Just remember the Pac 12??? is not known for their defenses.
I for one don't look at defenses I look at accuracy of placement, of small windows, of throws to the Out. I look for mobility in the pocket, I try to judge game wise when they play against known defenses. Made sure I watched Mayfield when he played against Ohio State, Georgia and in their conference the several TCU games.
Razor...hehehe you go a little too far talking about the eyes and the magic Rudolph does in manipulating safeties...lol man pimping to the nth degree. But be careful cause if you over do it you will lose credibility.
jmho
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Believe me or not I don't really care. I am confident I have watched more video on him than anyone here and I stand by what I said. He does a great job of reading defenses post snap. He uses fakes and eye direction to move the defense away from where he throws and he does is better than anyone in this draft. He goes through read progressions and spreads the ball out to who ever is open with excellent field vision. Once they fix his footwork he will be the best QB of this draft. Feel free to save this post and hold me to it because I mean every word of it the same way I meant it for Jimmy G. when everyone thought I was crazy.
Mason Rudolph will be an elite QB. Period.
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Hey, Razor, I know you weren't responding to me, but I didn't see the look-offs & fakes you're referring to in the limited tape I looked at. Can you possibly direct me to a couple games where you were able to see those things. I'd like to check them out on draftbreakdown. TIA
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"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
I will remember and most definitely give you the props that you would deserve...although I don't think it would be a situation where all your football would then be revered. But I would always refer to you on QBs after that is proven that is for sure. I never had a problem saying I am wrong.
Actually I am not saying you are wrong never did. I am saying for some reason at this juncture, the scouts and GMs don't seem to see what you see.
We don't have that 2nd draft pick at #22 where if just might be slotted. These guys have to justify their picks and I don't see them taking a QB like Rudolph as high as #4 let alone #1.
Again I do not know the kid (I claim I am ignorant) enough to say good or bad what I do know is currently he is not talked up as an Elite prospect by the "Experts". Who change their mind every month.
I think if you are in love with Rudolf as our savior and THE GUY as a Browns fan. The only way at this juncture of the process for him to be a Brown is if we go and take Cousins in FA and forego the investment at #1 or #4 for a QB and possibly we will make that investment at #33 or #35 instead and if he is there take that shot.
You have to remember I am more or less adjusting my opinion on QBs with what I think our TEAM will possibly do. If it was just my personal opinion...I'd be pimping Mayfield on every post like some have been doing for their guys.
But I concede that in following the draft GMs usually will drop a QB due to the imperfection of HEIGHT. So that at #1 and #4 I likewise don't think we will take him as our QB...slight chance we could do it at #4. But he is my favorite QB in this draft and I did take the time to watch most of his games each week especially as I got use to the DVR and would look ahead each week and find when Oklahoma was playing and hit the record button.
I didnt have the time to do all the QBs - I don't know why I chose him. I just thought maybe he would be THE GUY for us.
jmho
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I got you mate. Just keep in mind at this time of year anything you hear is probably lies or misdirection from a team. Even if one of these talking heads say so and so said something to them it could still be a case of misdirection. I mean think about it. If your a team scout and your blabbing your mouth around then chances are you're going to get fired for having loose lips.
I have no idea when or what QBs will get taken this draft. Too many good ones so I can see all kind of crazy scenarios. I don't even want to try that prediction. I have no problems with taking Mason at #1 overall and having him start his rookie season. I prefer he get to sit a year and work on his footwork some but seldom does a perfect situation ever occur. Same thing with Rosen, I prefer to let him sit to clear out any Concussion risks but I think he could start his rookie season and do well. Darnold I prefer he sit a bit. I won't cry if any of these three guys are the starting QB taken at #1 but Mason is my first choice.
Mayfield is a very talented QB too. His personality worries me quite a bit though. I don't really think he is mature enough for the NFL right now. I don't think he is a Johnny Manziel level but it's enough that my gut tells me he is going to be very risky. Let me clear I'm not stating that as fact but just as a gut feeling. He has the skills to be elite though.
