DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft The Fourth

I don't let go of this pick. This franchise needs a turning point and this year could be it. Dorsey needs to hit big as he has an opportunity to be the hero of Cleveland forever.

If the Jets and Broncos don't go QB in free agency then I could see trading down to 5 or 6 (letting them bid against one another) but I wouldn't go down past that. We have enough young developmental guys on the roster already, trading out of a blue chip kind of prospect isn't going to help push this team forward at this point in my opinion.

If we want a later 1st round pick that badly we can package 35, 64 and New England's 2019 3rd to Seattle at 18... not saying that will or should happen for the record.

I think that's a question that actually has no real answer at this time. We don't actually know who will be left on the board at that time, who the FO will actually be targeting there and how much they value that player over the next best player on the board.

Given your scenario of us drafting a QB at #1, if we can convince the Broncos that the Jets are trying to move ahead of them, it's a no brainer because you have no doubt they will go QB and you end up with your target anyway. So you no doubt move from #4 to #5. If you have the next two players on your board ranked very close to even, it may be worth moving from #4 to #6 depending on the compensation.

However, moving below that is certainly something I'm not in favor of. All too often I've seen us move down and settle for players that have very littler actual impact on the game. What we've seen these last couple of days says to me that the quote from Dorsey in my sig. is quite accurate. We need real football players. And you're much more likely to find them in the top of the draft.

If the Jets or Bronco's want a QB , why wouldn't they make the trade with the Colts at Three ??

With this team already loaded with youngsters, I believe if we did trade #4, it may be for a young vet with some experience plus a pick or two...such as the Cards.

What if they both want a QB and that QB is not the same QB?

I could see the draft going QB 1-4 with the Giants, Colts, and us trading down and the Jets, Broncos, and Bills trading up.

You bet ; the scenario's for this draft are fascinating ! As I have mentioned before , You can make a strong case for the Browns and the Giants going QB .. The first trade could be at #3 .. Jets/Broncos/Bills ..

water, every year we see the quarterbacks rated as the 10th, 12th best player in the draft. but when the draft starts the qbs climb up the draft and go 2,3 or 4. it will happen again this year I think. at 4 we will have a choice of at least 2 or maybe all 3 of the sq, fitz and Chubb. we will have great options at 4.

The question for me is, what's to gain? #1 pick, top choice QB - no brainer. #4 pick, depends who's there but one of three: Sequin, Minkah, Chubb are all potentially great impact players/day one starters. Trade out of #4 one or two spots you likely gain a second round pick and still get an impact player. Trade down further than one or two spots and IMO you hit a point of diminishing returns. More picks for unknown players and lesser impact type players. You step from the realm and philosophy of "potentially great" to "good enough". For me, that's not where we need to be.

Agreed. One of the things I like about the weekend trades is that the 5 1st & 2nd round picks remain intact. We have the chance to draft, at least, 2 impact players, 2 solid starters, and useful role player. Start trading down and you dilute that.

To me .. I'm treating Taylor just like I would Smith or Cousins. He's my QB, so I go best player available in the draft. Barkley at 1 and Chubb/Fitzpatrick, depending on if either are available, at #4. You need players in the game and playing to win and Taylor will not be on the bench. Go BPA and build the team.

Taking Barkley at #1 makes sense if you look at the QBs. If you want Darnold, he will be gone at 4. If you want Rosen, he MIGHT be gone at 4. Mayfield should be there. That's who I want. Allen and Rudolph will be there too.

Barkley is an impact player and very special IMHO. You have four good shots at 'developing' a Franchise QB; but regardless of who it is, they will sit this year unless disaster strikes. Barkley will play day one.

If we take Saquan at #1 and our top target QB gets taken at 2 or 3 then I would open thing up with the Bills. We might be able to land Mason and Washington both and really ramp up our offense. Those two already have great chemistry and Washington makes the perfect #2 WR next to Gordon.

