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Maybe when the shooters follow those rules the students will do the same.

Teachers describing their classrooms.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/loc...rklands-n855196

I read through these quotes.

A few were very keen.

Others reminded me that we have some out-of-touch-with-reality kooks teaching our kids.

Would you want your kid to have a teacher who thinks that school shootings are not a matter of:

"If it will happen here", but rather,

"When it will happen here."

I'd get my kid out of that class and away from that teacher real quick.

I recently heard an interview with NYC Police Commissioner Jimmy O'Neill. He was asked by the interviewer, "should teachers carry guns?"

His answer: "I think teachers should teach. They already have enough on their plates."

Now, if the Top Cop of the world's most elite police force thinks this way, I know I'm in good company.

Satire from The Borowitz Report

N.R.A. Proposes Having Second Armed Teacher in Every Classroom to Stop First Armed Teacher from Misfiring

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Hours after an armed teacher in a Northern California classroom fired a gun and injured a student, the head of the National Rifle Association proposed placing a second armed teacher in every classroom, to shoot the first armed teacher before he or she can do harm.

“Had there been a second armed teacher in the classroom to shoot the first armed teacher, this regrettable incident would never have occurred,” Wayne LaPierre said. “The only thing that stops a bad teacher with a gun is a good teacher with a gun.”

The N.R.A. executive vice-president said, “In a perfect world, you would have a third armed teacher, in case the second one messes up, but right now I’d settle for two.”

He blamed anti-gun activists for blocking measures that would allow multiple teachers with guns to shoot at one another and thus keep the nation’s classrooms safe. “It’s time to stop the madness,” he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz...-from-misfiring

We also must have some out of touch kids...I mean when a 6 year old asks his mom to buy him new shoes because his light up shoes might give him away when the teacher turns off the lights in the room and he is trying to hide.

Of course they do.
He's sitting in Australia right this minute- reading your posts.

And when criminals follow follow gun control laws then the law abiding citizens will too.

Drugs are illegal but still criminals have drugs. If the laws cannot stop criminals from buying drugs what makes you think gun laws will be more effective?

Like I said, I prefer every single public school have only one way to get in and out and that it's guarded by professionals. It wouldn't hurt to have a drug dog at that entrance to to help keep drugs out of the school too. I mean drugs kill thousands upon thousands more than any kind of mass shooting does.

Just a heads up, weapons lead to destruction, we wreck our climate.

We should also build a bridge instead of a wall. I like the brown people

Es importante practicar. That's 2 languages, the rest of the world speaks 3

They also have less gun related deaths

Out of curiosity, what is it about being armed that would take time away from their teaching duties?

We already task teachers with providing our children a safe environment:
-from bullies
-from themselves
-from the creepy perv across the street watching them get on the school bus
-from neglect... we expect our teachers to know our children and be able to recognize when something is wrong.

I'm fine with armed teachers. So long as it's a) voluntary and b) they receive at least annual training and have to annually qualify based on law enforcement standards. I don't think simply having a CCW is sufficient.

qualifications:

- must be able to shoot your student center mass.

Qualifications:

-must be able to cower in corner and cry, or run about in full panic until shot. Don't forget to Facebook the whole thing.

So basically, be a cop in Florida.

Here's an idea: let's take one of those addicts on bath salts and incarcerate them in the janitor's closet. If someone comes in to the school shooting, let him loose! Florida's got tons of them!

Bro have you ever had an encounter like that yet? That crap has got to be scary

You do realize there is something called a fire code, right? Every building needs to offer multiple exits.

This thread is disgusting.

I haven't had a face eater, but close LOL

One night, it was about 4:30 am we got a call about some dude tearing up his hotel room. One of the cops I rolled up with dealt with him about an hour prior. The dude was a bit off, asking him to check behind his wheel wells and the back seat (of a tiny Chevy S-10) to make sure no one was back there. The guy was clearly having some issues but he didn't rise to the level we could force him to go for an evaluation and he didn't want to go voluntarily. He had a legit room at the hotel so he let him go in to sleep it off.

