DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns just agreed to trade DT Danny Shelton

That's the best argument I've heard. Taking the bird in hand does make a little more sense.

So, how may draft picks do we have left this year?

A ton, and we've gained some very good players. Don't worry about picks, we have 5 in the top 64. Relax.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919673/article/2018-nfl-draft-order-for-all-seven-rounds

Agreed. With 2x 1st round, and 3x 2nd round the rest don't really matter. That combined with our 3x 1st rounders from last year and 3 solid starters from trades and whoever we sign from FA 3-7th rounders probably shouldn't make the team anyways.

There's also always UDFA which history shows turns out more solid starters than day 3 picks anyways.

I mean, a team only needs so many Scooby Wrights and Cody Kesslers.

Oh I agree that the 5 1st and 2nd rounders we have are nothing to sneeze at, it was more of an inquiry of what we had left after all the wheeling and dealing the past day. There still is value of have g mid round picks and finding gap players or diamonds in the rouugh.

5 in the top 64 is good on paper, better on the field if they are hits and can produce.

That 3rd rounder from the Patriots is essentially a 4th rounder since they seem to always make the playoffs and have picks late in the rounds. Still a little bummed we gave up a player and draft pick for a mid round pick. I'm majorly bummed that we don't have ANY 1st round picks on our team from 2009 to 2015. That's just insane

j/c...

So checked the first page read all posts...skimmed through the rest.

1. My first reaction was Nooooo! I really liked Shelton.

2. Shelton lost the weight and had a pretty good season. It was in a 3-4 defense n he was a good NT.

3. We changed our D to an attack (46) D with 4 DL. Last year Shelton's play went down point blank he was that square peg in a round hole.

4. This his last year in contract. We were not going to offer him a new one, after 2018 he would be a FA n gone.

I can only guess we got the best we could.

Thank You Shelton...part of the back wash of a new era n DEFENSE!

My take on Trading Shelton

Only 33 tackles last year in 14 games played. ZERO sacks, ZERO forced fumbles, ZERO fumble recoveries. We would have had to have picked up his option for the 2019 season by May 2nd of this year for 7 Million in order to keep him past the 2018 season.

I also hear the Browns wanted him to lose a few more pounds (10) this off season and he went the other way gaining around 10 pounds.

Didn't realize we owed him 7 million BEFORE the season .. yeah, he had no chance to stick then

I read somewhere that Shelton got 44% of the snaps last year. Not many for a guy most feel is a good player. Ooun, Coley, and Brantley got far fewer snaps but all had better production.

Danny had 1.5 sacks on his career and a batted ball. 0 fumbles recovered and 0 caused fumbles.

Sorry, I am not feeling the love for Danny boy like many others do.

Don't agree with your assessment on his play, I thought the run D when he played was outstanding and while we were seldom gashed last season when we were it wasn't up the gut.

Strange as this may sound I thought Sheldon quietly had his best year, I would look but I am to damned lazy but the run D with and without would be a great place to look.

For the less informed NT or DT seldom lead the team in sacks or tackles for that matter. One thing I do know though we were damned tough to run up the gut on last year.

I won't argue the thought that the Browns simply didn't want to pay his salary this year but that is the only legit reason I can see to move on from Danny. That is unless they have someone already pegged to take his spot which they must have sense they have moved on, no GM worth spit moves on from one player without having something either in the works or in the fold.

Yes.

Shelton received 44% of the snaps.

Coley 61%
Ogunjobi 28%
Brantley 20%
Meder 17%

In comparison to 2016:

Different scheme but...

Shelton 67%
Meder 65%

Every year so far, Shelton has gotten better,, Having said that, I got no problem with trading player,, But damn, we gotta get more out of a former first rounder that is clearly not a bust... Maybe not a stud, but not a bust either.

If you think you can measure his impact based on tackles, sacks, batted balls and fumbles you're never going to understand why he was a good player.

No big deal, we have other DTs in the pipeline; i just hope we get good compensation for him.

if a 34 defensive scheme can't get heat to the qb then your issue has to start somewhere .
Shelton was porous in commanding double teams
centers had no issue blocking him.one on one
look at the recent 34 NT in the AFC North
they did everything better than Shelton did
you can go back to Casey Hampton and Haloti Ngata.
even 34 NT can get off a double team and cause a pocket to come apart
from time to time
as Shelton rarely could do that
he became a 2 down lineman.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets cut in New England
he's not aggressive enough to be a difference maker

All good points that I agree with. DS is a good kid that was likeable but just an average to slightly above average player that didn't fit our D scheme. If he was any more than that and could help us do you think our new FO would let him go? I think not. We finally have people that have experience and know what they are doing. I have confidence they will do a good job.

We need to hope the Pats nosedive or its basically a 4th round pick.

I've come around to the reasoning behind the trade, just don't like losing productive first round picks.

Interesting opinions but they don't match up with the reality of Shelton's play:


https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-week-6-signature-stat-spotlight-run-stop-percentage

Fyi.....

http://www.classictvsports.com/2017/11/the-myth-about-fair-hooker-comment.html?m=1

Wednesday, November 1, 2017
The myth about the Fair Hooker comment attributed to Don Meredith
In 1970, ABC introduced Monday Night Football and placed the colorful Don Meredith in the booth alongside Keith Jackson and Howard Cosell. Meredith became known for his irreverent style and classic one-liners. Perhaps the most famous quote attributed to Meredith took place in the debut regular season edition of this prime time series. Late in the second quarter of that telecast, Meredith commented about the intriguing name of Browns wide receiver Fair Hooker. According to a frequently cited legend, Dandy Don uttered a follow-up remark along the lines of "I haven't met one yet."