I do not think there really is much of a case for taking Barkley #1. And, I am still a firm believer that running the ball and stopping the run is still the foundation of winning football teams. The QB is the most important position on a team. A position the Browns have not had right since their return. This is the draft they have been waiting for to find that potential franchise QB and there will be no other players in play at 1 but the best QB.

I also think QB will end up being taken 1, 2, and 3 in the draft.

My prediction is the Browns will take Darnold #1. The Giants will follow that by selecting Josh Rosen. Soon after they will trade Eli Manning to the Bronco's for a 3rd and 5th. The Colt's will trade out of #3 to the New York Jets for #6 and #37 so the Jets could select Josh Allen.

That could leave Saquon Barkley to the Browns at #4.

Huh? So, Mayfield, the guy you want most, will be there at four, but Rosen and Darnold won't?

I just don't get this thinking. Why would you assume (if you think Mayfield is the best of the bunch) that Mayfield will be available after Rosen and Darnold? Wouldn't you think that other teams would agree with you and want Mayfield?

There's two picks with teams that could trade down or pick the guy they think is best. If you think Mayfield is the best, wouldn't you assume the Giants would agree? That or a team looking to trade up?



I just don't get it. QB is the most important position in football. Not even close. Why would you ever allow anyone to dictate the draft to you? Pick your QB, take care of priority number 1 first, and allow the draft to work it's way from there.

j/c

It feels like it's getting a bit heated in here. Let's face it, we don't agree. One poster thinks we should to this, another disagrees, and in the end, Dorsey and his staff will do what they're going to do regardless of what any of us have to say.

Well put. I tried to ask this same question over the weekend, on one of these posts. Didn't put it as well as you. If Baker is the no doubt best QB in this class, then why would other teams pass on him for another QB?

I've tried this approach. The fact none of us has a clue what is going on behind the scenes isn't important. Logic doesn't work with this crowd. They simply want to argue their point and if you don't agree with them, well someone has to be wrong so it must be you.

Just stay away from the ALL CAPS crowd. These folks feel they must yell to get their point out; they have anger issues.

I just think it's a case where we are in such a good position that there is more than one right answer this. I'm happy to see people caring enough to argue for their favorite scenario because it means they are still fans and haven't totally given up yet. So rock on and have fun and let's all try to be respect towards each other =)

I totally agree. We have so many options that even if we don't pull the trigger on the one your fingers are crossed for, I doubt you'll frown or be upset for long.

It's that respect piece that is always the first casualty in these types of conversations.

Brendan Leister
‏

@BrendanLeister
Follow Follow @BrendanLeister
More
In case you didn’t know, @mortreport reported that Damarious Randall isn’t playing CB in CLE. He’s moving back to FS, as many had speculated.



This takes Fritz out of play at 4.

More smoke to effect the draft.

It's to our advantage to jerk everyone around right now.

Yep, I hope we have the whole league scratching their heads.

They gotta be lol... heck with all the possibilities and etc, we're probably scratching our OWN heads!

I’d rather be scratching it, most of the time we’ve felt like cutting our heads off!! Hopefully Dorsey can change all that. Time to hand him the check book and have at it!!!

My feeling is that Cousins goes to the Vikings in Free Agency. If we take a QB at #1 and the Giants take one as well, Indy could possibly shock everyone and take a QB themselves, if they think Luck isn't going to come back at full strength. They could also trade to Denver, Buffalo, the Jets or a few other teams who could take a QB.

If any of those last 3 are sitting there with 3 QBs off the board and us picking at #4, they might be willing to trade the farm to move up. I'd be most interested in the Jets or Broncos trade, as we would more than likely get Barkley or Fitzpatrick to fall to us at our new spot.

This pick is going to be huge. I think there will be at least one trade up 2-4 (hello Bills). That means a QB is going after we [probably] pick one first overall.

1. QB
2. Possible trade up for a QB/Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
3. Possible trade up for a QB/Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
4. Possible trade up for a QB/Barkley/Chubb/Fitzpatrick

We are really in a great spot.

Bingo. They are going to be picking 2-4 at some point.

J/c

If the Browns take a QB at pick #1 they gotta listen to offers at pick #4