When we got there the second time, like I said, the clerk said he was tearing up the room. As we went to check it out the clerk says "Oh, by the way, he took a 5 foot metal pole with pad locks on the end of it with him in there".

Awesome.

We go up to the door and this guy was having a knock down, drag 'em out fight. By himself. He's throwing TV"s, ripping stuff off of walls, screaming and yelling... dude was literally a 1 man Royal Rumble playing the part of all 30 wrestlers.

We got a 3rd officer there with us, but not a one of us is bigger than 5'8". I also got a supervisor on the way and already called for EMS. EMS was partly for him, but also partly for us. I remember thinkin "man, we're going to get our asses whooped by this dude" LOL

Dude refuses to come to the door and we hear him go in to the bathroom. This guy is clearly a danger so we got a room key and went in. Rooms torn apart. The Royal Rumble is still on in the tiny bathroom. He won't come out.. he doesn't speak much English, we don't speak much Spanish. My buddy drew the short straw and was going to go in first. We hoped I was going to be able to squeeze my skinny butt in right behind before the door closed. As soon as my buddy pushed open the bathroom door...

...dude pops his head out and says "Hola!"

That's it! I have seen people go from 0 to 60 just like that, but this was the first time I've ever seen anyone de-escalate instantaneously. Luckily we played it cool, kept him calm, got him in handcuffs and walked him outside to wait for EMS.

Now I kept EMS coming because after 5 minutes of being outside he was sweating profusely. It was 32 degrees out and he was only wearing a light jacket. Not normal by any means.

I was concerned that he was showing possible signs of what is sometimes called "excited delirium". It's a state that usually involves some kind of mental health crisis combined with or induced by a chemical substance: meth, bath salts, what ever. Essentially the body is dying and doesn't realize it yet. These people will run fevers of 104,105, 106. We've received a lot more training on what to look for over the last several years as bath salts became more popular. It's not uncommon to tussle with someone experiencing a mental health crisis, then they calm down. Or someone cracked out, then they calm down. But you have to monitor them closely afterwards because if they are experiencing excited delirium, they'll calm down like anyone else, but then suddenly drop over dead.

But yeah bro, that was an intense situation and I thought for sure we were gonna end up with stitches LOL

I'm being facetious, but how many kids die in school fires......? Probably less than the ones who get shot or OD.

holy crap bro lol. at least that didn't end up worst case scenario

Yeah man. I was definitely glad of that. It's one thing to sleep soundly after someone tried to play Johnny Ringo to your Doc Holliday... but when someone in a mental health crisis forces the situation to that level, it's hard to feel at ease about what you had to do even though you didn't have a choice.

So, with that rationale I guess we eliminate exit points for schools because, well...there are "not many fires". Why stop there? Lets eliminate seismic upgrades in west coast schools. It's expensive and hey, who knows when the big one comes or if it ever does.

Oh, and let's remember that very same rationale next time any of you Cons post about Immigration/Crime and Terrorism. Because, remember, and this is a FACT: the VAST majority of crimes and incidents of terror in this country have been and ARE committed by Americans. Yet we still see fear ridden, xenophobic, racist, hateful posts popping up in here on a daily basis about some random incident found on some police blotter or Fox/Yahoo news. Then, without fail the witch trial starts and the same folks post the same thing over and over. Robot mode.

This is a school thread. A freakin' school thread and people are arguing why there should be more guns, teachers with guns, questioning exit/entrance points, questioning motives of the survivors from Parkland or in other threads people are spinning it into their own debate on abortion. Honestly...it's pretty sick.

No wonder the decline of the "American Empire" is happening right before our eyes.

You almost make it sound like it's one-sided.

You guys are ok with violent criminal gangs importing drugs and human sex slaves in to our country free and unfettered because they aren't the majority of who's crossing the border illegally.

Questioning the motives of Parkland survivors? Hmm... go back and read how the Parkland survivors who support the NRA and/or say that it's not new laws that will fix things... look at how they are treated and viewed. These kids may not agree with the reasons for the walk outs, but they are much more knowledgeable about the topic in general than 99.9% of the students out there.