I prefer we draft a big physical specimen for our division who can take a pounding. That's why I have us taking Darnold at #1 even though my favorite is Mason and the QB I want the most.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
After coaching baseball for more than ten years for an organization that has been ranked by Baseball America as the top youth ( age 13 to 18)baseball program in the US. There was the always the mantra: " Don't get to high and Don't get to low".
Players like Mayfield play on the edge. Emotion can control you. Peaks and valley's of emotion wear you out over time.
In college the rah, rah looks good and plays well. In the pros emotions can boil over but it can not happen as the rule but rather as the exception. These are grown men who are paid professionals. You can not exhaust yourself on a emotional roller coaster.
Just imagine Mayfield doing what he’s done in college to say.....one of our hated rival players, like James Harrison or Vante Burfict, what do you think they’re gonna do to him on the next series? I see him getting himself completely wrecked if he doesn’t tone it back some. It’s one thing to show emotion it’s another to throw it back in the face of the defenders, especially from the QB position.
I'm sure he will play with emotion throughout his career but why would it remotely be the same as his college emotions.
People mature - I can see him play with the same emotion that Brees displays and he has always played with the boundary of what is acceptable by his Team mates!
My goodness...we made a Punter a hero here for years cause he gave the finger to the Steelers. Have we forgotten how to be brash and confident. Too much losing.
Don't fear the Mayfield!
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I didn’t mean it as a true knock to the kid, emotion is fine, he just at times has taken it a bit far, imo. I’m sure he will mature.
I think the difference between college and the pros for him would be that they’re still mostly kids in college and while being disrespected rubs all people the wrong way, in the NFL some of those guys will take it to heart much more so then a kid would. Idk maybe I’m grasping at straws a little bit, I could just see those guys I mentioned making sure Mayfield got his if he was to disrespect them.
And yes we have forgotten how to be brash and confident, but it’s hard to be that way when you can’t win. Lol
I'm sure he will play with emotion throughout his career but why would it remotely be the same as his college emotions.
People mature - I can see him play with the same emotion that Brees displays and he has always played with the boundary of what is acceptable by his Team mates!
My goodness...we made a Punter a hero here for years cause he gave the finger to the Steelers. Have we forgotten how to be brash and confident. Too much losing.
Don't fear the Mayfield!
This is just MY OPINION.
Every fiber in me says Mayfield will be OVERWHELMED in the NFL.
The Gun, the Spread, that Offense, that Tude, that Height.
Not Good. And Danny Kannel likes him. NOT GOOD. Lol.
How quickly can he pick up an NFL scheme? One scout described the Cowboys' offense as "highly remedial." Said an NFC executive: "There's so much spacing. Sure, you've got to have the accuracy to get it there, but I don't think you get guys that are that open at this level." Rudolph can counter by saying he made 41 college starts (the most of any QB on this list), had audible power and was consulted in game-planning over the past couple seasons. Rudolph's arm talent isn't in question. He has prototypical size at 6-4, 229. But scouts describe him as a little mechanical and clunky as an athlete, and there are mixed reviews on his poise, pocket presence, etc., especially when asked to extend plays in the pocket and make reads. "When it breaks down, it gets tough on him sometimes," an NFC scout said. "He's probably not the athlete Baker is, which is saying something." The first chance to see Rudolph in a pro-style scheme was lost when he sat out the Senior Bowl with a foot injury. (The foot has since healed; Rudolph has been working with private coach Zac Robinson and will throw at the combine.) He's yet another prospect that teams will challenge on the board. "How much ball does he know?" another NFC scout said. "Because that scheme has made a lot of guys look really good."
