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The answer will not be known until the roster is completed.
Let's see who are the receivers and RB'S.
My guess is run the ball. Use Taylor's strengths to extend plays and throw on the move.
Targets underneath to Landry, Coleman, and Duke.
Gordon used to stretch the field.
If we land Barkley use him to the fullest.
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I do agree with you that we should have the horses to win a few, but if Hue is still here and running the show it will be a 1-31 offense IMO I'm not high on Hue either, but the key here is Haley and that what's going to make the difference. Based on what we've seen from the Steelers the lasts several seasons, I don't think we're going to see play calling that outsmarts ourselves. One thing that always struck me about the Steelers is when something worked, they ran that horse until you stopped it. Case in point last year w/ Antonio Brown. He clearly was in the zone.. why wouldn't you keep going to him until the defense stops you? Last year it felt at times like Hue was trying to play chess when the game was checkers.
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I agree. But I will defend Hue a bit even though he caused the problem.
He had to half ass both being a head coach and offensive coordinator. He stretched himself too thin.
We saw it the last two years. He would get in to certain habits and there was nobody to pull him to the side and say "What are we doing here? Let's run the ball more"
It's easy to fall in to traps. Any coordinator can do that. The head coach can see that and let the coordinator know we need to make a change. Last year, Hue the head coach was in no position to tell his O coordinator the plan wasn't working.
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I agree. But I will defend Hue a bit even though he caused the problem.
He had to half ass both being a head coach and offensive coordinator. He stretched himself too thin.
We saw it the last two years. He would get in to certain habits and there was nobody to pull him to the side and say "What are we doing here? Let's run the ball more"
It's easy to fall in to traps. Any coordinator can do that. The head coach can see that and let the coordinator know we need to make a change. Last year, Hue the head coach was in no position to tell his O coordinator the plan wasn't working. I agree with what you are saying. At the beginning of last season I wasn't in the camp of believing Hue needed an OC, but by mid-season I was ready to defect because it became clearer to me at least that he seemed in over his head, or stretched thin as you put it.
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Yep, it's all about coaching. The talent on the teams has nothing to do w/anything.
Big Ben and Kizer. That's a wash.
Bell and Crow. Another wash.
Antonio Brown and K. Britt. Yet another wash.
The Steelers OL and the Brown's OL. And one more wash.
None of those things made a bit of difference. It was all about play-calling and scheme.
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL - tie game 20 seconds left - 1 time out remaking - u have the ball at the opponents 27 yard line - your FG kicker just joined the team on Friday and has all ready missed two FG’s from 41 and 42 yards from the same hash .... Now its time for U TO MAKE THE CALL A. Do u run the ball and try to pick up at least a few yards, maybe even 5 or 6 B. D u run the ball to get to the other hash C. Do u throw a short pass ANYWHERE on the field u want as u still have a TO left D. Do u kneel on the ball setting up a 46 yarder from the same hash and about the same distance we’ve all ready missed from twice ..... E. A,B or C Hmmmmmmmmm ... I’ll give u my answer later .. i’ll give ya’all a shot at it first ...  ...
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL I love this game!!! Here's one: There is just over 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. It's 4 and 2 on your own 29 yd. line and you have a 6 point lead. "U MAKE THE CALL:" Do you: A. Punt the ball and make the opponent drive 70 yards in perhaps 60 to 70 seconds? B. Fake the punt? C. Line up as if you are going to go for it and try to draw the team off-sides? Or... D. Actually go for it and run the ball up the middle? "U MAKE THE CALL!!!" If anyone is interested, I will let you know what call Bill Belichick made.
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Here is another one in this fun-filled game. "U MAKE THE CALL:"
It's 4th and 1 in a playoff game against Jacksonville. The Jags have the top-ranked pass defense in the NFL, and their run defense isn't ranked nearly as high. You have L. Bell as your RB and a huge qb in Big Ben. "U MAKE THE CALL:"
Do you:
A. Run L. Bell up the middle?
B. Allow Big Ben to sneak it?
C. Run Bell wide against the fast defense of Jacksonville?
D. Throw a play-action pass to a rookie WR?
U CAN MAKE THE CALL TWICE because that is the situation one genius OC faced in last year's playoffs.
