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huh? Do you mean, if the Browns take a qb a pick #1?

Yes, they have to listen to offers at 4. But, I hope for a lot. Especially if Barkley is there. I'm also warming up to the idea of Bradley Chubb. I like Ogbah, but a rotation of Chubb, Garrett, and Ogbah would be pretty nuts.


The Chiefs had two stud DE's, made their defense mighty formidable

Yeah, i meant pick #4 thanks will correct.

Why!!!

Isn't it better to get a great player than trade down for a couple of average players?

For us, generally it would be.


It's why I told the Bills fan I met today, that if they're looking to trade up they probably have a better shot at number 3 than number 4

But it never hurts to listen. A good deal is a good deal. And most everyone has a price

Your against listening to offers?

You listen to offers if you have a cluster a players with equal grades and you trade down to stay in that same range of players then you aren't trading down from great players to average players. You're trading down to stay in the range of great players while acquiring more draft picks.

The Browns are in need of quality playmakers. Stay at 4 and take the highest player on their board. Tired of trading down only to see players we could have had become stars while we can't win.

The Bills have just traded Cordy Glenn and the 21st pick to the Bengals for the 12th pick. So this means the Bills have pick 12 and 22 in the first round. They have to be thinking that they need to vault into the top 4 to get a quarterback.

Personally, I would absolutely take the quarterback at 1 that we want, and then at 4, trade the 4th overall to Buffalo for #12, 22, 2nd rounder, and get our 3rd rounder back. There are just so much potential there. At 12 you could possibly get a Ward, Derwin James or offensive tackle, and at 22 get whichever of these positions you didn't get at 12.

I really like the class this year, and I have said for a while, that with the draft capital we have this year, I would like to spin it all into 4 first rounders this year!

Knowing the most important position is the QB..Then the second most is pass rusher then the third should be DB.

I'm not all sold on any of these QB's being a #1 or #4. I really think these guys will drop in the draft..

I'm also thinking to build the D up in this draft.. trade down from 1 to 2 or 3 and get Chubbs with 2nd or 3rd pick.

Then either take a guy you like at 4 or trade back to 6-7 for Fitzpatrick..

could we then have picks that would have us get guys like Josh Jackson..Jaire Alexander or Denzel Ward available to grab ?

Nick chubb and Josh Allen one of them could be available with the second round picks ..

I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I wouldn't be surprised if the QBs go very quick.

I also think we need more for our offense than defense. With Garrett, Ogbah, Jamie Collins, Christian Kirksey, Larry Ogunjobi, and Joe Schobert, we have a lot of picks and money wrapped up on the defense.

Just for balance sake, I don't think I'd want to draft two defensive players at the top.


QB at 1. After that, at four, I'd like Saquon Barkley. Bradley Chubb is close behind. If neither are available, Fitzpatrick with an eye on a trade down wouldn't be bad.


EDIT: I agree about Nick Chubb though. In a deep RB class, he doesn't get talked about much, but he'd be a great compliment to go with Duke Johnson

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Average picks are also picked a pick four.

I think he's talking about Bradley Chubb, DE NC State

Is that feasible in this draft though?

How deep do you go before the STUDS drop off?

I only see THREE Can't Miss Guys in this draft.

Barkley
Chubb
Fitzpatrick

Need to look deeper into what could be available at 12 and 22.

Don't like missing out on STUDS.

Give me our 12+ year QB and a STUD.

Now, if Buffalo talks 12, 22 and their 2019 1st rounder? I'm all ears.

Gotta look at possible combination at 12 and 22.

But those not taken return nothing. We need to pick...

I've heard several say that Quentin Nelson is the best player in this class, which is odd for a LG. I would include his name. And while Fitz has been discussed a lot here, I'm not sure there is much drop off between him and James. Ward at CB and Raquan Smith at LB might be considered studs too. Then, of course, you have to figure in the QB hungry teams looking to grab QB if there is a run at the top. And there are almost always teams who reach for needs which might knock a stud down the board.

I'm not advocating trading down, I like #1 and #4, but I think there will be players worth considering further down the draft.

so, I am 100% convinced Indy will trade with someone, probably Jets or Broncos so they can still get Chubb or Barkley. I'm 50% convinced Giants will as well and most likely the same two teams.