Can he be "the guy"? Everyone says Rudolph is a good kid, but several scouts raised questions about how developed he is as a leader. One NFC executive described Rudolph as "a little quirky." Another scout pointed out Rudolph has a somewhat unusual background, having been home-schooled until junior high. "He improved in that regard this year, just as far as being a leader," an NFC scout said. "He's got to continue to develop relating to everybody, getting on the same page."
Just spit-balling, if the Browns forgo a QB in the first, but instead use #1 on Barkley and #4 on Fitzpatrick, Rudolph or Jackson at the top of the 2nd seems like an interesting alternative.
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Just spit-balling, if the Browns forgo a QB in the first, but instead use #1 on Barkley and #4 on Fitzpatrick, Rudolph or Jackson at the top of the 2nd seems like an interesting alternative.
As I said many times now, Mason won't make it past the Steelers. They are all over him like butter on pancakes because they know he is the next Big Ben and makes the perfect heir apparent for Ben.
On a side note I really hate how NFL network is not showing his passing video. It's just annoying that there is not equal access across all players.
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you are really hooked on this kid. We wont lose you as a fan will we?
I like the kid. Still that's a trite question. I mean are you going to stop being a fan if we don't draft Mayfield?
I don't even know if it's possible for me to totally give up on the Browns but I am already done spending money on them till they actually put a respectable team on the field. I will know from how they handle this FA period and the draft if there is any real future to the team. I am tired of not signing anyone worth a darn and then having drafts that are so obviously stupid.
Hopefully Dorsey does a better job and gives me a reason to have some actual hope about the team improving.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Tomlin is all over Mason on his proday. He seems to see what I see and that is that Mason is the next Big Ben. Mason looked razor sharp on this throws. He also looked like the ceiling was going to be in the way lol! I mean that ball goes up there! Drops down perfectly in the basket and hitting WR in stride anywhere he throws though.
Man I wish we could do the smart thing and draft this kid. He is so perfect for the AFC North.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Man I wish we could do the smart thing and draft this kid. He is so perfect for the AFC North.
He looks like he's in pretty good shape. Big dude. Someone will get a good QB in Mason Rudolph. But I think for the Steelers to get him they'll have to trade up.
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Just turned on the Oklahoma game…….the first 3 or 4 passes…..lol what am I even watching. Terrible
12:35 in the 4th he throws an absolute dime over the outside shoulder for a TD.
At 10:15 – 4th and 12, throws a ridiculous pass off his back foot for a 1st down, outstanding.
Ugh….down 38-41 he ducks out of a throw for an interception in the end zone. Double covered, wincing from pressure, ducking out of a throw, definitely not what you want to see.
He does a good job going through the motions of where his eyes need to be, but you can tell he doesn’t really “See” the field throwing into multiple double coverage situations when changing his read.
How did Oklahoma not lose more games, their secondary was absolute trash in this game.
Just from one game…..Quick release, big kid, spread offense, definitely has some accuracy issues. By some I mean a lot, under threw a ton of deep routes like 5-8 in a single game, and overthrew a couple of drags. Underthrew a slant inside the 15. He also threw a couple of deep gems, some really good deep balls, but on average he missed more than he hit.
His only real weakness is that sometimes he opens his hips too soon and doesn't plant his feet right and it makes the ball sail or die on him sometimes. It's completely fixable though. Once an NFL coach fixes that part of his footwork he is going to be one of the elites. The Browns have the perfect situation for him to fix it.
IF the Browns were to take Saquan at #1 and trade down with the bills then pick 12 would be the perfect place to take Mason. I doubt this happens but with the Chargers wanting Mason I think that is as far back as you can trade and still have a shot at him.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
He does a good job going through the motions of where his eyes need to be, but you can tell he doesn’t really “See” the field throwing into multiple double coverage situations when changing his read.
Check out the Boiler Room sometime they break down video on him and prove he knows what he is seeing and is manipulating defenses.
