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I really like both Rosen and Darnold, and I think both will be pretty safe picks and good QBs...

But I can't get this mental picture of Gordon running a skinny post and Allen rifling him a pass, hitting him in stride before the safety can get there, TD!!!

I get excited thinking about it! I'd be fine with any of those 3 QBs though, just not Mayfield.

Man he sure drew some big Ohhs and Awws at the combine. Threw one pass about 70 yards with a flick of the wrist.

Not sure what all the QB gurus think of him, but to the untrained eye, he looked good over the weekend.

The most impressive thing I saw from Allen at the combine was how easily he threw the deep out at the combine. More impressive then the bombs he launched. Those outs looked like he was throwing a 15 yard comeback, effortless power. Even on his deep ball he didn’t like he had to really torque to get it out there. I know his accuracy is a question, and it still is for me. This guys potential is only limited by his his own ability to learn and grow. I noticed he was a little late with his anticipation on his throws but he gets away with it cause he doesn’t need even a fraction of the time to get the ball there. I think that’s something that gets better with time, and experience.


I’m both awed by this kid and concerned at the same time.

That last one.

You don't think Intelligence has anything to do with Processing Information?

Explain, Lucy.

I don't think the Wonderlic (as a useful tool) has as much to do with gauging how smart you are as it does to making sure you're not prolifically stupid.

I think it might not even show that.

I think it just shows how good you are at taking tests.

Dan Marino scored a 16... I'd still take him at QB :-P Blaine Gabbert got a 42.

Looking at a list of QB scores in history I can't really find any kind of correlation with score and success.

http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

I think it will be important for Lamar.... he comes across very infantile, IMHO, if he scores low it will be a Vince Young reminder...

NFL.com's Kimberly Jones considers Wyoming QB Josh Allen the quarterback who "helped himself the most" at the Combine.

After measuring in at 6-foot-5, 237 pounds, Allen put on a show with his arm and tested well athletically. Allen's arm and athleticism have never really been in question. It's his accuracy that's the issue. For his part, Allen says he's been "working on his footwork and 'toning down' his stride length." It's rare for quarterbacks to truly overhaul their mechanics. Allen is going to be high risk, high reward, likely in the top 10 and perhaps much higher.

Source: NFL.com Mar 6 - 6:52 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1&rw=1

I am not bad-mouthing Josh Allen here. I want to be clear about that. But, I have heard several reports that are similar to that one.

I find those odd because I don't think there was ever any question about Allen's arm strength and his athleticism. I think we all knew he would blow people away at the Combine in those two areas.

I think the question remains if he can be accurate in game situations. It's totally different than throwing against air. I put very little importance on the accuracy of qbs at the Combine and Pro Days. I mentioned in another thread that I am far more interested in the guy's footwork and how fast their set-up and release are.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier.

Processing speed is a different type of intelligence than recall, memory, analyzing, and synthesizing.

Those types of intelligence traits really help qbs read the defense pre-snap. They help w/film study, recognizing tendencies, understanding down and distance, where you are at on the field, time on the clock, etc.

Processing speed is a completely different animal.

Oh, and one more thing. I think it's about time the NFL comes up w/a better intelligence test than the Wonderlic. LOL

Agree. It'd be interesting to see if this new VR training can improve a guys processing speed. I'd think it would have to.

Good point. I would like to learn more about the VR training.

Someone hit on something big there and will make some serious money from it!

I guess I should say IF it catches on...

I hope it does. I know next to nothing about it, but man..........that would be HUGE if it actually works because that has been one of the things that haven't been coachable in the past.

I imagine you can dial up literally ANY situation you want to put your guy in and as many times as you want him to experience it. That's really something that only game experience could give you in the past. May not be exactly like game play but hey...

Case Keenum credited VR for his major step forward this year.

Case Keenum's game helped by virtual reality training - Minnesota Vikings Blog- ESPN
http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikin...se-keenums-game

I think there is really something to this. This could be especially helpful for a rookie QB making the transition to the speed of a pro game.

J/c

That vr stuff is COOL AS HELL .... someone said IF it catches on .... NO WAY IT DON’T ...

Like tab said ... its all ready being used for all sorts of military stuff ... they been using some version of it for over 25 years ... my cousin works for GE and worked on this stuff with the military ...

And as technology improves it only gets better ....

Its AWESOME .... and REPS MATTER!!!!

I had a chance to visit the VT ( armor ) center at Ft Knox and it blew me away .. Things have changed just a little since 1968 ! lol

Just speculating.. the trade for Taylor makes a Barkley/Allen combination more likely.

