DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Overall #4 pick = AMAZING!

I believe from watching Sutton that there is a chance he could struggle with his hands, watch him in slow motion, he holds his hands to far apart, leaving a lot of space between them. That could lead to drops. He doesn’t do it all the time but frequently enough where he needs to improve it. Not saying he can’t it’s just a little concern I have.

I'm going on record now and saying we will pick Ward at 4. Darnold and then Ward. Book it.

I don't know man he seldom drops balls. I don't think he will suddenly start dropping them at the NFL level. I think he makes that perfect #2 WR next to Gordon.

It's certainly possible but I think they would trade back from 4 and then take Ward.

If they take a QB at 1 it could be anyone at this point but saying that I don't think they will draft Darnold because he turns the ball over too much and Dorsey hates that in a QB.

I'm not totally sold on Fitz at #4. Trade down a few and take Ward...

We better not take Ward at #4 if Barkley or Chubb is on the board. Dorsey would be on the first train smokin'.

Need a partner to trade back. I say they take the guy they want when they have the shot.

We are not drafting fitz. PERIOD. We just signed a FA FS from green bay who is our long term answer at FS.

Only bad thing is, Randall will still be making a transition to safety even though he played there in college, which was like 4 years ago. Dorsey keeps talking about competition, and right now we have one man for FS whom has played CB that past 4 years. We need another capable body at FS...While I think Fitz is perhaps doubtful at #4 overall, I don't think its impossible. Maybe more likely to get some someone in the high middle of the draft.

sorry eotab i was actually responding to another post sorry about that.

Many a mock has the Giants taking Barkley if we pass him up, I do NOT agree (doesn't make me right BTW). The giants have a history of drafting QB's high, and while they may not have an immediate need for a QB with Eli in the fold they would have to be blind not to see that they will in the not so distant future.


IMO draft strategy is about this draft but also those to follow. Picking #2 in any draft is rarefied air, you leverage that draft position against the future of the team by #1 taking your future franchise QB or by trading back so you have ammo to get him somewhere down the road.

Mortgaging the future of the football team for a RB would IMO be beyond stupid and not a likely move by the Giants.


So we move onto Indy, this is the team that could take SB more so then the Giants. They have their franchise QB but health issues do surround him. I think the Giants and Indy have roster issues and in the case of the Giants they have a franchise QB somewhere in the not so distant future.


I look for the Giants to take the #2 QB in this draft class, and I look for Indy to trade out at #3, but again if anyone takes SB it will be at this spot. But If I am Indy I trade back with Denver, the Jets possibly Buffalo. Which will again be a QB pick. SB will be there at 4 or if I am picking its Chubbs.


I follow conventional wisdom take the elite pass rusher they have longer careers and they are impact-full. Assuming will have to get a LT at some point in the not so distant future I may leverage this pick against next years draft? I really like Chubbs though.


My guess is though QB's go #1, #2, #3, and quite possibly #4. Once the Browns go QB teams will panic they will want the pick of the litter so to speak of what is left and the run on QB will be on, with teams likely over spending to get into these valuable spots.


Just curious with this question and this goes out to the pro take SB crowd who do you see trading up to take him? Not saying someone won't do it, who do you see that being?

We might... we might trade back from 4 to say 12, then trade up from 12 to maybe 7 or 8. We'll take the player we want that we think won't be there at 12. I think this is entirely plausible unless we grade someone off the charts who is there at 4 but won't be at 7 or 8.

Keep in mind the Gentelman is the GM with the Giants now .. When in Carolina he drafted both Stewart and McCaferty in the first round .

Yes, also feasible.

I think a team like the Bills are more desperate and could give up more, but like you said that could make the Jets more desperate and trade up, of course they might be content going with McCown and testing out Bridgewater for a year. Assuming the Browns and Giants draft a QB, the Jets, Bills, or Broncos are going to miss out on one of the top 4.

the 4th pick is HUGE for a team to get ahead of the Broncos, but we may not see a deal for that pick until draft day.

We cpould.


I don't even like to try to figure out trade possibilities.

It's hard enough to try to figure out what we might do if we stand pat.

If we trade, my guess is it is with the Bills for #12 and #22. I am not even going to get in to if we need any more than that.

At those two positions, no position is out of bounds. We will have receivers, corners, running backs and offensive linemen who all make sense drafting in that position that don't make as much sense drafting at #4.

It mostly depends on who is there at #4, though in most cases, 2 players are better for the team than 1 player.

Is Fits so far superior that drafting say Jaier Alexander and Connor Williams wouldn't be a better move?

And you guys can insert any names you want. Go to any top prospects board, look for the 2-3 players around the #4 pick and the 2-3 players around the 12 and 22 picks.

Jets just moved to three. As I said, this QBs will be going 1,2,3. If we trade down it could be 1,2,3,4.



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As do I and this truly is simple identify then take the best QB in the class, don't settle or take a chance nail down your guy. I know we agree because for us this truly is simple.

Yeah, I think the value of the 4th pick just went way up. Most likely we see QBs go 1, 2, 3, which leaves everyone either vying for the last QB at #4, or for the best players in the draft.

