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So I am assuming it's been discussed that Barkely had 8 sub, 100 yard games and stunk up the joint against OSU last season?


He had 9 sub 100 yard games in 2017....

The Barkley people don't want to hear that stuff. He also had more tackles of loss than any other top RB comming out.

Quite possible.

In the 3 games Fournette missed last year, Jacksonville rushed for:

- 188 yards and 2 TDs (week 7)

- 149 yards and 0 TDs (week 9)

- 138 yards and 3 TDs (week 15)

If by stunk up the joint you mean took the opening kick to the house and had his OC pull a Hue and stop feeding him the ball when they were ahead, then it is something I'm willing to discuss.

Were they 9 sub 100 yard games or sub 100 rushing yard games?

He did have some bad games stat wise, but, when they scheme to take you away, it can happen. His team only lost 2 games, and there wasn't much he could do when he had OSU's DL almost making it to the handoff before he did. I still found myself holding my breath every time he touched the ball.

That's not to say that we should take him #1 overall, but he's a great prospect, and a great fit for where the NFL is headed.

Doesn't matter looks like the Browns prefer not to have a running game at all with the signing Hyde. Then they sign a TE who whenever he comes it the defense will automatically know we are not running the ball. Guess we only plan to pass the ball and pray to win. SIGH!

We can't draft a talented RB in the 2nd? It's likely the Browns take a RB with a pick in the second round.

I disagree with Fells being a tell to the defense. Fells is better pass blocker than run blocker.

Anytime Fells comes in they will know we are passing the ball. He is there just to pass block. "Hyde Fells" is the perfect name of a horror show soon to play at a game near you.

I am just totally disgusted right now. At this rate we won't even draft a QB at 1 or 4 and be told that Tyrod will be our franchise QB and how smart mr dorsey thinks he is for trading out of #1

Or hey how about he takes for DE chubbs at #1 so he can say how he got a better DE than sashi did since sashi didn't sign any REAL football players.

Barkely is talented no doubt but after signing Hyde I really believe we will be taking a QB @ #1 and maybe even Chubb @4. We can get a good RB later on and I think that is what JD is thinking. If Chubb is not there at 4 we can still draft the MF. the best CB or even the best O-linemen whomever our FO feels is the best player. JMO

I'm not saying Hyde is a beast, but with the signing of him, Duke, Dayes and even Glenn Winston (he's still here, right?), we could very much so in just that group provide good production at the RB spot.

I wasn't for Barkley at 4 hardly, and now I'm pretty much a definite NO. Let's work on other areas of need.

It's ok it's not like the Browns want to run the ball anyways. Might as well sign crap and continue to have a crap running game. Most of the teams in the NFL have forgotten how to run the football anymore anyways we might as well join them.

This opinion is gaining steam. There is someone on practically every thread that agrees with this.

What does a kickoff have to do with averaging 2.1 yards per carry against OSU? Stunk.Up.The.Joint. It was more like he was completely ineffective so they went away fro him.

He's a running back....in college...who had 8 sub 100 yard games....against college teams.


He had 1,200 yards rushing in 13 games his last year.
Gurley had 911 in 6 games his last year.
Zeke had 1,800 yards on 13 games his last year.


No running back is worthy of a #1 and he doesn't even stack up against the recent top picked RB's. Not sure I can be any more clear.


JMO and stats don't mean everything, but taking him top 5 is fools gold for an 0-16 team.

Well when you let a HB who sucks go and your only goal is to very slightly be a tiny less crappy it will tend to give that opinion.

Oh there are options but it seems pretty clear they plan to ignore the running game. Signing garbage like Hyde is all they need to say and everything is abundantly clear.

Alright. It's time to get over this man.

For godsakes, you seem heartbroken & depressed here.

The world is not going to end. Management and the OC both have a track record of doing well with RBs.

Relax and at least see where things go.

We signed Carlos Hyde. It's not the end of the world............

Wait until we don't draft Mason Rudolph.

lol

Carlos Hyde is far from garbage he was rated as the 21st best FA including the top FA RB ... www.nfl.com ...

Nah I don't get depressed anymore. I get angry cause I am sick and tired of this crap Yeah, it's not the end of the world ... it's the continuation of a horrible running game. Passing on the BPA in the draft for this POS is just beyond stupid.