I've long wondered how this commentary sounded on-air (more on that later). First, let's take a look at several versions of this tale which have appeared in print.

Meredith died in 2010 and his obituary in the New York Times contained this statement:

Mr. Meredith offered a taste of his breezy, even risqué, humor in that first broadcast. In talking about the Cleveland Browns receiver Fair Hooker, Mr. Meredith said, “Fair Hooker — I haven’t met one yet.”

Upon Meredith's passing, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel recounted the story this way:

Perhaps the greatest line of them all came in the first Monday night game between the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns.
Cleveland receiver Fair Hooker had just caught a pass, which really got Meredith going.
"Isn't Fair Hooker a great name?" he asked.
Keith Jackson said nothing and for once Cosell was speechless.
Meredith then added, "Fair Hooker . . . I haven't met one yet."

Another variation appeared in this 1978 Washington Post article:

Or the time he said of Fair Hooker (the Cleveland wide receiver), "Now there's a name. Fair Hooker. I ain't never met one yet."

The 1988 book Monday Night Mayhem, a detailed history of ABC's Monday Night Football, offered this version:

"Isn't Fair Hooker a great name?" Meredith asked, with the implications hanging.
"I pass," Jackson said.
Cosell, perhaps reluctant to hear what might come next, said nothing.
Meredith went on anyway. "Fair Hooker", he mused. "I haven't met one yet."

Obviously some of the details on the exact wording and the reactions of Jackson and Cosell are inconsistent in these renditions. But the essence of the story is that during this Jets-Browns telecast, Meredith commented about the name Fair Hooker and then followed up with a classic line about never having met one. And numerous other newspapers, magazines, and books over the years have described the incident along those lines. However, there is one major problem with this tale. The famous alleged on-air follow-up statement never happened!

A full copy of this 9/21/70 telecast recently surfaced on YouTube. I located the exchange in question starting around the 1:23:21 mark as Meredith analyzes the previous play:

Meredith: Isn't Fair Hooker a great name?
Cosell: <after a slight pause> I pass.
Jackson: 3rd down and about 42 yards to go

And that was the extent of it. No follow-up remark of "I haven't met one yet" or anything resembling it. I wondered whether Meredith may have made that kind of statement later in the telecast. But I listened to the remainder of the video and found no such comment.

So where did this famous story come from? I have no idea. I suppose that once it appeared in print, other publications assumed it was true without attempting to verify it and simply ran with it. But that doesn't explain how it got printed that way in the first place. Perhaps Meredith was later interviewed about his "great name" comment and added the "haven't met one yet" quip at that time.

It seems that this often quoted Meredith line was really too good to be true.

Wait a minute,he had 11 tackles in 6 games,with 10 of those coming in two games.
Where the hell was he the other 4?

how many run stops were a result of a negative run no gain at all or a run not converting a 1st down ?
in this day and age of the NFL a run stopping DT
is kinda like a run stopping lb
they just aren't as coveted as much in a league dominated by pass attempts.
Shelton is a liability vs the pass.
he can't collapse or cause disruption to the pocket
he has 1.5 sacks for his career
I've seen DTs do that in a single game
nice kid with the intensity of a Amish pole builder

Probably going to disrespect his cover skills next . . . .

Now that is funny.

Point blank I thought he played well for us in fact I thought it was his best year by far. The fact that the Browns moved on says they think I am wrong, and you know what I have no problem with being wrong point blank.

We were pretty good in the middle last season and like I said and you pointed out we have players we feel can do the job and have moved on to them.

But you crack me up with your point blank....

I think you are right. It's just that Danny is a zero tech and we really want another 3 tech in there.

Plus, how many teams play a 3-4 defense? I would guess that you would have to cut the league in half, at least, to find a market for Shelton. Then, find out which teams, out of those, need a NT. While Shelton's deal isn't huge, it is still $2 million, and a team trading for him has to account for it on their books.

I would also add that this is a direct consequence of us changing coaches/schemes all the time. If we had stayed with Pettine, Shelton would still fit. Horton was a 3-4 defensive coordinator. Shelton fit. Williams is a 4-3 DC, and Shelton just isn't a fit in his style of defense. We have got to stop changing head coaches, and changing schemes all the time.

I hear ya.

I understand full well. It was just a matter of fit. In a 3-4 he is a great player. In a 4-3, he doesn't do much.

he didn't do much in either scheme very few splash plays or the ability to dominate the man across from him

Actually he's a fine 1 tech in a 4-3, it's just GW doesn't use a 1 tech in his defense. He can two gap in either defense.

Whatever......he just didn't producce results.

Good post

Imo our D is more of an attacking/pressure D and tackle the ballcarrier on the way to the QB.

Begin with pressure followed by more pressure, and finally, end with pressure.

When in doubt, more pressure.

Imo just not a fit in Williams style of D.

Just my $0.02.

He did what a 1 tech does in a 3-4 defense, and that's to completely jam up the middle of the LOS. His job was to eat space, not to penetrate and attack, and he did that job well.

Williams defense doesn't need a NT who plays a 1 tech, though. That doesn't mean that he's not a good player in the defense in which he was drafted to play, and it doesn't mean that he isn't useful. He is, just not here.

So we are in agreement. I said early on that he is a 3-4 NT...and a good one. As a DT in a Williams D, he isn't very good.

It's just a matter of fit. I wish Danny well.