Just from one game…..Quick release, big kid, spread offense, definitely has some accuracy issues. By some I mean a lot, under threw a ton of deep routes like 5-8 in a single game, and overthrew a couple of drags. Under threw a slant inside the 15. He also threw a couple of deep gems, some really good deep balls, but on average he missed more than he hit.
The only QB to complete more passes in total was Mayfield and no one even came close to the completion percentage on deep balls. I would say 64% completion is pretty great for the high volume of passes and double the amount of deep passes of any other QB. You can see those kind of whiff passes by every single QB in this draft if you watch them enough.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
His only real weakness is that sometimes he opens his hips too soon and doesn't plant his feet right and it makes the ball sail or die on him sometimes.
That sounds like an arm strength, specifically a velocity, question to me.
Is that how you see it? As an arm strength question?
Let me ask you another question.
How would do you compare Mason to the other prospects in terms of: accuracy, throwing motion and injury/durability?
To standardize we could use a scale like below: 1-does not demonstrate given ability 2-below average 3- average 4-above average 5-elite
His only real weakness is that sometimes he opens his hips too soon and doesn't plant his feet right and it makes the ball sail or die on him sometimes.
That sounds like an arm strength, specifically a velocity, question to me.
Is that how you see it? As an arm strength question?
Let me ask you another question.
How would do you compare Mason to the other prospects in terms of: accuracy, throwing motion and injury/durability?
To standardize we could use a scale like below: 1-does not demonstrate given ability 2-below average 3- average 4-above average 5-elite
When you look at Mason's arm it's hard to nail it down. He doesn't throw hard on many throws because he deliberately throws it softer to make the ball more catchable. I mean when he throws it hard it flies out of his hand. Still I'll take a shot at this on a 1-10 scale.
Arm Strength 8 - He can throw the ball 80 yards in the air no problem at all for him.
Arm Mechanics 7 - His throwing motion is solid, quick, and efficient but is held back by his footwork.
Arm Talent 8 - He can make any throw to anywhere on the field. He does have passes that go whoopsie though.
Ball Velocity 7 - While he can throw it hard and fast he often chooses to throw it softer. I think it's because his WRs were dropping the ball too often because anytime he threw it with high velocity they seemed to drop it a lot.
Running Ability 5 - He is not a burner at all but he can usually get that first down and break a tackle here and there. He has gotten plenty of rushing td's so maybe I am being too harsh but I don't think much of his running ability.
Durability 8 - He has had a few minor injuries but nothing to be worried about and he chose to play through them for the most part. He is a big, physical QB who is not afraid of contact.
Mental Toughness 9 - This kid never gives up and never seems to get rattled for any length of time. I can't give him a 10 because sometimes he just tries too darn hard and will make a bad throw because of it.
Charisma 10 - His team mates all love him to death and will fight to win like their life depends on it. You can't ask a guy to do any more or be loved anymore than he is by his teammates and coaches.
Good Judgement 10 - He think ahead before he does anything in public and does not get into trouble. On the field he makes great decisions on where to go with the ball after he dissects the defense.
Field Vision 9 - This guy sees almost everything and recognizes what he sees. There isn't anyone in this draft that sees the field better.
Presnap Reads 8 - He is very good at reading the defense presnap but sometimes relies too much on safety movement and can get tricked here and there.
Post Snap Reads - 9 Mason is masterful at noticing the movement of the defense and then using his body and eye movement to throw off defenses that like to bird dog the QB. In all the years of watching predraft film I have NEVER seen anyone as good at this as Mason is.
Footwork 6 - Mason does ok with his footwork but he really needs to work on how he plants his feet under pressure. Same could be said for most of the QBs in this draft though. His footwork is his only major flaw and it affects his throwing more than I would like.
Accuracy -
Short 7 - He is ok at short passes but I think he tries too hard not to pass the ball hard and it messes his throwing mechanics up sometimes. It's almost like he is playing basketball with it. He still completes most of them though even if I don't like how they look.
Medium 8 - He does a lot better when he can put more of his arm into it. He still has passes that look like crap but most of his passes are pretty good.
