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Which is why he's a PROJECTION of major proportions.

One we don't need to be taking risks on with Two Top 4 Picks.

Let someone else figure out whether or not he can be an NFL QB.

It actually doesn't say anything about accuracy.

I don't really agree. What you said of Rosen is also true of Mayfield. He hits his receivers in stride as well. I don't see too many underthrown passes... or any more than say Rosen. I think with Mayfield what I see is a super smart quarterback who places the ball where only his guy can get it.

Fair enough. I guess that's why we've hired the folks we've hired. And I'm sure our guys our putting in the time to decide what they can safely project, and what each prospect can do.



I've said before (and this is just off watching the film and the little other information that I have), my Number 1 guy is Rosen. After that my number 2 is Mayfield. My number 3 is Darnold.

Those three are far ahead of the rest for me.

But I'll try to feel comfortable with whoever our staff selects. Although Allen/Jackson would make me nervous (and would be hard for me to get very excited for)



I am a fan of Mayfield though. It's hard not to be. In what he's been able to show us, within the confines of his offense at Oklahoma, he's a master of it. And he's a great football player.

I'm still working on coming around on Darnold of course. And Rosen is pretty easy to see IMO. The guy looks like a Pro QB.


Unfortunately, the declaration of Tyrod Taylor as our starter for the season makes me think neither Mayfield or Rosen will be our choice. So I think it'll be Darnold or Allen. And man, i hope to heck that they're right

What does throwing to wide open spaces have to do with accuracy? C'mon man.

Ignore him.

I think Rosen dropping at this time is nothing more than teams not showing their true hands. He will rise the closer it gets to the draft.

I have felt since the beginning the Browns choice is simple. Rosen or Darnold.

If Rosen clears all medical protocol he will be the pick. If he is found to have multiple or severe past concussions the Browns will select Darnold.

Logical post.

whoever the browns are picking at 1 is a well held secret at least at this point and time. I have no clue what they are doing.

Yes it is.

The MEDIA are the ones who act on the fluffy guy in MAYFIELD. And the big arm guy in Allen. Hence the questions we seem to get are about those 2.

Not much at all regarding the 2 REALLY good QB'S in Darnold and Rosen.

And Dorseys comments about Taylor's future here is exactly what he should have said.

Keep everyone guessing. Exactly as it should be.

Typical. This is the response I get when you guys realize you can't defend your claims.

Thanks.

Not sure what media you're watching... all the media I see and read say the Browns are taking Darnold @ 1. Minus Kiper, who says Allen.

Just because you ignore the answers doesn't mean we don't have them.

I believe Dorsey and company like Mayfield a lot more than people on this board think.

I think it is between Mayfield and Darnold. Unless they are disguising themselves well, not feeling the love for Rosen from this FO.

I'm not sure that's the point. We've seen many QB's get drafted who were the wrong QB's. We've seen us trade down and avoid drafting QB's that turned out to be the wrong decision. And actually I don't believe anyone really has a clue which QB they plan to draft at #1.

I agree we have no clue - just trying to read the tea leaves.

I would need answers before I could ignore them.

WHAT?!

Did I stutter?

Which could be evidence that Rosen is their guy. Isn't disguising their intentions part of the draft game?

Well, if you have the 1st pick, what are you trying to accomplish by disguising stuff, other than perhaps trading down - which I hope they are not entertaining that thought.

Habit? Keeping all options open?

No... but...

I agree. But maybe they're trying to force other teams to trade up? Therefore we would get whomever we wanted at 4 as well as 1?

I have to think we are elated the Jets traded up because that solves the mystery who the Colts were going to take...

Did they say which QB they are drafting at #1 and everyone missed it?

Lamar at #1 - you missed it.

If that were actually true it would sound more like they missed it than me. lmao

Wrong!!!


We are getting Lamart

J/c

There is no way to know if Rosen is actually "falling" or "rising". These are all draft media inventions/conventions.

I agree that Rosen is the most accurate passer in this draft class.

When people mention Mayfield, it seems to me that they are talking about "statistical accuracy". To be clear: i am not saying that Mayfield isn't accurate. Imho the difference between the Rosen in Mayfield, in terms of accuracy, is you get to see Rosen accurately make "nfl" throws much more often then Mayfield. Its a scheme difference. Maybe Mayfield is/can be as accurate as Rosen...but we didn't get to see him do it at OU.

That’s as good of an explanation as there is. And there will be a group of posters who still won’t see it.

And you DON'T take a MAYBE in the Top 4 of ANY draft.

Using statistics to determine accuracy is a common fallacy. To say a quarterback is inaccurate because he only throws to open receivers is also a fallacy.

When I say Mayfield is more accurate overall I'm talking about all passes, short, intermediate, deep... Rosen may be slightly more accurate with the intermediate passes, but I think Mayfield is more accurate on the deep passes and it's not as close.

Thus overall, Mayfield is the more accurate passer.

And honestly, I'm sure there are varying opinions on this from the teams across the NFL. And j/c I don't think it's necessary to call out those who think Mayfield is more accurate. Its a difference of opinion. In reality they are both very accurate passers.

I came across this ridiculous Josh Rosen throw from his freshman year:

https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/766701102179975168

I'm worried about his junior year. It's all about the concussions. Two in less than one month, the second one kept him out of his bowl game a month after that, where the Bruins got mauled by Kansas State.

Trying to bet on how long this guys career will be with the NFL's concussion protocol is like trying to fill an inside straight. Can the Browns afford to take that kind of a gamble with this particular pick?

I think the training staff was doing Rosen a favor in holding him out of that bowl game. There was no reason for him to be playing in that game.

I believe we should not take a chance with Rosen's injury history. He's already had problems with concussions and now playing against guys that are bigger, stronger and faster is just asking for trouble. He may be the most NFL ready QB in this draft but the injury history has me very leery especially with the 3 physical defenses we play 6 times a year.

Of course there are varying opinions. And i'm pretty sure I clearly stated that I was not saying that Mayfield is inaccurate.

Mayfield is a very accurate passer within OU's scheme.
Rosen is a very accurate passer in a pro-style scheme.

Many people accept/realize that spread offenses/passing games produces easier throws.

Those people,myself included, place more weight on accuracy (QB productivity in general) from QB's that play in pro-style system then a spread system.

Thus for those people Rosen is more accurate.

TLDR: All things being equal tie goes to pro-style offenses when it comes to evaluation.