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I think this is absolutely true. I am not certain what Sashi would have done with the picks or to improve the team this off season, but the pain we felt over the course of the last 2 seasons was planned and self inflicted.

Like it or not it was the strategy, and now is the time when we push the chips we have been piling up into the middle of the table and get real about winning for the 1st time in 3 years.

I think the people who struggle with this concept are the ones who went all in thinking we would actually win with what we had. Wasn't going to happen.

When the Browns cut Haden last pre season the fix was clearly on. With a solid CB there was a chance we might actually win a game of 2 and Sashi wasn't going to let that happen. I was laughed at for my take on the situation, but 0-16 and several close loses say I was actually right.

Very excited for FA and the draft and for the 1st time in what seems like forever the season to follow, one thing is clear we have felt the pain and then some now we get to the fun part the pain is about to end.

You can't totally absolve Hue for the team's shortcomings last year. Hopefully he puts his arrogance aside and uses last year as a learning experience.

just a small addition.

Well that's how this is all being set up by some of our posters isn't it? Hue takes all of the blame for the past losses but if it gets turned around he'll get none of the credit for the success. People have already written the script.

Thanks. I thought Sam Hinkie said that.

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In '16, #Browns Sashi Brown didn't want to pay the best center in #NFL in A.Mack $9M/yr or top-notch RT Schwartz $6.6M/yr & let them walk. Then paid G Zeitler $12M/yr in '17. Now G Norwell gets $13.3M from #Jags. 1 reason #Browns went backwards last 2 yrs

thanks sashi

Mack and Schwartz didn't want to be here, and it only took him one year to rebuild the OL, so if anything this is an endorsement to Sachi's work

That's how I feel. You can't sign someone to a place they do not wish to be or to a piece of a puzzle they do not wish to partake with. It was the same story with Phil. That guy had pretty much said good bye to Cleveland when being interviewed before actually leaving/moving on.

On a side note since Kevin's name was mentioned, I wasn't OVERLY impressed with the type of $ we gave Zeitler and his play when I watched. Maybe I missed out on the majority of his good/better plays and etc on the games I didn't tune into.

Schwartz wanted to be here. He was engaged to a girl from Cleveland. (who I believe he just married) He only left when Sashi pulled the team's offer off the table, when Schwartz wanted to take a quick look at KC. (where his brother played)

Shon Coleman is not Mitchel Schwartz, and Trotter is not Mack. We replaced the positions, but not the production.

Schwartz was a huge mistake. Mack was out the door two seasons before that off-season.

I agree. Some people are just goofs. No need hashing all that again.

If the plan is to try Coleman at LT ... it seems like Dorsey is channeling Sashi on this one ... ....

Thats a DUMB ASS PLAN ... i really hope thats not it ...

Why would it be a dumbass plan?

Just because he gets a shot there doesn't mean that he has to be the only option there.

Is that a serious question?

Sadly yes it is. Like you I have no idea why it's a serious question, but it is.

well all and all.. i could think of worse plans.... if the guy from pukesburgh is a solid RT it would free up the help we were sending and it could go to the LT position...

Coleman has also said that he has never been comfortable on the reverse side of the OL. (at RT) His footwork is completely backwards, and his hands are backwards. Some guys can only play on one side of the OL. Others can play anywhere. I am OK with them trying Coleman there, while also drafting a kid in the 2-3 round range. (and yes, that might mean trading back into the 3rd)

See, some people base things on feelings, not skill set.

Why waste a pick on a LT wannabe this year?

There's NOBODY.

Save it for next year because we WILL NOT NEED a QB.

See what's coming next year and use our #1 pick if there's one worth it.

NOT this year. These Tackles have no chance on the Left Side.

Most have figured out who the "real" usual suspects are.

Should I be surprised you can't answer the question?

Sadly this appears to be the Browns plan, to play a LT at LT and yet there are people on this board questioning the experts. Very sad indeed.

... ya ... thats it .. i can’t answer the question ... ...

I played LT and when I tried to play on the right side had problems. I had to think about my kick step constantly on the right where it was all muscle memory on the left. When you are thinking about your feet, there is something else that you are losing focus on.

That being said, I have my doubts about Coleman having the scoots to play on the left hand side, but I don't consider myself half the expert that Captain Random Caps and The Penalty Counter purport to be. They are the smartest people in the room when the rest of the family is at church.