Come to think of it Buffalo just made a trade to move up to #12 and get more assets for moving up. They were already working on trying to move up, and they just got put on notice by the Jets. #4 is going to be worth a lot.

#4 is now the most valuable pick in the draft.

1,2,3 are locks and no team is trading out (without an absolute king's ransom).

All offers beforehand will more than likely be based on "if our guy is there". If I'm GM, I get their offer now and let them know that the price goes up by one 2nd round pick on draft day. Multiple teams will approach us with this if/then scenario. Let them know they can pay now or pay more on draft day.

I'm NOT saying to trade the pick, merely saying it is always your responsibility to get a pulse of the over-inflated value of your high draft pick.

I like where this is going, we'll have our pick of ALL the top talent in the draft that is not a QB... and we'll already have our QB. ~or~ some team will ante up a boat load of picks and/or other assets to put themselves in our seat.

Just to play devils advocate, but the #4 pick could actually be seen as less valuable now. If QBs go 1,2,3 like is projected, and if teens only have three QBs ranked that high, unless a team has another player ranked very high, who would pay a ransom to move up for the fourth ranked QB in the draft?

Again I’m just playing devils advocate.

I hear ya dean. I would agree if there wasn't a Saquan Barkley in this draft. Also, I only say "most valuable" because I get the feeling that 1,2,3 are all but untouchable now. Saquan is the BPA the second the draft starts.

Also, there are probably a few teams that have a QB targeted that is NOT one of the three that go first. At that point they feel a a serious sense of urgency because three QBs are gone in three picks. Being the 4th QB to go doesn't make you the "fourth ranked". I think there will be a handful of teams that sees their top ranked QB on the board at 4.

I think we're both right... the only thing that changes are the names of the teams on the lists depending on 1,2 and 3.

That was my initial impression as well. These picks are very costly in terms of draft capital and the Jets surely moved up to get their QB. Now if you want to get in front of NYJ, you have to deal with Cleveland or NYG, so if anything, Cleveland's #1 pick increased in value. That said, I don't think it really changes much for the Browns at #1 as the strategy was, and remains: pick the best QB.

Even the #4 pick is complicated. Like FATE pointed out, you just don't know who will be there at #4, how the QB needy teams will have the players there ranked and what they will be willing to give up. Maybe 'their guy' is there and a bidding war breaks out between Buffalo and whoever. But if we just have to settle for the best QB and best non-QB in draft, that's ok too.

And the most beautiful part of all that is it makes our job easy. Can't get cute with the #1 now thinking our QB might be there at 4... Pick our QB and know that we have the pick of all the top talent at 4. It's almost like having the top two picks in the draft. If the "needy teams" show us the sun, moon and stars - pick up even more talent and assets - our decision. About the time the Giants announce, our "war room" will truly live up to the moniker, and this year our troops are battle-tested.

the 4 spot has to be between Barkley and Chubb.

I have a preference for Barkley, as our offense has been lacking for YEARS now, but having a DE rotation of Garrett, Ogbah, and Chubb should mean constant pressure on the QB. In a pass heavy league, that's important.

I like Barkley, a lot, but what will be the difference in production between Barkley at 4, or say Penny or some other RB in a later round? Is it worth taking him that early? That’s a question that needs to be answered.

I mentioned in another post that the jets moving up has forced our hand at #1, we basically have to take the QB at one now. We had some options before the jets moved up. Unless of course Dorsey doesn’t like any of the QBs. Time will tell

Less than some on here would try to sell you. Perfectly ready to be satisfied with one of the supposed next teir guys and if Barkley lights it up so be it.
I'm not concerned of what he MIGHT do for another team.

Plus, I’d add, what would be the difference in production between a Bradley Chubb vs a later round edge guy. I’d say the difference between the RBs would be less then the difference in the edge guys would be. What scenario best makes the Browns a better team? All of that will have to be taken into account before deciding Barkley is the pick.

I say there's a point where you just see SOMETHING in a guy that says, "The light is on in this guy's head". He's got something different than the rest of the pack. That may come in an interview rather than film who knows. I've always said to do your homework, make your pick and hope you've hired the coaching to bring your pick up to potential.

And I DON'T hate Barkley or the idea of getting him at four. I love the kids talent and especially personality! I just question whether that position needs filled that early when we still need a ton.

I am probably one of the few who don't even think Barkley is on our radar. Yes, sure I think we took a look at him, but I think we'll pass on RB that early and take one later.

I also see a lot of Ward being mentioned with the Browns now... I think it's entirely possible that we trade back from 4, whether to a team who wants the last QB or someone who thinks the price is now right to trade up for Barkley or Chubb or someone. Maybe someone like the Bucs or Bills... If Mayfield is at 4, the pick is going to be HOT HOT HOT. Bills, Dolphins, Broncos could all trade up for him.

If we go back to 12, then I can see us jumping up a few spots to get the player we desire, which might be ward.

It'll certainly be fun to see how it plays out and I expect the unexpected.