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL - tie game 20 seconds left - 1 time out remaking - u have the ball at the opponents 27 yard line - your FG kicker just joined the team on Friday and has all ready missed two FG’s from 41 and 42 yards from the same hash .... Now its time for U TO MAKE THE CALL A. Do u run the ball and try to pick up at least a few yards, maybe even 5 or 6 B. D u run the ball to get to the other hash C. Do u throw a short pass ANYWHERE on the field u want as u still have a TO left D. Do u kneel on the ball setting up a 46 yarder from the same hash and about the same distance we’ve all ready missed from twice ..... E. A,B or C Hmmmmmmmmm ... I’ll give u my answer later .. i’ll give ya’all a shot at it first ... ... What I do is come out in a formation where the Lt and RT are together lined up as WR on the left side, have my QB behind the center who is flanked by the LG and RG, the slowest WR in teh RB spot, the slowest RB in the fastest WR spot, sprinkle the other players around. Then I do some weird shifting to get in to a 'normal' formation (instead of having a play ready to run out of my funky formation when the defense didn't bother to move or have anyone covered). Then after the offense gets set I..... .... crap! I had to burn a timeout because the play clock was at 1 
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL - tie game 20 seconds left - 1 time out remaking - u have the ball at the opponents 27 yard line - your FG kicker just joined the team on Friday and has all ready missed two FG’s from 41 and 42 yards from the same hash .... Now its time for U TO MAKE THE CALL A. Do u run the ball and try to pick up at least a few yards, maybe even 5 or 6 B. D u run the ball to get to the other hash C. Do u throw a short pass ANYWHERE on the field u want as u still have a TO left D. Do u kneel on the ball setting up a 46 yarder from the same hash and about the same distance we’ve all ready missed from twice ..... E. A,B or C Hmmmmmmmmm ... I’ll give u my answer later .. i’ll give ya’all a shot at it first ... ... I'm AGGRESSIVE. C TWICE if Incomplete. HIGH % Passes. But NOT with Kizer. lol.
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL I love this game!!! Here's one: There is just over 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. It's 4 and 2 on your own 29 yd. line and you have a 6 point lead. "U MAKE THE CALL:" Do you: A. Punt the ball and make the opponent drive 70 yards in perhaps 60 to 70 seconds? B. Fake the punt? C. Line up as if you are going to go for it and try to draw the team off-sides? Or... D. Actually go for it and run the ball up the middle? "U MAKE THE CALL!!!" If anyone is interested, I will let you know what call Bill Belichick made. C Then A
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I think I remember Belichick doing D, and was shocked....pretty sure he made it too
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Wrong - BB went for it against Indy because he did not want to turn the ball back over to Manning and did not get the first down. Throw to Kevin Falk, I believe. Indy scored a TD to win the game, thereafter.
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Lets play that oldie but goodie game ... U MAKE THE CALL I love this game!!! Here's one: There is just over 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. It's 4 and 2 on your own 29 yd. line and you have a 6 point lead. "U MAKE THE CALL:" Do you: . A. Punt the ball and make the opponent drive 70 yards in perhaps 60 to 70 seconds? B. Fake the punt? C. Line up as if you are going to go for it and try to draw the team off-sides? Or... D. Actually go for it and run the ball up the middle? "U MAKE THE CALL!!!" If anyone is interested, I will let you know what call Bill Belichick made. I fake punk...except I have the punter sprint towards the opponents end zone and the gunners gunning guys out of the play and the others blocking guys to kill as much time as possible, and the punter taking a safey, using as much time as possible. Then punt from the 20 with no rush and 10 gunners rather than 2 gunners punting from the 15 where we would have punted had it been a punt from the 29. Four point lead. Bank on the D keeping them out of the endzone.
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It should be C, then A. Try to draw them off, then punt if they don't; it's because you have the 6 point lead.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Go for it. Naked boot leg with Brady would have caught them all by surprise - it works so often - even Joe Willy did it.
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... That’s ALMOST as DUMB as what our 1 - 31 HC did ... I’m glad to see Vers likes this game ... there’s more to come ... then maybe we’ll take a poll as to what the DUMBEST THING HE’S DONE IS ... cause as dumb as this was ... he’s done about as bad on at least one and maybe two other occasions ... The SAD part ... NONE of these MORONIC MOVES INVOLVED PERSONAL ... NOT ONE IOTA ... Thanks god hes not OC anymore ... hopefully he’s a way better HC then he was HC/OC ...
