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Let me fix that for you. You don't get to his level of greatness in technique unless you are fully dedicated because it takes an insane amount of work ethic to get to that level at his young age. I mean his technique is insanely good and you only get that with tons of hard work.

You would think solid evidence would outweigh silly rumors. Often times that isn't the case.

I agree with that wholeheartedly.

That said - with the kid being as smart as he is (and it sounds like he is right up there in terms of intellect) ... I think the "dedicated" issue is more a "committed" sort of question. If he gets two concussions playing in his first year, and as smart as he is, [1] he has other extremely viable options [2] he is smart enough to realize playing football and shortening your life expectancy and cognitive functionality is simply not worth it. He's not like - (I'll probably pick a really bad example and someone can school me here) - Steve Smith, where football was everything to him and without it, he might have been a car salesman. just an alternate perspective of something that might be a factor, not saying it is.

Unless he says something glaringly stupid we will never know. You have to take a shot on a guy with this much talent.

He had a poor (relatively speaking) throwing session at the combine, while Allen wow'ed everyone.

I'm pretty sure that's what's going on.

Some of the press are reporting the he Did Not Wow some of the NFL folks in his interviews .. I am clueless as no one tells me anything , lol .. Just the Media rumor mill . When push comes t shove on draft day all of the top four will fly off the board !

He's outspoken... I you are willing to take an outspoken QB then go with the one we cannot mention....

Unless you think Kap is not signed because he lacks talent?

I don't see Haslam signing in on Rosen, honestly...

From what I’ve read and who knows if any of it’s true or not, the old school guys don’t think as highly of him as some of the “new age” nfl types love him. I’m sure the truth is more on a man to man basis wether guys like him or not. Dorsey is old school, but we don’t know how he feels about him. I know there’s a lot of people on here who like Rosen and I see why, but does Dorsey like him? From what I hear he puts a lot of stock in personal interviews, so we’ll see.

I didn’t hear about him being bad in any of the interviews, where did you read that? Not arguing just would like to read it also.

Jester posted this earlier:



Another poster posted something similar from another QB coach.

I think Todd McShay is a freaking idiot and looking for clicks. He dropped Rosen to 15th after the Combine but left Darnold [who didn't even throw and said he wouldn't change his motion] at #1.

Heck, I don't like Mayfield, but I think it's moronic that McShay dropped him to 11th after the Combine.

McShay will have 20 plus mock drafts before it's all said and done. He sucks and should be ignored.

I’ve been up and down with Allen all along. What will he be in the NFL? It’s so hard to figure him out. Can he fix his footwork and be more accurate? He’s shown in a short time with NFL type of coaching(Jordan Palmer) that he can. Was he really as inaccurate as his stats say? The kids potential is incrediably high. I’m to the point now where if Dorsey likes him, I’m all in. If not, ok then.

Assuming he gets to sit and work on his footwork more and gets more accurate, his decision making gets better,. What I think is at worst, if Allen can’t learn to throw with more anticipation, and is a “see it, throw it” kind of guy, your gonna end up with Jay Cutler type. If he does learn to throw with anticipation, we’ll then you could have something there.

We have solid evidence that he has suffered at least two serious concussion. It's a medical fact that once you have concussion multiple times that you are far more likely to suffer more of them. These are not rumors but facts.

We do not know if he will be fine in the future or not so it's a scary thing to see in a young player who will be moving to a league that is much rougher because chances are he will get more of them. There is a real risk that he could end up being forced to retire early because of this issue.

There is also a real possibility that he will never have another concussion ever again behind a real offensive line and play lights out.

The Browns have his medical data. We don't so we have to just trust their judgement on this one. Rosen is top QB talent of this draft so I don't envy the tough decision they face.

My take exactly.

The rips on Rosen about his dedication and leadership are just writers looking to write something.

The only legit concern about Rosen is durability particularly related to concussions.

When he is brought in for private workouts; my opinion is he will be very impressive.

J/c directed at the 'reports' from Mike Lombardi and his ilk

It bothers me when sports media engage in speculation about personality stuff when they literally have no clue. They don't meet these kids....not that meeting a kid for few minutes would tell you who they are anyway...but they have no clue about who these kids are but take liberties spouting off about them.

And if the 40+ y/o "football guys" don't like Rosen for whatever reason stupid reasons i've read then they need to check themselves. Being intimidated by a kid that's smart and opinionated is weak. I have no reason to question whether Rosen will fit into/lead a locker room.

What did Lombardi say?

He just seems aloof. I would compare him to Jay Cutler. A guy with a ton of talent who his teammates never warmed up to.

I try not to reply to your BS, but once again, you are making things up.

Please provide quotes from his teammates and coaches that validate your claim.

The 40+ guys not liking him and the younger guys liking him?

I can kinda believe that. Not saying it is true, but it makes sense philosophically.

Unfortunately, I think Dorsey might fit into that group. I have a feeling we are going to blow it once again.

1. All the mock drafts are literally pointless.

2. We still have nearly two months to go until the drafts, so we are not close at all. Teams haven't had any private workouts and pro days just started.

3. Last year Todd McShay and Mel Kiper had us taking Mitch Trubisky first overall the day of the draft.

Haslam is a conservative NRA type of owner, he would never have someone like Rosen has a QB.. unfortunately I may add.

Best to trade for Nick Foles and get it done.

I am glad you did. I can't find any, though I didn't do a long search. My comment is based on reports saw in the past.

I actually saw a report on the Bruin report supporting your position, so, comment withdrawn.

See, I can change my position or opinion if I find my first position was wrong.

If Haslam let's his political views get in the way of running his business he may just as well sell the team now.

I'd be fine with that.

I’d sacrifice our first two picks this year for that ...

Um, we traded for tyrod Taylor

Not for the long term, however.

The Browns will still take a quarterback. If they deem one worthy of the first overall selection, I don't think that's off the table.

lamp was replying to eotab talking about AJ.

Correct.

Lol, ummm... Seriously though, you were not up-to-date.

Some Action from Rosen's Pro Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMALDqMHV4k

God I hope your wrong..

I would take Darnold in a heartbeat.