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Sorry, don't bee fooled by the first play, I see Fitz lining has slot corner ,like he does most of the time,where do you see him outside...

The 13 reps has Outside Cb were stats from Pff:

"Fitzpatrick has elite play and traits, but his NFL question is what position he will play at the next level. The position with the most value to NFL teams is perimeter corner, but he played just 13 snaps there in 2017 and how he will perform there at the next level is almost pure speculation. He has been a versatile and productive star in the Alabama defense at multiple positions and should have the athleticism to project outside at the next level, but that projection is an unknown variable. "

I also think they are severely downplaying his vertical leap...

Ronnie Harrison is Bama's FS, and he lines up deeper than Fitz

You say this after Ed posts a video that proves my point, amazing.....

You must not have watched much of the game cut-up. He's playing outside CB for half the game. All you have to do is watch, smh. Its only 4 minutes 31 seconds.

Did you look at the time stamp I mentioned? @ 2:12? When he's playing in off tech and still makes a PBU? It's a good example of the traits he shows on tape that make some people think he can play outside CB.



PFF said "but he played just 13 snaps there in 2017"

You said he only played 13 snap in his career. Big difference. No need to move the goal posts. You made some comments that were incorrect. No big deal.

Also, you still didn't respond about what you mean by FS.

I just spent 20 minutes making gifs of Fitz from this game.
And naturally when it clicked submit I got an error message:
"Hmmm...can’t reach this page" and poof...the whole post vanished into the interwebs!

Fitz lined up bottom of screen (L) @ outside CB (PBU 1)






This is the play I mentioned in the previous post where he's outside CB playing off coverage and flips his hips to close on the ball (PBU 2) from off coverage:




He's in the slot here BUT i included since we're talking about whether or not he can play outside CB in the NFL and this play shows his coverage and ball skill (INT 1):


^^Same w/ this play (INT 2):



Here he rotates into half fied FS:



Here's he's roaming or play 'star' in zone, you see his feel and awareness and ball skills as he reads the play (INT 3 returns it for a TD):


I think you can see why some people think Fitz might be able to play outside CB and/or FS in the NFL. You see his man coverage, zone coverage, awareness, ball skill and return skills. And although it looks like a highlight tape, its not.

Minkah can play outside CB, covering players if the slot receiver plays outside....

Jared Cornelius, #1 Arkansas WR is a slot receiver....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqnAIZpDU0

Clemson Championship game, you can see Fitz playing against better opponents..

He does not look good... 2 Td's allowed... Yikes....

And you keep on insisting that Fitz plays FS, when its well documented that he does not.. He played Strong Safety, and teh Star position which is closer to SS than FS.

There are a number of plays where a slot CB or a Nickle can line deep, by design he was not a FS nor an outside CB, he is a Slot Corner and a Star player in the Saban D...

I guess he's just going to ignore my post?

You are kidding right?

Did you even look at the images that were posted?

First one you have a 2n and goal, and Ed says Fitz lines has a FS....

2nd Fitz is covering the Arkansas slot receiver.

All the other ones, except one he is playing slot corner or covering #1..

Pff says he only got 13 reps has outside CB, 60% of the reps are with Fitz playing Slot Corner, and most of the others he was playing STAR/Nickle...

Most of the analysts say that its questionable if Fitz can play Outside CB
...


Could Fitz play Outside CB in College, I have no doubts he could, but didn't, which is very strange...

Can he play outside CB in the NFL, its doubtfull...

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/5/17078032/minkah-fitzpatrick-draft-film-interview-alabama-2018

Article from SB nation explaining where Fitz plays

You can say you don't think Fitz can play CB or FS in the NFL. To each their own. The funny thing is I'm proly the person closet to your line of thinking on Fitz.

But when you make statements that prove to be wrong/incorrect why not just own it? Everyone makes mistakes now and then, no big deal.

You said Fitz never played CB or FS. Those are clearly incorrect statements. I posted a game where he plays about half his snaps at outside CB. Its right there. But you choose to ignore it. You don't even need to make those wild claims to express your opinion; heck those claims probably weaken the perception of your opinion.

Anyway moving on...

Have you not seen him have a conversation with anyone else? I don't even reply anymore.

And how are my statements incorrect?

Bleach report, SB nation and a number of other sources are incorrect also...

You realize that you grasping for straws here, and now have an argument based on the fact that Fitz did play one/few reps in the position to say that I was wrong...

Having limited reps on the position does not mean a player plays the position. You know that, so I don't even know what we are debating here,honestly.

Regarding the ability for Fitz to play outside CB, I'm far from being the only one who has questions about it, almost any draft profile says the same thing.

I'm not saying Fitz is a bad player, all I'm questioning is if he should be in consideration for a top 5 pick.

Also saying we drafted Fitz last year on Peppers...

Maybe you forgot. But I was clearly talking about this statement you made below:

^^It was and still is a false statement.

Don't shift the goal posts. You made a statement, quoted above in red, that statement is and remains false. The rest is just tap dancing.

I was actually hoping to have a real convo, i'm one of the few guys that like James better then Fitz but oh well.......

I have never seen anything like this, footage from Carson Wentz's combine interview:

https://twitter.com/JReidDraftScout/status/975155660106190849

Interesting stuff. Sure wish we drafted this guy. Hindsight is 20-20 though I guess. I was a Goff fan (who looks plenty good too), but was all in on the trade down when it happened

I really wish I knew who made the evaluation on Wentz. We all have our suspicions and nobody here knows for sure, so I don't want to rehash that argument. But it would be really interesting to know how that discussion went down.

The answer to that question probably lies in who was fired and who was retained.

Again, supposition without true evidence and an argument that I am not going to get involved in.

Link

No true evidence? I'm pretty sure that Sashi was fired and Hue wasn't. Is that incorrect?

I think the only reason Hue is still here is that Haslam gave his word on 3 years to Hue.

I don't think he explicitly gave it to Sashi and after the McCarron trade fiasco he felt like he had to fire somebody.

I wonder who made the McCarron evaluation.

....what is this thread supposed to be about again?

Dorsey's the one evaluating at the combine "now", and hopefully it will all work out in the end.

We'll never know what went down until his memoir comes out.

I Didn't Call The Plays - Sashi Brown

For those out there that do mocks or read mocks have you noticed Josh Jackson seems to be moving down in perception?

He ran a 4.56 at the combine and ever since has been "sliding".

I still like the kid though and drafting him in the 2nd round or later would be awesome.

I almost hope he doesn't run well at Iowa's proday...but I suspect he will.

Josh Jackson, IMHO he is not fast nor physical.... tackling problems and lack o aggression will prevent him being drafted for a FS position...

Don't think he is NFL CB caliber....