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I realize that I am opening up myself to a ton of insults from both sides, but I'm good w/that because I am so frustrated w/the bias from both "sides."

I was a democrat for years. I supported liberal ideologies. I considered myself a working man from a working man's family. I despised the negative labels by pigs like Rush Limbaugh. Liberals became a dirty word. Look up the word in the dictionary and try and assign a negative label to it. The term eventually got shortened to "libs," and I always believed that the short-sighted label spoke more to the accuser than the labeled.

Things changed. Democrats and liberals changed. Instead of being the grounded folks who stood strong in the face of ignorant and hateful attacks, they adopted the same philosophies of those they despised. I find this very depressing.

I'm an older dude and I tried to counsel some of the younger guys whose intelligence I respect, but it didn't work. That bothers me a bit, because I remember when I was younger and how much I relied no the counsel of guys who had more experience than me. I feel that some of our younger posters think they know all the answers and they disrespect the wisdom of those who have seen more than they have. Man, I want to go on w/this, but it's another discussion and I might bring it up in another venue.

Moving on, I will say that I find all the negative Trump threads extremely annoying. I also don't like the term "Cons." My kids and I were sitting out by the pool today and I brought up CHS' thread about Cons not understanding art and how I was confused because I thought the term "cons" was about people who were incarcerated. They picked up on it half way through and thought the term was ignorant, just as we all think the term "libs" is lame.

I see certain posters posting article after article bashing Trump and slamming "Cons" over and over. These posters disgust me as much as the those who slam liberals.

And this leads me to want to feel sorry for Donald Trump.

But, the dude opens his mouth and despite me wanting to defend him..........I just can't because he comes across as a bullying tyrant.

Where does that leave folks like me?

We're in a bad spot because we don't care for either "side."

Our hope is that folks work together to make our country a better place where we can tolerate differences and work cooperatively to come to a productive compromise that will benefit as many Americans as possible.

There is an old saying and it might seem to be a cliche, but I'll throw it out there anyways"

"United we stand, divided we fall.

I understand that almost everyone will not listen to the lyrics of this song, but I'm going to throw it out there just in case there are couple who want to explore and evolve.

i dunno what you're talking about

the majority of the country is united in disliking trump.

Nice post.

See the post right above to see what the problem is.

i didnt say anything that was wrong.

Okay. I will try to simplify it by using this quote:

All the dogma driven, hate filled, partisan nonsense has torn the country apart. And of course it's impossible to understand the questions when you have all the answers.

Pre-2016 I was more of a liberal leaning centrist. I always felt more like a live and let live kind of guy. I know I get a bad rap on here for pouring on the anti Trump posts hot and heavy but I really don't care.

2016 exploited the divides and rocked the country like no other time in my life. I personally think the country has lost its damn mind and I don't care who that offends.

We all want for simpler times when the world made more sense and I get that. I also get that the Trump side thinks they saved the Country, I don't get that logic but I get why they think this.

Maybe it was Bernie that drug me left or Hillary that drove me left but Trump makes sure I stay there every damn day. So I will continue to call it how I see it, post everything I think is relevant to my argument, and just keep being me while all of you do you.

Wanting people to change because they make you uncomfortable or don't think like you is what is truly ugly. Expecting people to get along for the sake of getting along is unrealistic, especially when our leaders make zero effort to do the same.

I'm reminded of the old saying; If You Don’t Stand for Something, You’ll Fall for Anything... Never Again.

This is what I am talking about. It's about "sides." Your side and 40s sides both are part of the problem

Work together and please stop trying to divide our nation more than it already is.

I have no idea how people do not understand that working together is more productive than furthering the divides between groups of people.

See there's you problem Vers. You think that others should want that because you want that. I have no problem standing out here far left all by myself because I'll die before i move an inch toward Trump. I have my values, you have yours.

My intent was not really about Trump, but I do find your post rather revealing. I always liked you, but your position saddens me because I am disappointed that one would choose to not try to work w/others for the greater good of all.

First, I'm still the same guy. I care about everybody on this board, even the people i don't always get along with. Outside of this part of the board i try to keep politics out of the conversation as much as I can.

However, standing down from my principles is not an option for me. I personally think Trump is about a step away from ending democracy here, and I'm not going to 'work with or through that' with anyone who won't budge from supporting him. I'm kind of saddened that you don't get that.

Bro, you are completely misunderstanding the intent of this thread.

I dind't think my intent would be understood, but I was simply hoping that it would.

I just don't see how people think that working cooperatively is a bad thing.

cooperate with what?

the same people who thought our first black president was a foreign born muslim?

the same people who BRAGGED - i repeat -BRAGGED about having control of every aspect of government that they didn't need to cooperate with the other side whatsoever?

