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its not Corey's fault. He gets cold.


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its hues fault.. he never taught him to catch.....


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its hues fault.. he never taught him to catch.....


Sure he did, he caught cold feet.


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He'll get traded to the Chargers for a 6th round conditional and start for them for the next 4 years.

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Hmm.. wondering when the trade deadline is..

I'd hold onto Coleman at least thru camp..


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Don't think we trade him but expect to cut him in camp...


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Hmm.. wondering when the trade deadline is..

I'd hold onto Coleman at least thru camp..


I think trade deadline is like week six of the regular season. Plenty of time to form an opinion and make moves if necessary.

People have said his trade value is low now, but I think it would be even lower later on. At least now is the time of a potential, "Browns are giving up on him too soon" narrative. Later, it could be more along the reasoning of, "Browns gave him further chance and it still didn't work out. That's a serious red flag."

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Hmmph.. most likely correct, I guess I was just thinking out loud..


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He's broken his hand twice, and watched a ball hit him in the face through his hands when it mattered most. I'm not sure how much value we'd get for him. I'd like to see what he can do with a good qb.


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Browns fans are hilarious. So let's get rid of what is currently our 3rd best WR. Never mind that our 4th, 5th, and 6th receivers are notably worse. Never mind that our #1 has a better than average chance of being kicked out of the league at any moment. Never mind that WRs typically take 1.5-3 seasons to really produce in the NFL. Never mind that unusual injuries are a large part of his lack of production to date.

People around here are ready to throw out any dude that isn't a probowler by year 2. Coleman doesn't appear to be the #1 we wanted him to be, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he can be a decent #2 (outside). Why can't we let it play out naturally? If he ends up being the 6th-7th best wideout in late August, so be it. I doubt it, but have been wrong many times before. But forcing an issue when there is none just seems to be a weird Browns fan thing to do.


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Quote:
.I would like to see Coleman with a real QB


Trade Gordon and Coleman to SF for a 1st and a 4th


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jc..

Cory Coleman's value may not be higher than it is "now"..before the 2018 season starts.

Signing Landry who is similar in size to Cory Coleman and who lead the NFL in receptions in 2017 and has a history of being durable, missing only 7 starts in 4 seasons.

Josh Gordon is likely the Browns #1/#2 wr..so where does that leave Cory Coleman?

I view Coleman as potential "trade bait" if a decent deal is presented. If a deal is not presented, Coleman will bring added depth if he can remain healthy.

The Browns will likely be looking to add more WR talent via free agency and/or the draft, making Coleman a target for trade.

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if we could get a 5th rounder for Coleman I'm all over it ... however, I doubt we can

Maybe we can get a team to swap 2nd round picks or something


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He's broken his hand twice, and watched a ball hit him in the face through his hands when it mattered most. I'm not sure how much value we'd get for him. I'd like to see what he can do with a good qb.


You forgot the constant hamstring issues that was well known in college. He had an entire off season to repair and recoup, coaches admitted they put him on a pitch count and limited him... and he STILL had a hamstring issue. That's more concerning than his hands to me, which in itself is another huge concern.

I say keep him but don't expect anything and look at the other kids on the roster to take his spot come cuts.

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He's broken his hand twice, and watched a ball hit him in the face through his hands when it mattered most. I'm not sure how much value we'd get for him. I'd like to see what he can do with a good qb.


When the ball goes through your hands and hits you in the face, it's not the fault of the QB. You can measure a WR based on what he does when the ball is thrown well to him. Thus far Coleman hasn't impressed me.


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jc..

Cory Coleman's value may not be higher than it is "now"..before the 2018 season starts.

Signing Landry who is similar in size to Cory Coleman and who lead the NFL in receptions in 2017 and has a history of being durable, missing only 7 starts in 4 seasons.

Josh Gordon is likely the Browns #1/#2 wr..so where does that leave Cory Coleman?

I view Coleman as potential "trade bait" if a decent deal is presented. If a deal is not presented, Coleman will bring added depth if he can remain healthy.

The Browns will likely be looking to add more WR talent via free agency and/or the draft, making Coleman a target for trade.


Thought we tried to move Coleman like we did Shelton. Just rumored there were no takers.

Lets put it this way, He's better than Higgans. He has to put up or take a hike this year.

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Too early to give up on Coleman. He's had his up's and down'd, but there have been up's.

He isn't a #1, and we have had to play him as such most of his career.

I think he can still be a pretty good player. After Gordon and Landry, who is better than Coleman?

That is the thing with draft picks and some fans. We drafted Coleman thinking he would be a #1 type player. Ok....he isn't...that doesn't mean he isn't any good or a bust.....he is just a bust in the minds of fans who somehow think draft position is important once a player is in the league.