I figured that.

I don't know? Joe Thomas seems to think he can play the position, so I consider that. Joe knows something about the position. No?



I am a SEC fan and remember him as being pretty stout at the position while playing at Auburn. Auburn is a pretty good place for a football player to get recruited. They usually field a pretty good team who can beat more than they can't.

Thanks.

Looks good to me, just as I remembered.

j/c

At this point I guess we'll see if it even comes to that. One question that people don't seem to consider. How many LT's in the NCAA never play LT in the NFL? I'll give you a hint. LOTS of them!

Coleman lacks the lateral movement and footwork to be a LT in the NFL. Time will bare that out should we be forced to go that route. I honestly don't believe it's that hard to see but some can only learn from experience.

j/c

This time last year, Drango was entering his 2nd year in the league after playing quite well at LG for most of the year after Bitonio got hurt. Great find by Evil Sashi and Co in Rd 5...BTW. If we knew at this time last year that JT was going to go down for the year..and if we discussed at that time the viability of Drango at LT...this board would have exploded.

Drango was a LT in college and played very well. He 'became' a G here...especially after the Bitonio injury. THEN...the guy went back to his most-comfortable position and played well for a 2nd yr 5th Rd pick after JT went down. While not the answer at LT necessarily...he was no less than serviceable and thrown into the fire.

Now we have another guy who played well at LT in college and played well - or not - at RT in essentially his first year in the league. Now HE will move back to HIS most-comfortable position and give it a go. No reason to think he won't improve.

I forget who said it on here...but it went something like this...'you can't judge a painting after only a few brush strokes'. If that saying doesn't fit Coleman to a "T" (or LT), I don't know where it DOES fit.

That's fine for those willing to ignore the needed skill set at the position. Also, if Drango hadn't been given a lot of help, you would have seen how poorly he played. Some weaknesses can be disguised if you give a guy a lot of help. But not so easily disguised to people who know what to look for.

There's a reason that LT's get elite money. There's a reason why good ones get drafted so high. Because it's a very rare skill set. But fans shouldn't let those facts get in the way of hope.

thats the reson colman play dropped after jt got hurt... had to help the lt instead of rt...

Let me make sure i understand this ...

He couldn’t handle speed rushers at RT ... now hes moving to LT where teams almost always put their BEST SPEED RUSHER ...

And cause of his “uneasiness” at RT even though he had 2 years to work on the footwork .... he's somehow going to do better against better pass rushers cause he’s back at the position he’s used to ...

Does that about sum it up? ...

This HAD to lose something in Diam's translation. Had to.

Doesn't have feet good enough at RT, so move him to LT where technique needs to be pure and constant. A sled needing all kinds of help.

The Browns have won 1 game in 2 years — and they have better Super Bowl 53 odds than 4 teams

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/22/17152086/super-bowl-53-odds-cleveland-browns



It’s been a good offseason for the Cleveland Browns so far. One could even argue the team had the most productive month in the NFL in March.

But it’s still a little jarring to see that four NFL teams — the Miami Dolphins, Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, and New York Jets — have worse odds at winning Super Bowl 53 in the latest line released by Bovada. After all, the Browns have just one win in the Hue Jackson era, which began over 26 months ago.

Cleveland has +6600 (66-to-1) odds at winning the Lombardi Trophy in February on the site. That’s the same chance Bovada is giving Washington, the Arizona Cardinals and Buffalo Bills. The Jets are the extreme long shot at +10000 (100-to-1).

The Browns started March by trading to acquire quarterback Tyrod Taylor, wide receiver Jarvis Landry and defensive back Damarious Randall. Cleveland supplemented those additions by signing running back Carlos Hyde, offensive tackle Chris Hubbard, and cornerback T.J. Carrie in free agency.

While the loss of Joe Thomas to retirement hurts, the Browns still have five picks in the first two rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft — including picks No. 1 and 4 — to keep adding talent.

So it’s a good time to be optimistic about the Browns. But there’s probably better ways to spend your money than place that Super Bowl bet.

No...not summed up completely...and not wrong either. I'm just stating that these guys aren't complete pictures yet. They both were good college players...they were both no-worse-than-serviceable in their second seasons playing out of position as part of a functioning unit that was asked to pass-block too much for a young QB who held the ball too long.

They are both coming into their 3rd year. It's reasonable to believe they may get better. Will it be good enough? We shall see.