How so? Not disagreeing, just wondering your logic connecting those 2 things.

Why?

I see people opining that the Browns will take Barkley at #1, and then their choice of QB at 4 .... but what guarantee that their 1st, or even 2nd QBs might not be gone by 4? Why take the chance that 2 teams that want QBs don't trade up to 2 and 3, and take our #1 and #2 options? Why take that chance that the Giants don't take the guy we want at 2?

I suspect that the Colts #3 overall could be in play with the Broncos and/or Jets, just as our 4th overall could be. The best thing that could happen, for us, is for QBs to go 1-3, and not to the Broncos or Jets. Then we could trade down from #4 to either 5 or 6 ..... and add some serious value, while sill getting either Barkley, Chubb, or Fitzpatrick.

#1 - Barkley - CLE
#2 - Chubb - NYG
#3 - Allen - Buffalo via Indy
#4 - Mayfield - CLE
#5 - Darnold - DEN (Keenum FA)
#6 - Rosen - NYJ

FA - DEN (Keenum)
FA - AZ (MCCarron)
FA - BUF (Bradford)
FA - MIN (Cousins)

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I know exactly how this will all play out.

Don’t throw away your hotel receipt, just in case.

I have a hard time with the Giants passing on Rosen at two if he is sitting there ..

Heard one of the Giants beat reporters on the radio.
He is convinced that if Darnold is there at #2 then the NYG will take him.
If Darnold is gone then they will take Saquan
FWIW

Giants believe they can be a playoff team this year. Hell - they were projected to be one last year. Lot of injuries last year hurt their cause and horrible HC. They just traded for a LB which tells me they are not rebuilding for which a QB would most likely be their pick. I believe that they believe Eli is still good enough and with an impact player in the draft (ie. Chubb or Barkley), they can get back to the playoffs.

Following your train of thought ; When will they ever be picking this high in the Draft again ?? You would think thy would go ahead a pull the trigger on their next Franchise QB , NO ?

Perhaps. I just think they like Webb enough and can get an impact player at 2.

Could be ! I have only questions today ! No sure fire answers

Roger that.

Not arguing or anything, I live here in New York so watch a lot of the Giants, imo if they don’t fix thier O-line they will be hard pressed to make the playoffs.

Agreed. In the last 3 drafts we have earned the #2, #1, and #1 picks. The plan is we won't be seeing a top 5 pick for several years to come. We won't be having the opportunity to take our choice of QB for the foreseeable future.

We can sit here as fans, and call the top 3-4 QBs roughly equal, but we are not staking our professional reputations on that call, we don't have the microscopic view of these guys, and we don't have the experience of evaluating talent for a living. There are differences between them, and the guys we are trusting to make the decision will have them graded out far more deeply than we do. If they like 1 guy more than the others, and I'm sure they do, they can't afford to pass up this opportunity to pick THEIR quarterback of the future.

I agree with this. With Taylor coming in and the comments being made around us giving him additional $, I'd give him (potentially) the biggest weapon in the draft. We grab a QB at #4 that actually sits behind Taylor for 1(2?) seasons and we have a little less pressure on that QB.

If we take a QB @ 1, we have an immediate QB controversy (especially if the reports are true about us restructuring TT's contract). You don't draft a QB at 1 and sit them on the bench, how does that help our team at all? Maybe next year (the Browns motto).

If our guy is gone at 4 and the Bills haven't already moved up to 3, grabbing both of their 1st rounders wouldn't be a bad deal either (assuming their guy is still there).

My point about Allen is that Taylor is the bridge QB that would tie them over for a year or to to develop him.

I don’t see the same requirement for Darnold, and still see him as the more logical choice.

March 14th is gonna be a lot more telling once we actually start seeing the contracts of these players we got via trades, obviously moreso TT's. I'll be interested to know how many years Taylor gets for his contract.

j/c

The biggest knock on Allen is his accuracy. Some have said that accuracy trends in college tend to carry over into the NFL, implying that Allen will likely not improve. I decided to go here and plug in some names of successful NFL QBs over the years. Here are some of the names followed by their college completion percentage;

Dan Fouts - 50.4%
Joe Montana - 52.0%
Brett Favre - 52.4%
Joe Namath - 54.3%
Josh Allen - 56.2%
Dan Marino - 57.6%

Completion rates may not be the truest measure of accuracy, but there are some interesting names in the same range as Allen.

(edited to add) I'm not advocating Allen, just making a point that his accuracy issues in college don't automatically mean he can't be good in the NFL.