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Sounds like it's Fitz at four or a trade down.


We could really take it to the bank with a trade down with the number 4 pick (if no quarterbacks go 2 and 3).


While not my top option, it's a good one.

Minkah Fitzpatrick could totally transform our secondary. He's a very good player. Just a step below Adams of LSU last year. But not much.


I remember watching Alabama, before knowing him, and I said, "That guy right there is an NFL Starter". Didn't even have to key in on him to notice. I could just see by the way he plays

Hoping the Gmen address their need in FA and that'd set us up for a Barclay and either Darnold or Rosen depending on Indy. Luck's health comes into play but they need a lineman to protect Luck and I've heard rumbling that they want the edge rusher. We are potentially in a sweet spot which could conceivably get sweeter!

j/c

I'm not so sure why everyone is convinced the Giants go RB. Let's face it, Eli actually got benched for a game last year and from my perspective his skills are going down hill fast. The Giants are in the car bird seat to draft his replacement. Not saying that's what will happen but I don't think Barkley or a trade down for them is a slam dunk as it seems some do.

I kinda think there's this pressure (real or unreal) about being the team that passes Barclay over. I think it's on the top 3 drafting teams especially.

I keep asking myself , how could the Giant pass a QB at two ??? When do they expect to be picking that high again ? How much longer is Manning an option ?

Umm no . He had no offensive line and his couch was an idiot.
I would take him right now in a second. I think most GMs looking for a QB would also.

If we are sitting there with Barkley, no brainer we take him, instant impact on the offense.
However, if the Cardinals offered their 15, Honeybadger and second, that would be worth considering. Great DB, best wideout at 15 and RB at the top of the second. Fills a few holes

I think that the Giants are either going QB or OL at 2. RB might be an option, if they are sold on Webb as their future guy, but they have given no real indication of that .... starting Geno Smith instead of Webb last year. I get that this was a different regime, but Eli averaged just over 6 yards a throw last year. That's awful. (I think that he averaged .01 yards/attempt more than Kizer, for comparison's sake)

Realistically, Shurmur knows the importance of the QB position, and I cannot see him passing on a QB.

I agree. New coach, new era, new QB.

Don't know much about their cap space but do you think they might be in on say, keenum or foles or someone near their caliber?

Oof. I want more.

I like Honey Badger, but I think he's shown injury questions, he's got a somewhat expensive contract. I'd at least want a first next year (and then some).

The number 4 pick is pretty valuable IMO. Especially if a QB hasn't been selected a 2 or 3

I think we should take a QB at #4

I think we take Barkley at 1 and Mayfield at 4. But if we go QB at #1, I'm positive Barkley will be gone. I think our choices will be Chubb and Fitzpatrick. I'm torn between the two but would have to say Chubb if forced. I think he is overall better and should be taken #2 in a non QB driven draft.

Pete, I totally agree. Honey Badger, 15 and their 2nd would get our attention, we negotiate for more from there.

I hear ya bud. If we take a QB at #1 it's very hard to predict what will happen if some team is in love with a QB and willing to sell the farm to get him. There are some fine QBs in this draft so I would not blame them.

I see two main draft scenarios happening if we take a QB at #1.

Scenario 1
Giants take Saquan or a LT
Colts take Chubs
Bills trade us the farm for #4 or we take Fitz

Scenario 2
Giants trade with Bills or Denver and take a QB
Colts trade with Bills or Dever and take a QB
Browns take Saquan, Chubbs, or Fitz

I will take door #2, please.

I am thinking about this more and more, and I really want to trade down to 5 or 6, if possible.

If there is a run on QBs, and they go 1-2-3, then there will only be one top of the draft type QB left, and we would own the pick with which to pick him. If QBs go 1-2-3, then we could trade down to 5 or 6, and add real value for that pick. Even if we wound up at 6, we would have our choice of Barkley, Fitzpatrick, James, or Chubb. That would be a nice spot to be in, especially with a draft pick or 3 added in.

That is not enough. The Cardinals are considering cutting Mathieu, that type of player brings back little value in a trade.

Do you know why they are thinking of cutting him? Is it just the fact that they want him to take a pay cut?