"hey swish, i know trump supporters post from alt-right websites, support slave owning heritage and called our first black president kenyan muslim and demanded to see his birth certificate, but you still need to find a way to work with people who have no interest in working with you".

you got a better chance of me saying i trust law enforcement.

Yeah, we all thought that Obama was going to turn us into a socialist nightmare but we survived that and it wasn't nearly as bad as we all thought it was going to be.

The only reason we won't survive this is if people like you and 40 don't recognize that you're the main things driving the divide.

Kinda like Russia wants. They played/are playing both sides and are creating the divide by remote control.

If you could see your way to not insulting those of us with a different political view point while staying true to your principles that would go a long way towards healing the divide.

You might want to unwind the knot in your head if you think that's what conservatives think. At least, most.

Until then.........

I get what you are saying, I just don't think it's entirely reasonable. Here's why:

For me to move back toward the center and work to fix things, I have to concede my stance on Trump. For a Trump supporter to move center, they have to admit their mistake or at least move away from Trump... Are you starting to see the issue?

I think it's an absolute waste of my time to come in here everyday and even talk to the guys on the right. You can't change their minds, you can't reason with them, you can't act like an educated well grounded person, you just have to chest thump or not show up at all.

The sad part is that it's not just in here, it's everywhere. Now in real life you can be more considerate but that doesn't really change minds and win hearts either.

So the choice is to tuck tail and let go of my beliefs or stay put and ride it out. Nobody is ever going to accuse me of walking away from the most complicated moment in American politics. I won't stand idly by and watch all I care about ruined for the like of Trump, not without a fight.

Louie Farrakhan is that you?

I usually only go for the jugular when insulted myself Ted, and i don't really care who you are when that happens. I don't beef with you or others more center like you that much at all.

You know that thread was satire as well as the term 'Con', right? I don't actually believe that Republicans or people on the right can't grasp Frankenstein or other artistic things. I also started calling people Cons on here because I was tired of reading "lib" and "libtard" on here constantly, so I thought I'd return the favor and shorten the word Conservative for people who see only a duality when it comes to political ideology. I've never seen it used off this site nor have I ever said it off this site. It is purely a joke to poke fun at people who think in that world.

No CHS.............I didn't know that. I don't read this forum all that often and I skip many posts when I do.

I always had high hopes for you and Swish, thus I read your posts.

My bad if you were just making a joke.

You do recall when Obama said that republicans had to 'sit in the back' when he had total control of the government don't you?

You also notice that whenever the left has total control they act the same way that you accuse the right of acting?

You should also notice that your side lost, hell, in the Oval office I think my side lost also because America was tired of Washington lying to them and getting away with it for how many years now?

Is Trump a scumbag? Don't know if he still is, but he sure as hell was. Was he the only guy that could convince enough voters to win the electoral college that he was actually going to get something done? Obviously.

Part of what Vers is getting at is the fact that it used to be We The People against them the elected.

Now it's a Browns vs Ravens level hatred. Both Washington and the media need that from all of us in order to keep us that distracted.

I don't find that to be true. You're regularly condescending and insulting.

Ted, bad-mouthing Dems was not the intent of my thread.
[sigh]

Screw it.

I absolutely know that.

Oh boy. Everyone on this thread needs to put a new tampon in.

(boom.)

Arguing Rep/Dem is virtually arguing different sides of the same coin. Until we understand this it will be increasingly difficult to work on solutions which actually benefit mankind. The simple fact is this: democracy has been subverted. We live in a oligarchic, corporatocratic state. Until we accept that we have been co-opted as a nation, the country will continue on a path of petty bickering over issues that have little bearing on the health and direction of the people as a whole.

We are in the midst of a long game, and as long as we continue to be distracted by inconsequential partisan issues there is no chance for the people to regain any form of power to direct our society to a course beneficial to us all.

As a people, we are little more than tubes of cash, our earnings squeezed from us like so much toothpaste as we continue to fall farther and father behind the economic curve. Bubbling up the wealth of our nation through an economic hierarchy so heavily skewed we all (but for a very select few) feel and suffer from it in some form. Ironically we are fed steady diets of opiates in the form of newer shinier toys, booze, sex, drug, religious and political dogma, and mind numbing entertainment designed to keep us pacified and at odds with one another. All the while encouraged and taught to learn less and less about our histories and how the world really works.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist, but social responsibility is necessary. There must be balance or we will likely be destroyed by extremism. Fanaticism and extremism in any form is a danger to us all. It's time we grew up. It's time to think, to communicate, to put our differences aside and work on solutions to issues that matter. Education, hunger, rampant profiteering, crumbling infrastructure, healthcare, pharmaceutical manipulation, corporate crime and tax evation, misinformation, poisoned food, erosion of our rights, energy, the environment, poverty, communication & relationships, death & disease, privacy, corruption, war mongering for profit, human rights, and so on.

