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Student post video of guns and caption "fun day at the range"

Student went to gun range w/ family members.

School policy states - " can suspend students for up to a year if they are "reported to be in possession of a weapon of any type for any reason or purpose on or off school grounds."

---so now you have schools trying AGAIN to create policy that not only infringe on their students rights, but their parents rights as well. What a shame these far left crazies have gone.

They attack our rights
They attack family units
They attack parents rights to parent their children

They disgust me.

http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2018/03/after_uproar_school_district_quietly_changes_gun_p.html

Seems the school realized that the letter of the law overstepped the spirit of the law. If you are OK with children bringing guns to school then I can see why this policy would disgust you, but I would prefer students face harsh penalties if they brought/snuck a gun into school.

What the kids do on their own time away from school isn't the schools business in my book (and that applies to parties, concerts, social events, etc.)

I went to a fundamentalist christian school growing up that suspended kids if they were rumored of going to a music concert (obviously off school grounds). I was suspended because 3 bullies told the vice principal I went to one, even though my family in no way had the money to go to an event like that. Still, my word against the bullies (one of whom was the principals son) so, 5 day suspension I got. Thankfully my parents got me out of that abomination of christian principles a short time later...

Attacking all that is good in America is the Left's goal.
All enemies, Domestic and Foreign.

You have a lot of gall calling the left enemies of the state when YOU elected Trump.

This has nothing to do with anyone bringing a gun to a school. They do not need a policy about that, because it is already against the law to do so.

Link to law banning guns in schools? My understanding is it falls to local/state ordinances therefore you can't always operate on the assumption that it would be illegal.

Either way, a school is at their discretion to specify their own penalties for misconduct. Just because the state or local ordinance issues a penalty doesn't mean you cant have one yourself. When I grew up if I got in trouble, my mom often disciplined me, then later when my dad got home I would be disciplined again

J/C https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/parkland-survivors-emma-gonzalez-60-minutes-death-threats.html

In a new interview with 60 Minutes, several survivors of the horrific shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, detailed the death threats they’ve received since becoming outspoken anti–gun violence activists. Students Emma González, David Hogg, and Cameron Kasky spoke of the threats they’ve been subjected to — “And I, for one, am paranoid about a bomb being thrown in the window,” González said of the activists’s new office space — but they aren’t letting that slow them down.

“The fact that I’m getting death threats, Emma’s getting death threats, Cameron’s getting death threats, it shows the polarized state that America’s in,” Hogg told 60 Minutes.




No doubt these death threats are coming directly from the right wing extremists and NRA associates. How despicable and deplorable. Sad.

[quote]School policy states - " can suspend students for up to a year if they are "reported to be in possession of a weapon of any type for any reason or purpose on or off school grounds."[quote]

Sounds to me like any idiots who inforced this should either be locked up or sued into submission. Freakin Idiots

Yeah. Stupid.

The school thinks they can mandate that a student can't go deer hunting, or woodchuck hunting? Can't shoot skeet or clay pigeons in the back yard with mom or dad? Can't go to a shooting range with mom or dad?

What's next for them? The school says students can be suspended if they are reported to be in possession of a knife of any type for any reason, on or off school grounds? Good luck eating a steak, students. Or cutting a birthday cake.

The solution in my opinion is to pull your child from that school. I would also shame the school board members and school administrators by making it public knowledge of their complicity in creating such a horrible rule. I would be at every single event that they showed up at. I would be at every event affiliated with the party they belong that I could. A school administrator and school board member are public officials. They have no real right to privacy while performing their public duties. Be in their face constantly. Make them regret such far reaching ill-advised rules.

Libs in charge!

I extremely hate this.

No school, or business, should be following you around in your personal life and making judgements on you for what you do in your personal time.

It is NOT illegal for kids to go to the range with their parents.

In fact, it should be encouraged, if you want to teach your kids how to hunt. (There are many families that are hunters)

Bring them up right on gun safety.

I have been to the range and seen fathers with their sons, supervising them on how to shoot the gun.

