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you are always some sort of small minded redneck if you disagree with literally anything they purport.

Arguing Rep/Dem is virtually arguing different sides of the same coin. Until we understand this it will be increasingly difficult to work on solutions which actually benefit mankind. The simple fact is this: democracy has been subverted. We live in a oligarchic, corporatocratic state. Until we accept that we have been co-opted as a nation, the country will continue on a path of petty bickering over issues that have little bearing on the health and direction of the people as a whole.

We are in the midst of a long game, and as long as we continue to be distracted by inconsequential partisan issues there is no chance for the people to regain any form of power to direct our society to a course beneficial to us all.

As a people, we are little more than tubes of cash, our earnings squeezed from us like so much toothpaste as we continue to fall farther and father behind the economic curve. Bubbling up the wealth of our nation through an economic hierarchy so heavily skewed we all (but for a very select few) feel and suffer from it in some form. Ironically we are fed steady diets of opiates in the form of newer shinier toys, booze, sex, drug, religious and political dogma, and mind numbing entertainment designed to keep us pacified and at odds with one another. All the while encouraged and taught to learn less and less about our histories and how the world really works.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist, but social responsibility is necessary. There must be balance or we will likely be destroyed by extremism. Fanaticism and extremism in any form is a danger to us all. It's time we grew up. It's time to think, to communicate, to put our differences aside and work on solutions to issues that matter. Education, hunger, rampant profiteering, crumbling infrastructure, healthcare, pharmaceutical manipulation, corporate crime and tax evation, misinformation, poisoned food, erosion of our rights, energy, the environment, poverty, communication & relationships, death & disease, privacy, corruption, war mongering for profit, human rights, and so on.

These aren't partisan issues. They're issues we can all agree need addressing, but as long as we're busy playing "who's got the biggest weenie" with our political parties nothing will get done.

No CHS.............I didn't know that. I don't read this forum all that often and I skip many posts when I do.

I always had high hopes for you and Swish, thus I read your posts.

My bad if you were just making a joke.

if thats your views on the democratic party, then fine.

but if you allowed people to change your entire belief system and what you value, then ultimately you're the problem.

whatever asshats do or say something stupid doesn't change my liberal viewpoints. you dont see conservatives saying they aren't conservative just because some racist far right guys said something stupid.

you come off as weak and easily influenced by the world around you.

Which is ironic because he's the farthest left. Except for maybe CHS.

But do you all ever reach over to the other side and give some props for something?

NOBODY does that EVER!!! Except for OCD.

if thats your views on the democratic party, then fine.

but if you allowed people to change your entire belief system and what you value, then ultimately you're the problem.

whatever asshats do or say something stupid doesn't change my liberal viewpoints. you dont see conservatives saying they aren't conservative just because some racist far right guys said something stupid.

you come off as weak and easily influenced by the world around you.

and yet you didn't refute a word said.

I need a tampon? Really? And my bro Clem liked that comment?

Like I said before........I should have known better than to start this thread. My apologies.

The fact is, neither party ran a candidate worthy of being president. For people trying to claim they voted for the lesser of two evils, it still means they voted for evil.

Love him or hate him, if Trump goes down as one of the greatest U.S. presidents in history (which of course is what he's shooting for), we all win.

For not caring about my opinion, you sure did write a whole lot.

You can’t even practice what you preach.

[quote]Our hope is that folks work together to make our country a better place where we can tolerate differences and work cooperatively to come to a productive compromise that will benefit as many Americans as possible.

I also think we should be working together instead of furthering the divide.

Do you really believe that he remotely has a shot of doing that? Really?

Snark.

At least you fit the mold of what i described. Keep winning over the masses with your intellectual reasoning Swish.

ahh, outraged suburban women.

Vers,

I don't always agree with what and/or how you post, especially in the Brown's sections, but your post hit a chord with me because I do agree with a lot of what you post and we are close to the same age I think. I like that you attempted to start a civil political/cultural discussion. My remaining comments aren't directed at you specifically , just some thoughts and where I come from.
I am staying late at work ( I am on salary so it isn't costing my company anything)so I don't lose any thoughts on the drive home. Plus I am sure this will end up a disjointed mess of thoughts.

