DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum is John Dorsey the 1st Browns GM with the win now approach?

with all these moves in FA it's quite evident that Dorsey is ready to prime the franchise for a win now culture
is he the 1st GM to have that mindset
or does Butch Davis count ?
in any event it's starting to look like the Browns are shaping up.to have a competitive NFL roster

I'll wait til I see 4 solid quarters of football played on a Sunday

I'd say he's in both rebuild (what choice does he have?) and win now mode.

And I might add, he's the ONLY GM we've had since the return. The rest were poor excuses for the title.

I like the moves....although i have the nfl Ed Sabol "what do you do with a drunken sailor" instramental playing in my head

That would be grading the results, not the approach.

I saw an article a couple days ago that basically said Sashi deserved some credit for creating the cap space and the draft capital for the Browns to pull off these moves..

If I'm not mistaken, we had cap space and draft capital last year too and all he did was keep moving back, taking lesser players, not aggressively going after anybody good in FA.. just kicking the can down the road...

But at least we passed on Carson Wentz so we could have "draft capital"....

IMO, every GM better have that approach.

This team was stripped and a basic foundation of young players were acquired.A OL was assembled, and a Dline was being formed. Now is the time. We have always said to not waste money on FAs but to build from the draft and add essential FAs when the time was right.

IMO, the time is right. We have a nice core of young players many going into their third season, some their second. The team had very little veteran presence. Now is a great time to add some. Dorsey is adding good veteran players that are in their prime, you mix that with our young base with another year of experience, and tides will change.

I think this team is way better at this point than it was last season. The vets that were acquired are players that have experience and some have had good careers so far.

Many holes have been filled, making it possible to truly go BPA in this draft. We needed a decent QB, a FS, WR, CB, and back-up Oline. Seems to me that he has filled the main holes, and can now build a strong roster by adding QUALITY depth. All this was done by not giving up any of our five 1st and 2nd rounders. I expect this team to be not just competitive this coming year, but to actually be pretty good.

It's not his mindset, it's the plan.

Sashi was brought in to clear out the team and get us cap space while tanking the record and acquire some young talent.

Now Dorsey brought in to evaluate and sign talent.

Time will tell if it works, but so far it's on track.

Dorsey is signing players I never heard of, making moves, trading for players I think can actually impact us big time, like Landry... all and all, even though I'm NOT an expert on most guys we got recently, I like the moves and what I've read about the players we've got.

Still not going to let my excitement get to me, but if we come into regular season and win three games right off the bat - I might have a heart attack.

We should win 8-10 games next year.



I am serious.

I don't know, but at this pace, he's likely to become the first GM in NFL history to burn 100mil in cap space, in a single offseason, for mostly average players.....

Interesting take !

Some people might think I'm crazy, but I think we can take a run at the playoffs.

Butch Davis certainly counts. Especially since he was the last coach to get us to the play offs.

Wasn't Butch Davis the coach?
Dorsey is the GMO right.

Butch was coach and GM

I believe John Dorsey is doing both; trying to win some games now yet building a solid foundation to become a yearly contender. I think he realizes how important it is for this franchise and it's fans to develop a winning culture and attitude and stop the negative mindset that has been prevalent for so long. Trying to do that while also trying to change the national and league wide perception of the Browns is no easy task. I feel he's the right man for the job and as a longtime Browns fan I wish him the best. It won't be easy.

Phil Savage was the GM that led the Browns to their best record since the return 10-6.

He thought the Browns were very close and went hard to put the team over the top in 2008 and the team flopped.

I think he tried very hard to win.

Shaun Rodgers and that D-Linemen from Green Bay

Corey Williams I think.

Savage is the last one I remember. Mangini brought in a lot of vets as well.

lol, trade back with the Jets and bring in guys like Abram Elam, Kenyon Coleman

We were the oldest team in the NFL when Holmgren and Heckert got here...certainly not building for the future lol

The change of attitude towards urgency to put a winner on the field is refreshing.

I definitely like what I'm seeing now.
I definitely think a competitive team will be on the grass.
That said, a shave of concern about the cap condition he left KC in.
I'm hoping he learned from past experiences.

No. Butch Davis went with a win now approach.

Farmer also went with a win now approach (unsuccessfully). Signing guys like, Donte Whitner, Dansby, Hawkins, Miles Austin, Ben Tate, Randy Starks, Tramon Williams, Brian Hartline, Dwayne Bowe.

Dorsey may be the first one with the a successful blueprint. Hopefully.

Just look at the age of the guys we added

Fells 31
Smith 30
Stephenson 29
Taylor 28
Carrie 27
Hyde 26
Hubbard 26
Landry 25
Mitchell 25
Randall 25

Yeah, clearly we knew what type of guy we wanted

And these are the oldest guys on the team

we cant have too many guys over 30 now

Butch Davis sold out on vets but he whiffed hard in the draft. Ugh William Green.

The seven youngest guys there should still be improving and have some upside.

Dorsey Def. seems like he has a plan, probably a few things he wish went better like getting Solder, but I think Dorsey and the FO probably accounted for all possibilities and once draft rolls around we'll get a better idea. He's def. helped the team so far with savvy trades and substantial upgrades in positions of need. He seems the most competent we've had since return. Draft will be the key, but we are setup for some sustainable success once we fix the HC issue

Oh, I get it. I do not necessarily see those guys as old, but on our team they are.

It's our gray beard group.

Yeah, your crazy. You guys say this crap every year - 8 games, 9 games, 10 games - then we win 1. or 0, or 4.

WE still have a loooonnnnggg way to go.

And that's when some saved cap space gets the one or two guys who put you over the top!

Debbie Downer...

We're going from Zero to Hero!

Buy those season tickets early.

You have no idea how much I hope you are right about that.. I want to believe

I see it that we should have won 3-4 last year. With the improvements we should add another 4-5 to that.

Just replacing Kizer should give us 5 wins.

Now it's a matter of coaching them up.