Long 10 - He is the very best deep ball passer I have ever seen. For teams who want a vertical passing game he is the most elite passer in a very long time.
Ball Placement 7 - He has the ability to drop a ball on a dime and make it looks so pretty but then he has those passes that are WTF too. Still over all he hits guys in stride and they get good YAC.
Decision Making 9 - He usually makes good decisions with the ball but sometimes makes a decision too fast instead of being patient. Still he makes VERY fast decisions and most of the time they are the right ones. He doesn't always show that by throwing it fast because he likes to mess with the defense and tries to manipulate them before he throws some times.
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I'm sure I left something out but that is all I could think of off the top of my head.
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His only real weakness is that sometimes he opens his hips too soon and doesn't plant his feet right and it makes the ball sail or die on him sometimes. It's completely fixable though. Once an NFL coach fixes that part of his footwork he is going to be one of the elites. The Browns have the perfect situation for him to fix it.
IF the Browns were to take Saquan at #1 and trade down with the bills then pick 12 would be the perfect place to take Mason. I doubt this happens but with the Chargers wanting Mason I think that is as far back as you can trade and still have a shot at him.
Climbing up the draft boards but I don't think he breaks into the top 4 which means ahead of Allen.
Hips??? its his inconsistent Accuracy issues keeping the kid down. I would class him and Lamar equal in accuracy issues and I would take Lamar for his Athleticism. So I see Rudolph as the #6 QB in this draft and all 6 will be taken in the first round.
I hope the Steelers take him which unfortunately tells you what I think of his future. But you never know.
And that question about loyalty was not an insult I was just curious. And I already stated several times if we do not take Mayfield I'm backing whoever the Browns FO/Coaching staff decide on 100%. But I didn't read anything like that from you.
I just find it weird you putting your hat in the Rudolf ring when there is about 1% chance we will take him. Just not in the right place at the right time.
If we got pick #22 again he might be the guy and unfortunately with similar results as Weeden!
jmho
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Hey Razor, I'll always listen to what you have to say regarding qb's after your hardcore pimping of JG. But, Dang man focus in. Romeo gave you a one to five criteria and you respond on a scale of ten. I can divide by two, but it makes me think that you aren't really putting any thought into the questions, rather you're listening to your own voice. Also, I would like to see some examples of him looking off the safety and using a pump fake if you wouldn't mind.
I just find it weird you putting your hat in the Rudolf ring when there is about 1% chance we will take him. Just not in the right place at the right time.
If we got pick #22 again he might be the guy and unfortunately with similar results as Weeden!
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Why should it matter if I think the Browns will take him or not? My evaluation on him is what I think of him not the Browns. I have no way to know what they think. I chose Mason as the best QB in this draft because I like what I saw when I watched his video based on MY evaluation.
Don't get me wrong. People are more than welcome to disagree with me. I am not running a popularity contest about my opinions. I share them for whoever wants to listen and debate with anyone who wants to provide I have the energy that day.
About hips: When a QB opens up their hips too early into their throwing motion it disaligns their entire throwing motion. This of course effects their accuracy. Thus your agreeing with me on a small problem of his but I am giving you the "WHY" if that makes sense to you. It's not a big problem though because he is for the most part a very accurate passer. It's his sometimes bad footwork that causes the problems with his weird throws sometimes. BUT it's completely fixable =)
I don't think Mason will be there at 22 because several teams are very interested in him including the Chargers who see him as a perfect heir to Phillip Rivers because of how quick he makes decisions and can operate a rhythm passing game similar to what they like to run.
You said something about loyalty but I had no idea what you were referring to. Maybe I have a bad memory about that issue but I completely don't remember us talking about that kind of issue. Sorry ^^
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Hey Razor, I'll always listen to what you have to say regarding qb's after your hardcore pimping of JG. But, Dang man focus in. Romeo gave you a one to five criteria and you respond on a scale of ten. I can divide by two, but it makes me think that you aren't really putting any thought into the questions, rather you're listening to your own voice. Also, I would like to see some examples of him looking off the safety and using a pump fake if you wouldn't mind.