I will fully admit that being around a 12 year old with a gun, made me a little uncomfortable. BUT I would rather have a father teaching their kids about guns, then the kid finding the gun and doing something stupid with it because they didn't know.

I'm not going to call anybody a liar.. but I just looked up about half a dozen articles about this and for all of the death threats they have received, not a single one is published anywhere. I have found reproductions of tweets and facebook posts from them complaining about it but nobody has posted the text from a single death threat.

So if you know where I can see any of these death threats, which it only stands to reason would be out there somewhere, let me know.

Sometimes fathers of daughters even teach their daughter how to shoot. And about guns, and safety.

My daughter likes to shoot. Done it in the back yard many, many times. Even at a shooting range. I sure as hell won't put the video on here of her shooting at a range. (at the time, she was 11 or 12). I guarantee you would not have been nervous standing in the next lane.

She also knows what a gun can do to a living creature, as she's seen deer that I've shot.

Get this, she's held guns, and fired guns. And, she respects them as much as I do.

jc

so this has to be a case of libby nanny state infringement? There is no other explanation?

I can definitely see a scenario where someone who wasn't a lawyer wrote the rule as originally written. You would want to cover being able to discipline a kid for bringing a gun on a school bus. The new rule as written removes the 'off school grounds' and adds a school bus clause. I have also ran into my share of people who see a rule and follow it to the letter, without regard to thinking of why you would enforce or not enforce the rule.

We should be extremely careful with allowing unchecked paranoia to turn into disproportionate responses to misdeeds.

Not that I condone what the school is doing, it is stupid. But if it is a private school they can pretty much establish whatever rules they want to and you live by them or you don't go to school there or at least get punished if you break them.

You dont think that parochial schools have rules that are not the normal school rules that kids are expected to follow. My daughter considered going to Canton Central Catholic , pretty much because she wanted to play Bball there. But there was a whole long list of rules she would have agreed to if she went there. No sex, was one of the top ones, but the point is if you sign up for a private school their rules are their rules.

Now watch it is probably a public school and a moot point

Well, the original article mentioned Lacey Township Schools, so I would guess it's a public school.

I know our public school has a code of conduct/ethics that students need to abide by when on the school grounds. If you play a sport, or are in an extracurricular program, there is an extended code of conduct that must be followed. Mainly about alcohol and tobacco, really.

Fighting in school or on school grounds is a suspendable offense. Fighting in your back yard is not, nor should it be.

In Ohio, carrying/having a gun on your person while on school grounds is illegal, even for a person with a CCW. (there are some exceptions: i.e. dropping your kid off at school, etc).

But really, for a school to say you can't touch a weapon while not on school grounds is just going to far.

Like I said, what's next? No knives on or off school property?

Should a school be allowed to tell you what restaurants you are allowed to eat at after school hours? What church you can or cannot attend? What clothes you can wear when you are at home?

I'd guess private school rules are ok, but in general it shouldn't be held as a social/political norm of anything.

So, say you want to go to a private school, and their number 1 rule is that turkeys must perch upon your head and crap on you.

Are you really gonna go start a media fire about that?

No.

So who cares if parents teach their kids about guns?

Step off....

I actually agree with just about everything you said. Just responding to what you said about schools not having the right to tell students about guns out of school, or whatever. Just pointing out the variable that could be involved if it was a private school.

No, you just wouldnt go to that school , but if you did then you would be agreeing to their turkey perching rule.

So you step off

And as I said, the article said "Lacey Township Schools".

Public schools should have no say in what a student does off premises. If it's illegal according to the state, city, etc, okay. If it's legal according to the state/city, the school should have no reason to suspend a student for off site activities.

Private schools? Yeah, they can have a bit stricter code of conduct. But, like I asked, how far can they go? A kid attending a private school shouldn't be allowed to hunt? Should the private school be allowed to tell a student where they can eat on a Saturday evening?

NO.

They can have a much latitude as the agreement you sign with the school. I am not saying I would want these things, or send my kid to a school with silly rules like that , but if you sign the contract with the rules then they have that right.