But go ahead and talk about disgusting behavior while millions of ignorant and uneducated, easily impressionable children are exploited to promote a political agenda.

I don't think that was his message.

From his tone, it sounded like he was in the 'specialist' camp:
"Teachers are trained to teach. Security is trained for protection. Leave each job to those who have been trained for them."

Can't say I disagree.

I sure hope at the next school fire the fire dept doesn't choose to stay outside and hunker.

if they needed back uo , then they possiby until the got what they need to fight the fire

No.
Saving as many lives as you can comes before putting out the fire. They usually happen at the same time but life safety of the kids comes first.

Venting, search and rescue is a priority as smoke kills more than the actual fire does.

You know, those doors can be locked from the outside. Providing one way in and multiple ways out.

My issue with arming teachers is that if we get to a point where a teacher needs to act, it's already too late. At that point you already have an active shooter situation. With trained security, they can monitor cameras, patrol the area, etc and keep any eye out for suspicious people/activity.

Agreed.
Leave that job to professionals who specialize in security.

Asking teachers to strap up and draw down is about as sensible as relying on your plumber to represent you in court or perform ACL surgery.

Simile game is on fire.

Teachers don't fit into a single box.

There are some who can shoot the eye out of a Newt at 50 yards.

There are those who can handle security issues as well as teach.

Oh wise 40, please educate us on what you know about the science of education.

First you must educate us on why you believe all teachers are inept at handling security duties and incapable of returning fire on an attacker.

I'm afraid my friend that the security professionals people envision in their mind isn't going to come close to translating to what is going to appear in reality.

Assuming your security at a minimum is law enforcement (even retired), you aren't going to get SWAT guys. Assuming you get competent, tactically trained officers in the school, how many is needed? I can tell you that there isn't enough work for 2 SROs at a school on a daily basis. If we determine we need say, 4 officers for adequate security, you can't justify the cost... further more, multiply that times the number of schools in your area.

And I'll be honest with you Clem, there's really only one of 2 types of people you'll get as an SRO as it is now

1) officers who have a desire and affinity to work with kids

2) officers who aren't worth a damn on the street, or are problem children, and need a place out of the way. Or close to retirement looking for a gig to ride out the last year.

Unfortunately you're going to get more of the latter.

Hard charging officers don't want to be cooped up in a school. They want to be out on the streets.



This is why I'm seriously considering the merits of allowing armed teachers and I've outlined some initial thoughts on training standards elsewhere. Ideally I wouldn't want teachers packin' heat. Ideally we wouldn't have to be concerned with guns near schools like it used to be. Ideally you guys could go about enjoying life and leave the hyper-vigilance and paranoia to people like me to deal with.

I'm not saying professional security isn't the way to go, but I really would be interested to hear more about how you guys envision that scenario and see it working out.

Why is it they could come up with a way to secure an airport with all the traffic and entrances and exits but they can't come up with a way to secure schools?

The solution is there but it will take open minds and working together to come up with it.

First school shooting.

July 26, 1764 Greencastle, Pennsylvania 10 killed 2 survived

Enoch Brown school massacre: Perhaps the earliest shooting to happen on school or college property, in what would become the United States, was the notorious Enoch Brown school massacre during the Pontiac's War. Four Delaware (Lenape) American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, and shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown and nine children (reports vary). Only two children survived. However, this incident may only incidentally be considered a school "shooting" because only the teacher was shot, while the other nine victims were killed with melee weapons.

Well, off the top of my head, aren't we told to arrive to an airport 2 hours early to be able to be processed through screening, metal detectors, etc?

Good luck getting students to do that.

Not being snarky here either.

I don't have the answers. Some ideas, yes, but those wouldn't go over well, so I'll just keep them to myself.

There is much more traffic and items to go through at the airport too so it should nearly that long at a school, but is your safety worth the 1/2 hour to 2 hours to stay safe?

I didn't think the exact same as airport security but could take bits that could be workable, All ideas are welcomed may not work as is but parts can be used with other ideas.