Browns go QB at 1, sorry Sequon-truthers
QB goes # 2 (Giants or trade up from Broncos, Jets, Zona, Miami, Bills)
QB goes # 3 (Indy trade down - Broncos, Jets, Zona, Miami, Bills)

Browns trade back to 5 or 6 and take Chubb...I just don't believe the FO values a RB that high. That being said, I'm happy if we walk away with Barkley, Fitzpatrick or Chubb

If Joe Thomas retires, we may need to go with Mike McGlinchey

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Very fluid athlete with background as tight end. Natural movements and able to make cross-face and cut-off blocks. Uses tight, controlled settle steps to help promote balanced, centered contact at the point of attack. Good bender. Strikes and rolls his hips up under him. Advanced technician. Experienced and successful in gap and zone schemes and can play either tackle spot. Works hips double teams hip to hip and has well-timed climbs to linebackers. Quality down-blocker who gets movement and push with leg churn. Works to sustain. Pass sets with excellent posture. Weight is generally dispersed properly throughout his kick slides. Punch placement is adequate. Plays with adequate mirror. Instinctive and searches for trouble brewing with twists and blitzes. Named a team captain in consecutive years.

WEAKNESSES Below average core strength. Needs more mass on his frame. May not have leg drive to move anchored space eaters. Inconsistent at containing opponents as base blocker. Needs to sustain and finish at a better rate. Power ends can stack and discard him. Allows pad level to rise as move blocker. Pass slide is a little restricted in terms of gaining ground. Tends to deaden feet at punch allowing speed rushers access to his edge if his punch falls flat or misses entirely. Will lean into some blocks as mechanism to boost power. Will uncork his punch a shade too early at times for fear of losing the "hands first" battle. Can be bounced back into pocket by stiff stab moves.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 1

not a glamorous pick .. but a necessary pick... He won't be there in the second round...

I've brought this up, a trade back into round 1 (which I love because it gives us the ability to fifth round option, then we can franchise tag if need be).

But folks who know Notre Dame seem to say the guy just isn't athletic and will be a journeyman RT in the NFL.

So I've cooled off on this idea

I still think that we take Barkley at 1 and either take Josh Allen at four or move up to take him at 3.. Just my opinion

Maycock has him rated as the top Tackle in the draft.

Josh Allen at 3 yikes, that would hurt...

3rd round?

Mayock also rates everyone from Notre Dame high

This doesn't make sense.

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Browns at four: We will get offers depending upon which guy is left. But I really believe Barkley is there.

Not sure if we take Barkley, Fitz, or Chubb. Or if we trade out it depends with who and if we can still get our target.

The Browns fourth pick is Gold.

bonefish We could trade down with the Jets to #6 and still get one of those 3 + some nice picks

Kolten Miller - UCLA at the beginning of the second round, possibly.

I also believe that Barkley and Chubb will be there at 4. I also believe that Dorsey may go Chubb over Barkley, if that is the case.

I never thought I would say this but I agree with this now, he has been checking out veteran DE's for a while now and can you Imagine Garrett and Chubb along with Ogbah and Nassib ...

Agree 100%...hoping Bills trade up to 3 which forces Jets or Broncos to trade up and we still get one of the top 2 or 3 non-QBs by only going back 1-2 spots. Obviously I'm not a Sequon-truther but would not be disappointed if we took him

I'm just hoping these trade ups happen well before the draft (like when the Rams and Eagles traded up) so that we get a sense of what is going on.

I agree. I definitely think Dorsey would go Chubb over Barkley and I have absolutely no problems with that.

I think he'd take Ward and Fitz over Barkley as well.

I'd hope so, but I kind of doubt it. There'd be more than 3 QBs in play and we don't even know who we are going to pick

It's possible.......

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I guess, but would anyone move to three or four without knowing who the QBs are going to be before them?

I mean, I guess the Eagles and Rams did their thing with Goff and Wentz, but this would be even bigger.

I don't see any of these actually happen until that pick is on the clock. The parameters worked out ahead of time, sure, but the execution only when that pick is up and it is known who is there and who isn't.

If someone has two QBs ranked the same at the top and honestly does not care which one they get, then trading to #2 makes sense.

Buffalo trading to #5 to get ahead of the Jets makes no sense until pick #5 is on the clock. If they do it early, then the Jets have time to jump ahead of them.

Exactly. Everything depends on if their QB is there when they have a good opportunity to trade up.

They will value the QBs differently and thus value the trade up differently.


Either way, I bet we see the top four QBs going early. Jackson mid-first and Rudolph late first.


There's just a lot of QB needy teams and then there's teams that will need QBs soon like the Steelers and Chargers and Saints

This means there is a very good chance Barkely will be there at 4.