I am the youngest of 9 kids, raised in a vey small town that lacks cultural diversity. My parents were born in 1918 & 20, and were lifelong Roosevelt Democrats. I learned that most wealthy people got their money by ripping others off and did not pay much in taxes. I voted for Mondale & Dukakis because I believed what my parents said. I held the mindset that all people who were unemployed or on public assistance would take a job in a minute if one was available I really think growing up I did not agree completely but could not figure it out.

I had several friends who were conservative and I would argue my views, again not quite sure I truly believed them.

IN my late 20's I was hired by the bank I now work for and it really opened my eyes. before anyone jumps to conclusions or thinks that I change when I started making money I am a retail banker for a small thrift and my wife,. who teaches elementary education has always made more money so that is not it.

I had customers who owed 2-3 back mortgage payments and they would take a weekend in Indy or Columbus (just to get away). That weekend trip costs them more than they owed on the delinquency on the house (their payment was in the $250 range). They told me this not even thinking it was a bad idea, let alone telling the bank they couldn't pay because they took a vacation.

I Had a single mother with 4 kids by 4 different dads who was receiving $500 per kid from SSI and she was in my office complain, talking about she was getting screwed.

My perspective changed quickly. I saw bankruptcies filed to eliminate huge credit card debts knowing the people had just gone on a spending spree fully aware they would not be paying for it. This was late80's early 90s.

I had always thought growing up that the government should as much as it can for people who didn't work. Again ,as I "matured" I wondered if that assistance was actually hurting them. I think the dignity of work is hard to replace.

One of my older sisters had a son out of wedlock and eventually quit her job because she "made more money" on public assistance than working and paying a babysitter. She remained a staunch liberal until the day she died. Her son I know suffered embarrassment in school when he received free lunches and some days he would not eat. Now that sounds awful but it motivated him to work hard and he is a very successful young man with an MBA. I have had many conversations abut what it was like for him to grow up and I always tried to influence his work ethic.

My other sister has been on public assistance for 15-20 years. When the stimulus tax refunds came out a few years ago I was talking her and she received one in the mail, even though she had not worked a job one hour for the past decade. When I mentioned half jokingly that my kids who worked part time during college and high school did not receive a stimulus check she replied "They did not work enough hours". As that soaked into my brain I was pretty sad that she did not even realize the irony of her comment.

Ok enough stories and getting back to Vers' comments, I think social media has a place to play in the divide we live in. It is much easier to ridicule when you don't have to do it to someone's face. The online meanness is truly sad. I doubt any of us would say write of what we do if we had to say it other's faces and discuss it in a civil fashion.

Shortly after President Obama was elected I started getting emails with the false stories that took about 30 seconds to research and find out it was lies. I started reply back telling them to research but eventually just gave up and deleted them.

Just the other day iob FACEBOOK I saw showing a student ID/badge from Columbia with a young Obama's face and the words "Foreign student" on the ID . This was the proof he was not a US citizen. I was going to reply that he should research that but the first reply stated Columbus did not have bar codes on their ids in the early 80s.

I know I wrote a book but my point is neither "side" is correct 100%, we it seems like we just pay attention to what we want to hear. I listen to Rush and Fox news among other outlets for which I get criticized but I feel since I have been on both sides I can filter out the noise.

Anyway, I am sorry this is so long, but good Lord, a little patience, tolerance and respect would go a long way to making politics something people candiscuss again,. Right now it seems like a sewer.

I found 40's theme song. I think it was written by Dr. Seuss. haha.

" The Trump Bump"

I love Trump, yes I do.
I love him more than any of you.
I love him left , I love him right,
I love him every day and night.
You should love Trump, yes you should.
You should love him really good.
Love him good, love him now,
You don't even have to bow.
Let's do this dance, it's called the Trump.
All you do is shake ur rump.
Shake it left, shake it right,
We can do this every night.
Now throw your hands in the air,
We can shout Trump everywhere
Now I love Trump, yes I do.
And Trump loves me and Trump loves you !