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One thing for sure, every coach who has made dumb calls sucks and doesn't deserve to coach again. I mean, what kind of loser would go for it on his own 28 yard line w/2 min. left?
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2016 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
2017 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
Occasional bad calls by a coach will happen.
The above data shows a consistent disregard for the talent, or lack thereof, on the roster at QB and receiver, relative to the plays called.
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2016 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
2017 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
Occasional bad calls by a coach will happen.
The above data shows a consistent disregard for the talent, or lack thereof, on the roster at QB and receiver, relative to the plays called. Here is a link to NFL team's rushing percentage: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-play-pctOne might notice that not one team ran the ball 50% of the time. One might notice that there were teams who had a worse ratio than even the ignorant Hue Jackson of running the ball. One might also factor in the following: --Teams that are trailing more in games do in fact pass more than teams that are winning. Let me know if you need a link to prove that fact. --When teams don't respect your passing game, they stack the box to stop the run. They dare you to pass. We know for a fact that occurred this past season and we even had a player talk about it. --Putting a rookie qb who can't go through progressions quickly in 3rd and long situations is a terrible idea and I believe that is part of why we sometimes threw on earlier downs. --Teams that get holding penalties and illegal procedure penalties and are in less favorable down and distance situations, almost have to pass the ball more than teams that do not. I have tried to logically talk about this before, but the prevailing feeling is that Hue is just dumb and doesn't like to run the ball. In response, I posted how his Bengals' offense was 7th in rushing attempts the year before he came to Cleveland and how they ran it far more than Haley's Steelers did. I have also had people try to take my above list and try to discredit each item one-by-one, while completely ignoring that none of them were designed to stand alone, but were to be taken as a whole. I get that there are people on this board who hate Hue and don't want to listen to logic, but I am not one of those people. I criticized Hue early and often when he got here, but I know a false and biased argument when I see it. Thus, while I won't come on here and praise Hue very often, I do feel the need to defend him.
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Good post. For the most part there is too little real football thought put into many opinions.
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My problem with Hue has less to do with how he coached and more to do with the team not showing enough improvement for my liking. I never wanted a Hue from the start, and yes he didn’t have what he needed to be really successful, but couldn’t most coaches win with an all star roster? If the arguement is that he didn’t have the talent to win then how did Bowles for the Jets win games last year? That roster is every bit as bad as ours. I wanted a coach who could win some games and have the team show improvement as the season went on, for me Hue hasn’t done that as of yet. Not calling for him to be fired but I don’t like him.
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at least Brock Osweiler won't be a part of the offensive discussion this year.
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2016 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
2017 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
Occasional bad calls by a coach will happen.
The above data shows a consistent disregard for the talent, or lack thereof, on the roster at QB and receiver, relative to the plays called. Here is a link to NFL team's rushing percentage: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-play-pctOne might notice that not one team ran the ball 50% of the time. One might notice that there were teams who had a worse ratio than even the ignorant Hue Jackson of running the ball. One might also factor in the following: --Teams that are trailing more in games do in fact pass more than teams that are winning. Let me know if you need a link to prove that fact. --When teams don't respect your passing game, they stack the box to stop the run. They dare you to pass. We know for a fact that occurred this past season and we even had a player talk about it. --Putting a rookie qb who can't go through progressions quickly in 3rd and long situations is a terrible idea and I believe that is part of why we sometimes threw on earlier downs. --Teams that get holding penalties and illegal procedure penalties and are in less favorable down and distance situations, almost have to pass the ball more than teams that do not. I have tried to logically talk about this before, but the prevailing feeling is that Hue is just dumb and doesn't like to run the ball. In response, I posted how his Bengals' offense was 7th in rushing attempts the year before he came to Cleveland and how they ran it far more than Haley's Steelers did. I have also had people try to take my above list and try to discredit each item one-by-one, while completely ignoring that none of them were designed to stand alone, but were to be taken as a whole. I get that there are people on this board who hate Hue and don't want to listen to logic, but I am not one of those people. I criticized Hue early and often when he got here, but I know a false and biased argument when I see it. Thus, while I won't come on here and praise Hue very often, I do feel the need to defend him. Good post. Good link as well.
