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Rosen is not as small as people think. Good QBs do not have to look like Ben. Rogers and Rosen have similar builds. When I watched Rosen, Rogers was the guy he reminded me of. I believe Rosen is bigger.

As for Darnold, I want no part of a player that has to learn to protect the ball. He would be a nightmare in the NFL. A guy who has plaed that way when he was successful, could easily return to that during a pressure game. I've seen many guys who tend to hold the ball in one hand, the result is always the same. NFL defensives would be drooling at getting a shot at the guy. But besides the fumbles, he did throw a lot of INTS also.

We've been cursed for decades with QBs that turn the ball over. If he has to fix it, I don't want him.

An NFL QB coach who was part of a team meeting with USC QB Sam Darnold told Sports Illustrated's Bruce Feldman that the signal-caller "wasn't as far along as I thought he was."

Feldman spoke with three quarterbacking coaches and all three had some positive things to say about Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson to go with the expected critiques. Not so with Darnold. One QB coach referred to their meeting with the 6-foot-3, 220-pounder as merely "O.K.," while another was disappointed in Darnold's decision not to throw in Indianapolis. That came as a direct contrast to how Lamar Jackson's combine played out, with elite athlete Jackson opting not to test athletically, but instead just taking part in throwing work. We suspect that L-Jax's approach is one that was more appreciated by NFL teams, especially given that he chose to face criticism regarding his throwing prowess head-on.

Source: Sports Illustrated Mar 6 - 5:46 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

Don't trust anyone.

Thanks for all of these reports on the various qbs, Jester.

Exactly. That one NFL coach probably wants Darnold at about #3-7 or something...

A bunch came up in a row on rotoworld.com, I wanted to put them together in one thread but didn't find one that really fit so put them with the individual Qb treads.

I don't know what to make of all these reports but I found them interesting

More information for our own personal data banks. It's all good.

Or he's not lying and he's just wrong. None of these rumors mean anything until maybe a night or two before the draft.

Darnold rubbed some the wrong way by not working out then basically saying he wasn't gonna change. He gave the very impression that risen has been trying to get rid of. Meanwhile Rosen, Allen and Mayfield helped themselves.

If he isn't going to get rid of that wind-up, I don't draft him.

Bump.

Darnold is growing on me. He has some games where he looks great and others where he looks not so great. The problems in the bad games do look correctable. He's a fine piece of marble, but he has some rough edges to polish. Having Tyrod in the fold makes me more comfortable with taking him. He has a good feel for timing and anticipation and probably made the most tight window throws of all the QBs. He does need to learn to protect the ball better and that it is sometimes best to take the sack. That can be learned much easier than his feel for the game.

Why? He is still fast releasing the ball. It looks weird, but so did Bernie and Rivers.

The one thing I think is Darnold's biggest asset is his overall awareness. Both in the pocket and down the field. He makes some plays under pressure, and I'm like how did he not get sacked, and how did he even see that man open.

Those are things that helps you win ball games.

Give me Darnold, Rosen, or Jackson.

Yeah, the one thing i took off all of this that's happened the past couple days (Tyrod Taylor Interview and this Jets move), we're definitely taking a QB at 1. That QB will be Darnold or Allen.

Off that, I'm thinking Darnold has the edge. And he'll sit out all next year if possible

I just pray that it's Darnold and not Allen. I'll embrace Alllen, or at least try to get excited.


But Darnold would make me feel so much better

I prefer Rosen but won't complain if we take Darnold.

Oh, me too. Just trying to read the tea leaves.


There's a lot that we don't know about these guys.

Sometimes you just have to have faith

For sure. As long as it's one if those two and not Allen.

After getting Tyrod my gut has me leaning toward Dorsey taking Sam.

God. I wish this was done already. I STILL dont get the love for Darnold over Rosen. So hes bigger? The dude has never taken a snap under center in a game. Plays backyard football most of the time and threw half as many INTs as TDs his last year. That doesnt even account for the atrocious ball handing. And you guys want to take this project at ONE?

Rosen is taller and heavier than Darnold.

He is also more more mechanically sound.

He also can read coverages.

He also doesn't panic in the pocket and force throws after his lower body mechanics break down.

Yea but he looks thin.. Lmao

I agree with all this and like I said I'm trying to come around on Darnold because I believe he's going to be the pick. I think the feeling is Tyrod can hold down the position until Darnold is ready and that we have the coaches in the organization who can mold Darnold into the quarterback we want.

For me I think it's come down to Mayfield vs Darnold. I think many in our organization actually love Mayfield, but the belief is that our coaches can turn Darnold into something far more superior than Mayfield. We can coach Darnold for the next 2 years while Tyrod plays and Darnold will still be younger than Mayfield is now. I don't necessarily agree and I think it could bite us... But I feel this is where we're at.

Yeah, but Rosen's girlfriend is hotter than Darnold's, so there's that that.
After all, isn't that why we wanted AJ?

No, that’s why we would have allowed AJ in the building.

We all have an opinion on what QB we should draft. I prefer Darnold but that is JMO. I honestly feel any one of the 5 top rated QB's in this draft could come here and be successful with the coaches we now have. John Dorsey and our scouts and coaches know more about drafting QB's than I do. Whomever they choose I will support and hope he is here a long time and makes us winners and yearly contenders. Lord knows we are overdue.

j/c

I'm not sure why you would go out and sign TT and rave about his low turnover ratio then turn around and draft Darnold. Maybe because opposites attract?

If turnover rate was your sole criteria, then Mayfield would be the clear choice. Rosen threw more picks than Darnold in their college careers and he did not play against any top college defenses to boot. Toughest D Rosen played against was Washington and he played only 1 half.

Drafting a quarterback is about projection. If this is the scenario that plays out, our GM, coaches, etc probably feel this is an issue they can rectify.

Rosen played in a pro-style offense that demanded that he read post-snap coverages and go through progressions. Guys in the spread offenses are not asked to do that. That doesn't mean they can't, but it's a fact that no one knows if they can or not. That is why I laugh my ass off when guys claim that Mayfield and Rudolph are very good at reading coverages. Rosen has done it and done it well.

I think Rosen has a question mark besides his concussions, but no one has picked up on it. They just keep making stuff up.

Mason and Rosen are definitely the two best QBs in the draft when it comes to reading defense pre and post snap. It's probably the main reason I like these two QBs so much.

Koo

Nah whats actually funny is you thinking PAC 12 coverages would compare to reading NFL coverage... sorry man I smell bs here...lol:D