These aren't partisan issues. They're issues we can all agree need addressing, but as long as we're busy playing "who's got the biggest weenie" with our political parties nothing will get done.

I'm sorry you feel that way Ted. I'd love to have intellectual conversations and treat everyone as my equal and my peer, sadly that is not possible in this forum.

I get called elitist when nothing could be further from the truth. I get called libtard, whatever that means. I get drug into confrontation so often it's not funny, even when I'm trying to get along... It's just best for me to apply a little condescension and insult when dealing with those realities. I'm sorry that offends you, knowing you are a more moderate conservative I can see how it does. But you honestly can't blame me for defending myself and lashing out in here now, really?

To be fair, OCD is the most reasonable liberal on this forum who gives credit where credit is due.

Thanks Eve.

Here Vers, this one is for you pal.

To anyone who lived in Manhattan, Trump has been kind of a ubiquitous figure. He was a familiar punchline for years and years, and has taken all of those characteristics with him to Washington:

Impulsive, repulsive and so dumb you've got to see it to believe it.

If you strip away all the politics, and look straight at the personal level, Trump is an incredibly stupid and racist trust fund coward who has absolutely no morals and principles.

I can understand someone seeing him as a useful idiot pawn to be burned up in catching a greater political king, but anyone who has a usefulness or respect for him outside of that is dumb and/or morally bankrupt.

Which is ironic because he's the farthest left. Except for maybe CHS.

But do you all ever reach over to the other side and give some props for something?

NOBODY does that EVER!!! Except for OCD.

How often does anyone on the right except a certain libertarian have anything good to say about the left in here... So props to you too.

See Vers, common ground.

I consider myself a moderate conservative who believes in social responsibility, that a woman's body is her own, that rampant deregulation is wrong for society, that the environment needs protecting, and that healthcare and education should be rights in an economically strong society. Common ground.

I have to also give some props to Pit and DC. They have pretty balanced views. Independents are like that.

j/c:

I should have known better than to start this thread.

I need a tampon? Really? And my bro Clem liked that comment? <<sigh>>

And are people really thinking that I am defending Trump? Did you actually read what I wrote?

And working together towards a common ground instead of hating people on the other side is a bad thing?????

I'm even more depressed that I was before I started this thread.

Vers, mad love bro. I know you mean well and I hope what I'm about to say helps.

This too shall pass.

I actually think having this particular forum is helping with that. This gives us all a place to vent our frustrations with others which we do have something in common making us e-familiar.

I can come in here and unload on 40, Diam, etc. Then be totally cool with them in the other sections. And don't take this wrong but I actually like 40 much better now then when he started posting. In an odd couple sort of way we are friends (He's Felix ).

Honestly some of these guys claim they hate me or they've lost all respect in one post, then in the next they agree with me on something.

At the end of the day, this is a healing process, a process that oddly does bring us together, and possibly the one thing that helps us survive this political insanity.

I will be the first to say I was wrong if Trump is found to be innocent of all allegations and I'm sure some of my conservative and Trumpian friends in here would do the same if evidence shows him guilty.

So don't stress this, don't look at it as a nasty place with mean hearted disputes, look at it as friends working their way through it.

Peace Bro, and feel good about your efforts, they are appreciated even if you don't think it's so.

ahahahaha this coming from the guy who JUST stated he refused to conceded his stance on things....seems like you just pointed out your the problem broham.

Liberals have become pathetic, tyrannical thought police. You're a bad person unless you believe everything that is left. If you think women are women because they have a vagina YOU'RE A BIGGOT! Name calling has become the calling card for the left.

I was a Clinton, union raised, working class democrat. The democratic party has become this pseudo intellectual, snark driven, cry baby fest. Where labeling people has become the cool thing to do, racist, bigot, homophone, you are always some sort of small minded redneck if you disagree with literally anything they purport.

When I say things like Trump usually isn't entirely wrong, he's just an [censored]....I am now a far right nazi convicted of wrong think. I've lost friends over simply not agreeing that it's ok to doxx someone and email their job over online disagreements....these people are of course radical leftist with low paying jobs and miserable lives.

I stand for principles, not soapboxes telling everyone how moral you are.

The left, left me.