I appreciate that you enjoy some of the things I say =)
I don't really like 5 point scales because you're dealing with 20% blocks vs 10% with a 10 point scale. I also didn't compare to other QBs but instead went into detail about just Mason. None of that is in disrespect to Edromeo. I just figure he already has evaluated the other QBs as it is so I figured I would give him my thoughts on why I like Mason which is what I think he mostly wanted.
I mean let's face it if your reading this thread at all it's because I decided to make a case for Mason since you won't hear about him anywhere else and I prefer detail over generic statements whenever possible. Vers and Ed both do pretty excellent QB evals along with Bone when he feels up to it. I don't always agree with them but I still respect their opinions on the matter though.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Loyalty I had asked you if or I should say when another team takes Rudolf are you going to follow that team instead of the Browns...and as I said it wasn't an intended insult I was just curious cause of your heart set on Rudolf.
Best in this draft, sorry you put your good cred out there like that, I agree it ain't no popularity contest but Rudolf is not close to being the best in this draft. I find him eerily close to Weeden.
jmho
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Hey Razor, I'll always listen to what you have to say regarding qb's after your hardcore pimping of JG. But, Dang man focus in. Romeo gave you a one to five criteria and you respond on a scale of ten. I can divide by two, but it makes me think that you aren't really putting any thought into the questions, rather you're listening to your own voice. Also, I would like to see some examples of him looking off the safety and using a pump fake if you wouldn't mind.
I appreciate that you enjoy some of the things I say =)
I don't really like 5 point scales because you're dealing with 20% blocks vs 10% with a 10 point scale. I also didn't compare to other QBs but instead went into detail about just Mason. None of that is in disrespect to Edromeo. I just figure he already has evaluated the other QBs as it is so I figured I would give him my thoughts on why I like Mason which is what I think he mostly wanted.
Well not really; and I would never have said anything IF you didn't bring it up. But, I was trying to ask specific questions to put a fine focus on one (or a couple/few) aspects at a time. But its all good, i realize this is football message board and not a group scouting session so people are going to do what they want.
I still haven't put in the work on Rudolph yet...i'm not sure i'll even have the time.
Loyalty I had asked you if or I should say when another team takes Rudolf are you going to follow that team instead of the Browns...and as I said it wasn't an intended insult I was just curious cause of your heart set on Rudolf.
Best in this draft, sorry you put your good cred out there like that, I agree it ain't no popularity contest but Rudolf is not close to being the best in this draft. I find him eerily close to Weeden.
jmho
Loyalty - I can't change the fact I was born in Amherst, Ohio. The only reason I care about the Browns is that they represent where my roots are from. Other than that, they haven't done a thing to earn ANYONE'S loyalty. I can't even have my kids grow up watching them because they suck so bad that even my 9 year old shakes her head at me for being stupid enough to watch them lose and lose and lose.
Still here I am. Suffering along with the rest of us fool enough to believe they will ever become something. The only team I watch are the Browns on Sundays. I just watch the highlights on players I like once they leave the Browns. Jimmy G. is one among many and Mason will be another one. I just wish for once the Browns would listen to my heart and have a sane draft once in a while.
Mason is nothing like Weeden. NOTHING like him and yet you keep dropping that like it means something. The only thing it means when you say something like that is that you haven't spent any time watching him play. Their playstyles have no similarity at all and Mason is WAY more football intelligent.
Your free to have a different opinion on who the best QB is but please stop with the Weeden nonsense. I was one who evaluated Weeden and didn't want him because he was too slow in his decision making to make it in the NFL. Allen is far more like Weeden that Mason will ever be.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Well you asked if there was an arm strength issue and I said there isn't but rather a footwork issue. I even said what that issue was.