You would certainly have the inside track to the Giants news considering your location. I have to agree with you that the Giants are in the perfect scenario to draft the QB to move forward after Eli and the people who can't see that big picture should look a little more closely.

I'm not saying them going QB at #2 is a done deal. But what I don't believe that some seem to understand is that the perfect opportunity to draft your future franchise QB doesn't come along for a team like the Giants very often.

Just like with us. You don't get the chance at your pick of the litter at the QB position very often. Playing "I'll take the leftovers behind door #4" isn't a sound way to address your future.

Hope all is well Tab.

I’ve stayed out the draft debate this year and just want to see a successful draft without trading away top picks. I respect your opinion and I’d like to see a QB for #1 and a RB for #4. So we’re on the same page there. I was leaning towards Fitz so I’ll need to take another look at Barkley. Thanks

Get well bro.

IF SB is not there at 4 (assuming we take QB at 1), I don't think any other RB are worth 4. I would either take Fitz or trade down IMO.

Isn't Tab referring to Bradley Chubb?

I like Nick Chubb a lot, but I don't think he's viewed as a 1st round prospect. Maybe a 2nd, not a first

Unless you think Fitz can play outside CB, I don't think he's worth it.

IMHO, Minkah is probably the most over rated player from the last couple of drafts. Slot CB going on the top 5, honestly....

If we take a QB first, SB is not there and we don't trade down then we probably did the wrong thing.

Can't Fitz play FS? That's what I had him slotted to play in the first place.

This Randall guy has never played FS in the NFL. But he did play some high level CB last year (from what I read).

Maybe they can compete for the job or we can evaluate who is better at what position

Fitz hasn't played FS in the NFL either .. lol

With a 33 vertical jump, I honestly think Fitz will struggle to play both CB and FS.

I also think he is a terrible tackler,with bad fundamentals, although he is very good in coverage, but overall I think he will struggle at least on the first season playing in space in the NFL.

Its strange that media tends to overlook Fitz shortcomings, we saw that in the combine, where he was anything but impressive....

History dictates people often times look too closely at combine numbers and not enough at the game tape.

Agreed. Fitzpatrick is an athlete. He looks great out there. I'm not seeing what this guy is seeing. He makes plays. I don't care his combine measurables. He's a very good football player

I could care less about the what was shown at the combine, what matters is what is shown on tape, and that has been outstanding IMO.

I should have been clearer in my reply, I knew you were talking the edge rusher chubb, I just meant since no other RB is worth the pick -i would trade down and get more picks. I want to focus on OFF this draft.

There is a clear relation between Fs and Cb success and the vertical...They have to jump higher than 40... or at least high 30's

Clearly Fitz is not an athletic freak, but strangely when people want to justify his pick,they do compare him with players that have superior athletic attributes.

Honestly I don't think Mikah is at Patrick Peterson or Eric Berry level, more like a bit faster Haden...very good player, but not top 5.

I don't really think he's like either of those guys (or Joe Haden).

He's still a very good football player.

I think he'll show himself to be a very good safety, who has a knack for making a play on the ball, and he'll show an ability to cover team's Athletic TE's (which is a major skill in today's NFL). Worth the number 4 pick. Although I think I prefer Barkley and Chubb.

But he's not a bad pick at 4 either.


I just think that Chubb looks really good and would be a great duo with Garrett. And I think that Barkley would be a major asset for this offense (and we really need offensive playmakers).

It's well established that you need high vertical to be successfully at FS... Fitz does not have that quality.. He also never played the position, and you don't draft a player at 4 and transition him...

Fitz tackling is atrocious, Peppers level, and I don't like a FS that cannot tackle, we saw what that leads to.

He played SS some times, and I think its his most natural position.

Very hard to judge the ball hawking ability of a Saban safety,since the front 7 puts so much pressure.

But all in all, I think we need a #1 CB, not a safety, we can live with an average FS, and a good SS in Kindred, or try Peppers has SS...

We drafted Fitz last year on Peppers, Hybrid player with high football IQ...

Not even close. The skill set of Peppers and Fitz are totally opposite of each other.