We haven't passed on Barkley yet. It's very likely he will be there at 4. We might just be getting our ducks in a row.

I already knew they would not draft him. Every season I pick the QBs who will be the best and every year they take the one I like the least. Just wait until we draft Allen the one I don't want the most. bleh.

You wouldn't draft the greatest football player to EVER play the game? Jim Brown wasn't just the greatest running back. He was the greatest player period.

I can see why you wouldn't want Emmitt on the team. A guy that could score 15-20 touchdowns in a season would be a real drag to have on the team. Here in Cleveland, rushing touchdowns are horrific things. Only passing TD's count. *snicker* You really think one of these rookie QB's is going to throw 40 touchdowns anytime soon? Or do you not know that to win you have to SCORE. You get 15 touchdowns from a running back and you are in great shape. You get 2 or 3 and you better have a QB that can throw a lot of touchdowns every week. Or you look like the Browns did last year...

If they stop at Hyde and don't draft a running back in either the first or second rounds, then I BETTER see 1300+ yards rushing and double-digit touchdowns from Hyde. Minimum. All you guys that think the running back position is no longer important... Who do you think is going to score touchdowns for us next year? You think Tyrod Taylor is going to throw 35+ touchdowns? Someone better score. I like the Taylor signing. However, he isn't going to light it up and throw bunches of TD's. Certainly not enough to win many games if we aren't scoring on the ground too.

If we get to #4 with Barkley/Chubb we will either draft Chubb or trade down to say #6 with Jets knowing 1 of the 2 will still be there at 6 with Jets moving up for a QB or trade down farther for more picks with Arizona or Buffalo who both are looking for there QB. #4 could be a gold mine for us after picking our QB at #1 ...

The game has changed.

We are not taking Barkley now. I hope Mayfield is the QB. Guess we'll see.

I think that #4 overall is going to be extremely valuable, and that we will wind up at either 12 or 15 when the dust settles. (with a serious bounty of draft picks this year and in the future)

The question has to be, IS one of these guys a franchise quarterback, or all they all 2nd group guys? You take a QB #1 overall and you miss? Ouch. So if they LOVE one of these guys, by all means, take him! Let him sit on the bench a year and watch. Probably watch us lose a lot. Him sitting there doesn't help in the upcoming season. But if they are SURE of him, then it's worth it. If we don't start winning games he's going to be playing for another coach the following year.

keep living in fantasy world, Barkley not going 1, top 3 and maybe not 4

I don't know that people are taking into account that the game has changed. Its a quarterback game now. The draft is driven as such. If you don't need a QB at 1 you trade back because some needy team is going to want a quarterback.

20 years ago you needed a running back. Now teams are winning super bowls with the likes of CJ Anderson, James White, and Jay Ajayi... Adrian Peterson is probably the greatest RB of the modern era and he won one playoff game...with arguably the greatest QB of time.

Barkley shouldn't even be in the equation for first overall pick.

Agreed.. Browns should and probably will take their top rated QB at #1. If they're not sold on anybody, they'll trade with a team that is.

I would be shocked and stunned (not in a good way) if the Browns took Barkley at #1.

J/C

Signing Hyde takes out of the Barkely talks. No way we give a RB a 15 million dollar deal to be the 3rd string Rb.

I see NYG taking QB but I can really see them taking Chubb. Giants LOVE those pass rushers (look at the ones they have had over the years)

I can legit see Barkely falling to the jets at 6

Agreed. I don't see us taking Barkley either. Chubb, MF or even Nelson would be better for us at this point. Take the best player.

Why? It's not like we're exactly hurting for cap space. At any rate, I've heard the saying several times that you "shouldn't fill holes through the draft". We should have every area addressed as best we can before you get to the draft, and then take the best players you can get. Otherwise you end up stupidly over-drafting to fill your holes, or passing up much better players that fell to you.

I don't think us taking Hyde prevents anything. If we miss out on a RB we were targeting, then at least we have Plan B in place. $5 mil a year isn't breaking the bank, especially when we're still sitting on a ton of cap room anyway.

Its not gonna happen. we are negotiating with duke, we have 15 million now into hyde, you wanna give another 20 million (roughly) to SB at 4? That's a lot of money in a position that is devalued. Wont happen.