Instead of just giving a generic answer that most would not understand because they haven't watch Mason I gave an in depth one so they could learn a little more about him since no one else is going to.
People are just being told to love who the media loves and pick a favorite. I have never done that. I watch them all till I see something that stands out with the things I look for and then I focus in to learn more. I started the thread(the original one not this one) about Mason to discuss Mason because no one was talking about him. I had the same issues with Jimmy G. and Derek Carr.
Ah well, I'm sure we will end up with someone I don't like at QB just like we always do so who cares anyways. Just another Browns year.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
...Instead of just giving a generic answer that most would not understand because they haven't watch Mason I gave an in depth one so they could learn a little more about him since no one else is going to.
Like I said before you do you. It doesn't matter to me how or if people respond to my questions. Its an sports message board my i know how it goes.
Its not a big deal, remember i'm not the one that even mentioned it...you did.
But since you did mention it, lol, you don't get to speak for me.
Originally Posted By: Razor
I figured I would give him my thoughts on why I like Mason which is what I think he mostly wanted.
Its not what I mostly wanted....but again its no worries in my book.
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Well you asked if there was an arm strength issue and I said there isn't but rather a footwork issue. I even said what that issue was.
I actually didn't get around to responding to this part because there was so much else.....
But, to me your description here:
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
His only real weakness is that sometimes he opens his hips too soon and doesn't plant his feet right and it makes the ball sail or die on him sometimes.
Speaks to an arm strength issue. The same arm strength, specifically velocity, that i saw from his combine and pro-day throwing sessions.
Also, I would like to see some examples of him looking off the safety and using a pump fake if you wouldn't mind.
Wasn't ignoring this part was just too busy to get to it right away. Boiler Room does some good video discussions. I don't always agree with their assessments but they always have some nice video breakdowns so here is the one they did on Mason.
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Thanks Razor. There are definitely some things to like about Rudolph. Big bodied and can definitely huck it and chuck it; everybody likes a qb that can throw the bomb. I do think he gets a little too much air under those deep balls at times. He definitely had receivers who could win downfield (especially Ateman, I really like him), but NFL safeties salivate over hangtime.
Based on the vids, it looks like he does a good job assessing defensive look and identifying pressure presnap to give himself a leg up as the play begins to develop. I like how he held the defender to get him to break in the out before going over top for the deep post. However, it seems that postsnap, when the D doesn't jive with his presnap assessment or he doesn't trust what he sees the ball gets held a little too long and he gets a little discombobulated. I don't want to generalize too much as you've certainly watched him a lot more than me, but in the short to intermediate game is he more of a rhythm passer to keep his mechanics in check?
If this draft didn't have Josh Rosen in it, I would say there's a lot for Hue and Haley to work with.
I actually prefer to see that arc to a long pass than when they throw it on a rope. It's much easier to intercept the ball when it's thrown on the rope because the defender just has to step in between. When it's dropped down over the shoulder like that they have no way to stop it. They might have a chance to break it up but they have no ability to intercept it. It's way harder to drop it down from above because you have to be able to do some instant math that is hard to do. When you just throw on a rope it's very little mental work. It's just see target and throw as hard as you can. That arc is a big reason Mason has double the deep ball accuracy of anyone in the draft.
Over all Mason is one of the fastest QBs to get rid of the ball. I mean he is close to Jimmy G. speed in making his decision to get rid of the ball. When they blanket the left side on short to medium passes it can mess up his hot reads though because he is a timing passer in the short game.
I don't think he trusts his receivers to catch it when he throws hard. When I watched his games I saw that whenever he throws it real hard and with velocity that his receivers started to drop the ball a lot more. So I think he learned to take the heat off the ball so make it more catchable. I've seen him put some real heat on the ball when he gets caught up in the moment and just lets it rip. At least it seems like he is working hard to have touch on his passes to me.
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