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Thank you. And since you were so cool about it, here is a link to an article about teams passing more when trailing in games. I had a better one this morning that had a really cool graph, but I can't find it now. Maybe tomorrow? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mea...rd-as-it-seems/
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2016 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
2017 -pass plays are called at a 2:1 ratio.
Occasional bad calls by a coach will happen.
The above data shows a consistent disregard for the talent, or lack thereof, on the roster at QB and receiver, relative to the plays called. 1 win in 2016 0 wins in 2017 Maybe that ratio should have been adjusted it didn't work for 2 years. The above data shows a consistent disregard in coaching.
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Been saying that for years Vers...until we get a viable QB all teams would play against our run and logically say...ok Browns flavor of the month, BEAT US!
What Hue was doing was the correct thing. You call the play that gives you the best odds of success. All too often these were pass plays. And the design of the plays were pretty good it would put WRs in space and open for success. The fact we simply did not have the personnel on a NFL level at QB and WR is what Hue wanted our FO to understand as he tried to get a QB mid season.
As he wanted a QB in 2016 and 2017 and was not given one.
Even to the fact that we released the only competent vet McCown last year to give us absolutely no choice of success with a QB room of Kizer, Kessler and Hogan.
This was a cry from HUE for personnel help. guess what all.
He was successful and why Sashi was fired and Dorsey hired the very next day.
Why we have TT already as the starting QB and 99% sure we are taking the absolute best QB in this QB rich draft!
Why we have Landry on the team. Combine him with Gordon, Njoku, Duke and Coleman our previous best and its nothing like before!
We also have Hyde an upgrade on Crowell.
And we are not done yet. 5 impact picks.
An excellent Interior OL we will see how Coleman and Hubbard do on the Edge!
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Are we gonna get what we had last year, or Pittsburg's offense or elements of What they were doing with Buffalo to help TT be successful?
I know after the Superbowl, our copycat league will be doing more with RPO's (which is really nothing new) but what can we expect to see? Hard to say really. I don't think/hope there isn't much carry over schematically from the Bills because there offense was stale. But the Steeler's arsenal on offense is much better then the current Browns. But i'm looking forward see the pieces Dorsey is putting together with Haley's guidance. The addition of Juice Landry is going to help a lot. I think Haley will be good for Tyrod and the passing game as whole. I like advanced stats. Football Outsiders rated the Browns 29th. The running game was 10th the passing game was dead dog last. I think the passing game is going to make a considerable jump from that mark. Its all about how Haley and Tyrod mesh and the offense and passing game Haley builds around him. Although I still think the Browns need more at WR. I have high hopes for Coleman, i'm an optimist like that, and given his talent and Haley's work with young WR I wouldn't be surprised if Coleman has a career year. I think this Browns team will provide Tyrod with the best unit he's played with thus far in his career. Here's PFF on Tyrod in their Season Grade Position Ranks breakdown:  Haley faces a similar task with Tyrod as the one he faced with Ben. Getting Taylor to get rid of the ball quicker and get rid of it instead of taking sacks. I think the offense has to take advantage of Tyrod in the run game to hold the backside contain via bootlegs or read-option. If they added RPO's that would be awesome but i don't recall them being part of Haley's offense in the past.
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To the RPO's, I don't think Ben would be the guy to run those. Can't comment on any of his other stints.
I know Haley has said he molds his O around the players. If so, he will use some with TT. If not, he will be like Hue trying to hammer a square peg in to a round hole.
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What was TT's sack status last year???
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To the RPO's, I don't think Ben would be the guy to run those. Can't comment on any of his other stints.
I know Haley has said he molds his O around the players. If so, he will use some with TT. If not, he will be like Hue trying to hammer a square peg in to a round hole. i actuall meant to correct my last post. Although i didnt see RPO's in the Steelers games i watched; but Haley did in fact use RPO's. I'll post that info when i get the chance.
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Good article all around about Haley's offense: https://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/11/7/1...t-going-to-puntHere is the RPO concept the diagram: /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9578485/HaleyPlaybook5.jpg) Against 6-man box its an automatic run: /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9578575/HaleyPlaybook27.jpg) Against 7 man a quick pass: /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9578605/HaleyPlaybook25.jpg) And to piggyback from Ballpeen, seems logic to expect more RPO's.
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I would expect a ton of Shotgun formations as well. TT, Hyde, and Barkley if we get him, all fit the Shotgun well.
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