Coleman is still a good player. It reminds me of Gerrard Warren. Ok, he never became the next "Mean" Joe, which was the hope.

He did go on to start for a few other teams another 6-7 years after he left the Browns. That is far from being a bust. He just didn't meet the expectations some in Cleveland had.


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Too early to give up on Coleman. He's had his up's and down'd, but there have been up's.

He isn't a #1, and we have had to play him as such most of his career.

I think he can still be a pretty good player. After Gordon and Landry, who is better than Coleman?

That is the thing with draft picks and some fans. We drafted Coleman thinking he would be a #1 type player. Ok....he isn't...that doesn't mean he isn't any good or a bust.....he is just a bust in the minds of fans who somehow think draft position is important once a player is in the league.

Coleman is still a good player. It reminds me of Gerrard Warren. Ok, he never became the next "Mean" Joe, which was the hope.

He did go on to start for a few other teams another 6-7 years after he left the Browns. That is far from being a bust. He just didn't meet the expectations some in Cleveland had.


When he came back last year from injury he was disappointing for sure. That also was when he was expected to be THE guy with the turnover machine throwing his way.

I think having a healthy Gordon and Landry will open the door for Coleman to improve.

If we are going with the oldschool new browns comparisons....

Jarvis Landry is kind of like Kevin Johnson.
Corey Coleman is comparable to Dennis Northcutt.

I was going to compare Gordon to Quincy Morgan but I thought better of it...



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LOL....Quincy Morgan, our thumbless receiver.


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Originally Posted By: CleVeLaNd_sTrife

I was going to compare Gordon to Quincy Morgan but I thought better of it...


Not sure what's more stoned ... Gordon body, or Morgan's hands.

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He's broken his hand twice, and watched a ball hit him in the face through his hands when it mattered most. I'm not sure how much value we'd get for him. I'd like to see what he can do with a good qb.


When the ball goes through your hands and hits you in the face, it's not the fault of the QB. You can measure a WR based on what he does when the ball is thrown well to him. Thus far Coleman hasn't impressed me.


I never said him missing that ball was the QBs fault, unless you consider that was probably the best throw Kizer made all year, and coleman didn't know what to do with it.


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Time to revisit Chansi Stuckey?

I don't know, I get nostalgic this time every year.

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Would Browns trade Corey Coleman?

Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2018, 6:46 PM EDT

With the return of Josh Gordon and the trade for Jarvis Landry and the drafting of Antonio Callaway, the Browns suddenly have a crowded room at the receiver position. Does that make 2016 first-rounder Corey Coleman the odd man out? Perhaps.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer suggests that the Browns would trade Coleman, if the Browns receive a “decent offer.”

It’s unclear what that precisely means, but whoever gets Coleman would be banking on him playing much better than he has in two NFL seasons. Injuries (a pair of broken hands) have been an issue, and Coleman has only 718 career receiving yards in 19 career regular-season games. The question becomes whether he can be more durable, and whether he can do more when he plays.

If Coleman washes out of Cleveland, he’d become the latest failed first-round receiver in an eye-opening list of them. After Julio Jones and A.J. Green arrived in 2011 (Jonathan Baldwin was the first-round bust that year), round one has produced more than a few receivers who failed to live up to their potential. In 2012, Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, Kendall Wright, and A.J. Jenkins didn’t work out. In 2013, Tavon Austin and Cordarrelle Patterson became more bust than boom. (DeAndre Hopkins turned out OK.) In 2015, Kevin White, DeVante Parker (who has yet to break out), Nelson Agholor, Breshad Perriman, and Phillip Dorsett eventually underachieved. (Amari Cooper was the exception.)The 2016 class of Coleman, Will Fuller (1,058 total yards in two seasons, so not really a bust), Josh Doctson, and Laquon Treadwell have been uninspiring, at best. In 2017, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and John Ross failed to overwhelm as rookies.

Of course, 2014 provided a major exception to the trend, with Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, and Kelvin Benjamin each performing at a high level, even through three of them were traded, with one traded twice.

As it relates to Coleman, the change of scenery that would come from a trade could be a welcome development. And so we’ll see whether the Browns get a “decent offer” for his services at some point before training camps open.

Based on Coleman’s first two years, a “decent offer” could be the Browns giving another team a draft pick to take his remaining guaranteed money off the books.

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Would Browns trade Corey Coleman?

Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2018, 6:46 PM EDT

With the return of Josh Gordon and the trade for Jarvis Landry and the drafting of Antonio Callaway, the Browns suddenly have a crowded room at the receiver position. Does that make 2016 first-rounder Corey Coleman the odd man out? Perhaps.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer suggests that the Browns would trade Coleman, if the Browns receive a “decent offer.”

