taken a running back in the second round, let alone the first round.

There's a first time for everything....

https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/972543472983982080

When Andrew Luck was the first overall draft pick by the Colts, everyone knew (scouts) HANDS DOWN that he was the BPA and at the QB position to boot. No one is stating that any of these upcoming QB's in the 2018 draft class is the head over heels #1 talent at the QB position. It's Barkley or bust in my opinion, because it's a safe bet. You literally make the game easier for TT to do his thing with the WR's we have and then Barkley. I'm not saying don't go out and get a QB, I'm saying the #4 spot should be used to fill that hole. He (rookie) can sit behind Taylor and figure out the game for a year. The situation here would immediately be better than what he had in Buffalo in terms of his surrounding corps.

No sorry it would not they have a guy in Buffalo named McCoy you may have heard of him, and oh BTW they have a pretty solid O Line too.

Barkley at 1. enough said, with 4 we hold all the cards with teams wanting a QB at 4

And what do WE do for a Future QB?

Taylor is still young, he has at least 8 years left in the tank.

When you can possibly come away with Chubb and Fitz, Barclay and one of the top three QBs, your top QB and Fitz PLUS the ability to get a top RB in the draft if you wait... I'd say you ARE in the Cat Birds seat!

And that by no means is the limit of your possibility!

JC...

Look at the super bowl teams (Pats/Eagles) Wasn't Blount, Dion Lewis, Corey Clements all UDFAs? Jay Ajayi was a 5th round pick I recall...All had big contributions to their respected teams. I see Saquan Barkley as a very talented back...But I would rather have the best QB at #1 overall...Barkley could very well be there at #4, and I wouldn't mind him...If not, I don't think its the end of the world by any means.