Transgender boy wins girls’ state wrestling title for second time

CYPRESS, Texas — For the second year in a row, a transgender wrestler has won the Texas girls’ Class 6A 110-pound division.

Mack Beggs, an 18-year-old senior from Euless Trinity High School near Dallas, entered the tournament in Cypress outside Houston with an undefeated record. He beat Chelsea Sanchez — whom he beat for the title in 2017 — in the final match Saturday.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/25/transgender-boy-wins-girls-state-wrestling-title-for-second-time/

My private school growing up had almost exactly that rule: I couldn't go into a place that predominantly served alcohol. The rule was super vague (does a bowling alley count?) but it was enforced from time to time.

I agree that a public school should not do anything that would cause an undue burden on the students as they often have no choice but to attend the public school because of where they live. Private schools take tuition, so they are free to be much more aggressive in what they consider improper codes of conduct.

Additional acts of proper conduct at my school included:
- Must wear a belt if a boy
- Must wear a dress if a girl
- Dying or bleaching hair is prohibited
- No jeans

Acts that could result in immediate school expulsion:
- Attending a rock concert
- Going to a prom/dance at a public school

I think private schools should be free to set policy as they see fit, even if that includes voluntary restriction of ones rights, for example not going to certain places or performing certain acts. If a private school didn't want kids using guns attending their school, I think that should be their right. Public school? No way.

Feel bad for Chelsea Sanchez. She could have been 2-time state champion..

You mean like misdirected anger at the NRA instead of at the failure of law enforcement from the federal level on down to prevent this last shooting?

How many NRA members have ever been involved in a shooting like this?

One.

The guy that stopped the Texas church shooting.

With an AR-15.

I actually feel sorry for all the girls who work so hard to be great wrestlers only to have to face a guy along the way.

He is undefeated, two years running and I wonder what that does to the drive and psyche of the girls when the game is rigged.

Once again the needs of the One outweighs the needs of the many.

Just because they say it, it must be true, right?

Hogg, a crisis actor, has entered the world of politics.

Just because one is a school shooting survivor does not give one immunity from criticism nor make you automatically smart and the moral authority. If you are going to be an activist trying to stomp on the 2nd amendment, be prepared for activists willing to fight for it. Death threats are obviously out of out of bounds, but I have yet to see documentation of one and if there were, you know damn well they would be investigated and we haven't heard about that either.

http://www.newsweek.com/twitter-verifies...d-shield-815732

The company said it has started verifying the accounts of a number of survivors in an apparent bid to shut down those questioning their credibility. Twitter's verification confirms that the account belongs to the person named in the bio and that they are a real person.

"We are also using our anti-spam and anti-abuse tools to weed out malicious automation around these individuals and the topics they are raising," Twitter said.

Show proof that Hogg is a paid shill and not a victim of the shooting, or take the tin foil hat off.



You won't get proof of death threats because these kids are being smart and filing police reports. Since the death threat is evidence, you do not want to tamper with it.

It's unfortunate people get sucked into the world of conspiracy theories. Calling someone a crisis actor who lived through a traumatic event robs them of their agency, dehumanizes them, and is a disgusting claim that anyone who baselessly lobbies should be ashamed of.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...eory-code-words

Then why are social media outlets blocking the abuse of Parkland shooting survivors online? Mmmm?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/social-me...ory?id=53250460

I wasn't talking about people questioning their credibility, I was talking about people making death threats.


Again, nothing about death threats...

It sounds like you might just actually be calling them liars. Implying it at the very least. I find it odd how so many say we shouldn't give hate mongers any publicity, then when that line of reasoning is followed we question the victims.

LOL Sorry, but as gage said the death threat is evidence now in a police report. You'll have to wait like the rest of us to see it.

Perhaps you should have waited before falling for this possible Fake News story before you swallowed it, hook line and sinker.

THE death threat? As in ONE? not that one is acceptable but it's happening to everybody, all of the kids involved, their parents, everybody is receiving death threats... and nobody, not one single person, got a screen grab of any of them to get out into the media?

That's surprising......

What a great post and IMHO all that needs to be said. Government of any kind should not be able to control your private life unless your hurting someone.