DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Moving Down from #4

If the Browns end up with pick #22 they should trade out of it just because. But seriously, I agree with your premise, we shouldn't drop past #5 and I only deal with Denver if they assure me they're going QB at #4.

We gave up taking Deshaun Watson for the #4 pick this year, lets not outsmart (sashi) ourselves, lets take our QB at 1 (whomever that may be) and the top quality player of our choice, Chubb, Barkley or Minkah, have a beer and high five everyone for a first round well done.

I'm not thrilled with the idea of trading 4 for 12 & 22. The draft value chart says it's a slight overpay from Buffalo's perspective; recent experience suggests the Browns could get more (see Colts/Jets trade for example.) Or, just draft an impact player.

Also as a general rule, I prefer a future first instead of a late first in the current draft. This goes against the general guideline that a pick in the next draft is worth either the last pick in that round, or even a pick in the next round, but nothing says that the Browns must follow this.

Remember, this #4 pick we are talking is the result of a (once) future first. Watt and Watson got injured, along with other starters for the Texans, and their season imploded. Things happen. The final first rounder conveyed in the RG3 trade ended up being #2 overall. The Rams wasted it on Greg Robinson but it was the second pick nonetheless.

i hope denver gets nervous at 5 .. offers us a 3rd round pick to move up to 4, we slide back one slot and still get Chubb/Barkley

Case Keenum contract is a pretty strong two-year deal

The Denver Broncos have strongly committed to Case Keenum for the next two years with a cap hit of $15M in 2018 and $21M in 2019.

The contract details for Case Keenum have been released and the Denver Broncos made a strong commitment to Keenum in their two-year, $36 million offer.

Tweet: Case Keenum's Broncos deal is for two years, $36M, of which $25M is fully guaranteed at signing. He gets a $6M signing bonus, a fully guaranteed $8M 2018 salary and a $4M 2018 roster bonus. His $18M 2019 salary is guaranteed against injury, and $7M of it is guaranteed at signing.

The $6 million signing bonus means the Broncos will take a $15 million cap hit in 2018 and a bigger $21 million cap hit in 2019, but with the dead cap sitting at $10 million in 2019 it is unlikely the team will even consider moving on from Keenum before the end of his two-year deal.

The likelihood of the Broncos taking a quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft is still high, but with the potential draft pick having two years to sit it could open some doors for a project quarterback like Josh Allen who would need some time to develop.

Tweet: That $7 million full guarantee in 2019 means this is ironclad 2-year deal for Case Keenum. Can't imagine Broncos making solid, 2-year investment in Keenum and then drafting a QB with No. 5 overall pick. That No. 5 pick would have to sit 2 years. But ... you never know. #9sports

It will be interesting to see how the team proceeds with their draft plans.

Keenum is now the highest paid player on the team from a cap space standpoint, eating up 9.72% of total cap space. The move leaves the Broncos with $25.1 million in total cap space once you account for draft picks and restricted free agents. That number includes all of their free agent signings now, except for cornerback Tramaine Brock.

That leaves the Broncos with a big chunk of change for potential moves in free agency or even trades. John Elway may not be done quite just yet.

We should keep trading down until we own all the 7th round picks for the next ten years.

I would do it for 12+22+next year's 1st. Hard to pass up that kind of package for a (non-QB) positional player.

Also about Buffalo: while they were a playoff team this year at 9-7, they also had a -57 point differential in the regular season. They've already downgraded their starting QB and LT. That future first would be pretty enticing, even if they don't have the freakish injury luck that the Texans did this past season.

I'm talking about adding an additional two first round picks to move down! Nothing about 7th rounders.

I get that trading down gets a bad rap here. But a lot of this has to do with past GMs simply doing a lousy job with the picks they do make. Leaving franchise QBs on the board when you need one is another mistake, but we are talking about the #4 here, not the #1. I'm kind of working on the assumption that we go QB at #1.

The thing is that teams, in recent years, have been rather aggressive in making large deals to move up to get their QBs. The Colts got three second round picks to move down from 3 to 6! How do you pass up that kind of deal when your team isn't in the market for a QB?

#12, #22, and Buffalo's 1st round pick next year could be 3 impact players.

That's a ridiculous haul and I'd take it every time for #4. That said, it's not an offer likely to be made, so you probably don't have to worry about it.

#12, #22, and Buffalo's 1st round pick next year could be 3 impact players.

That's a ridiculous haul and I'd take it every time for #4. That said, it's not an offer likely to be made, so you probably don't have to worry about it.

j/c

I do not see the sense in following the same pattern that we've used in the past that has done nothing but helped us to lose on Sundays.

Exactly. I guess trading down is fun for some as far as discusion on this board but I would think we would learn from past Browns history.

You can't compare a team like the Patriots to the Browns. That's apples to oranges. Let me explain.....

BB and the Patriots have had the same HC and system for many years. As such you can bring players into a pipeline. Into a process that's been working for what seems like forever. You're not pressed to start a rookie right away. He will have time to work and grow into the system that's long established. You can attract the FA's you choose at a bargain price.

It's a situation that has nothing in common with us. We haven't established squat. Thus far we don't have a successful system. Once we ever get to that point, it will become much easier to accomplish a continued success in the manner you are suggesting.

There's a reason why the worst teams draft early and better teams draft late. Because you first must build success before you can continue success.

Time for quality over quantity!

I've seen some people say that NYJ traded up to 3 and will select Barkley ... that's laughable IMO. They didn't trade all of those assets for anything but a QB