It’s unclear what that precisely means, but whoever gets Coleman would be banking on him playing much better than he has in two NFL seasons. Injuries (a pair of broken hands) have been an issue, and Coleman has only 718 career receiving yards in 19 career regular-season games. The question becomes whether he can be more durable, and whether he can do more when he plays.

If Coleman washes out of Cleveland, he’d become the latest failed first-round receiver in an eye-opening list of them. After Julio Jones and A.J. Green arrived in 2011 (Jonathan Baldwin was the first-round bust that year), round one has produced more than a few receivers who failed to live up to their potential. In 2012, Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, Kendall Wright, and A.J. Jenkins didn’t work out. In 2013, Tavon Austin and Cordarrelle Patterson became more bust than boom. (DeAndre Hopkins turned out OK.) In 2015, Kevin White, DeVante Parker (who has yet to break out), Nelson Agholor, Breshad Perriman, and Phillip Dorsett eventually underachieved. (Amari Cooper was the exception.)The 2016 class of Coleman, Will Fuller (1,058 total yards in two seasons, so not really a bust), Josh Doctson, and Laquon Treadwell have been uninspiring, at best. In 2017, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and John Ross failed to overwhelm as rookies.

Of course, 2014 provided a major exception to the trend, with Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham Jr., Brandin Cooks, and Kelvin Benjamin each performing at a high level, even through three of them were traded, with one traded twice.

As it relates to Coleman, the change of scenery that would come from a trade could be a welcome development. And so we’ll see whether the Browns get a “decent offer” for his services at some point before training camps open.

Based on Coleman’s first two years, a “decent offer” could be the Browns giving another team a draft pick to take his remaining guaranteed money off the books.


I wouldn't mind if they traded him. Too prone to injury.

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Why would they? They would get nothing for him and he's on a rookie deal.

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I agree that he's mighty injury-prone so far, but I am also always prepared to read that Gordon &/or Callaway are gone.

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On paper we have a promising receiving corps.

On paper.

Maybe I should say, as long as they don't each "get a paper".

Gordon and Callaway need to stay away from those pesky letters from the commissioner, saying that they failed another test.

Coleman needs to stay away from the release instruction sheet from the doctor who does surgery on broken hands.

Ratley is also no sure bet to stay out of trouble.

So .... of our top 5 (arguably) receivers, we have potential problems with 4 of them. Jarvis Landry is really the only one we can depend on, day in and day out.

Oh sure, we have Jeff Janis ..... but who knows what he is.


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I think that if Coleman could stay healthy, he'd be a solid guy.


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I would rather keep him than trade him. I am not ready to give up on him yet.

He wasn't drafted into the best situation. He has had some ill timed injuries that have made his production appear much worse than it actually was. The drop in the Steelers game definitely didn't help his case either.

I also think he will benefit by being the 3rd or 4th option as opposed to the #1.

If we trade him for a 4th round pick and then one of our receivers get hurt, then what?

We can't let a sunk cost impact our decision making moving forward.


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On each occasion, preceding his injuries, Coleman was showing signs of why he was a first round draft pick imo.


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Lets wait and see what he looks like with a real QB.. None of our receivers had a chance last year to do much of anything. Dude would have had 750 yds last year with the Pats or Steelers.

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If Coleman learns to catch the ball. Learns to run a route and can go 16 games without pulling a hammy or breaking a bone along with not havig his posse beat someone up, he could be our best receiver.

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Why would they? They would get nothing for him and he's on a rookie deal.


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Originally Posted By: Mourgrym
If Coleman learns to catch the ball. Learns to run a route and can go 16 games without pulling a hammy or breaking a bone along with not havig his posse beat someone up, he could be our best receiver.


is that all he has to do?


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Wow, forgot about Justin Blackmon. I remember folks being all over the idea of drafting him that year; he was "guaranteed" to be good, heh.


Unless someone steps up with an offer that we'd be stupid to pass on, he stays here and gets to compete. If he makes the roster by earning it, then he's in... otherwise, cut him loose. Don't overthink whether or not we can get something; not every player is worth trying to hoodwink another team into trading for them (but, if you can, go for it, lol).

Beyond that, folks should remember that the guy we drafted has accomplished even less than Coleman, so far, and is nothing more than Hope and Wishes right now. Don't go counting chickens, yet.




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Coleman has built a reputation on 2 injury filled seasons of under acheivment. If he weren't a 1st round pick he might not be on the roster now. He needs to come out of the gate fast in mini camp and training camp and be injury free. If not he will get cut.


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