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Makes me feel good about this crop of qb's. I've looked at it as Rosen and then a muddle, but maybe it's closer than that. I think the Giants go qb, but this trade looks like Jets are pre-empting chances of a Brown's trade down and stealing Broncos thunder. A lot to risk when two qb's might still go before your pick; they must feel really good about their 3rd rated guy...
...Or they want their pick of best player in draft outside of qb and want to pre-empt us. Who do they think we'll take that they have to jump us for. If your projecting another team's picks, I guess you have to go based off need. We signed Hyde to a pretty big contract and are advertised to be trying to extend the Duke, so I don't think it's Barkley. We took Garret at 1 last year and have other glaring needs, so I don't think it's Chubb. We're trying to create depth in the secondary, but still don't have a marquee player, so I have to assume it could be Fitzpatrick... But dang they drafted a safety top ten last year. Nobody is going to do that back to back. Their line isn't as good as it was in recent years, so I guess it's back to Chubb. The Jets are targeting their 3rd rated qb or Chubb?

Or Fitzpatrick, as purely a corner?

This offseason has been fascinating so far as a UK follower I love it. The deal the jets pulled to move up to No3 in the draft is quite perplexing to me, I'm no expert by all means but if they mean to take a QB they must be confident their guy will be there, maybe they plan on taking Allen or Mayfield? As I see it now we take Darnold at 1, Giants take Rosen or Barkley or trade out to Bills and they take Rosen, Jets take Allen or Mayfield that gives us the potential picks of Barkley, Chubb or Fitzpatrick as potential blue chips. This draft is looking win for us! Go Browns!

the trade w/Seattle is for a conditional 7th ... it's probably a roster condition, meaning he has to make their team

Guessing jets are after Rosen or Allen. If we take Darnold, one of those two will be there.

Rumor had it they liked Rosen and Mayfield .. I think Allen will be the 4th guy off the board because he is the biggest project

I'd say there is little chance after the Jets trade. Not that there was ever a good chance. I started a thread some time back asking if we might do that and take the QB who is left. I suppose we could, but I have cooled on Barkley a bit and like Chubb better. I now think Chubb will be there at 4. We can get him then, or trade down 1-2 slots.

matyfield.. wouldnthave to come up with new offense to make fit... pretty much plug and play

j/c:

I wasn't trying to argue w/anyone about what the Jets did. LOL

I am simply saying that I think what they did was weird as can be. I will go a step further and say that I think it is as dumb.

It is bizarre.

They could easily have traded up, at huge cost, for their 3rd choice at QB. I truly doubt that they have 3 guys as lateral QB 1st picks on their board.

I agree, one explanation could be the had they had a QB in mind they felt they could get at six then Denver didn’t get Cousins. They then felt they had to get ahead of Denver. Do we know if they talked to the Browns for the fourth pick?

I read earlier today that they reached out to us for #1, but the article didn't mention #4. Apparently Buffalo reached out to us for #1 as well (Jets ruined that for Buffalo, it'd take at least 3 first rounders for me to even consider it, and even then it is unlikely).

That would mean that Barkley would be there for us at 4....

That would be a delightful surprise. Delightful.

There are only 2 scenarios that make sense to me.

1. They think that the Giants are going non-QB, and they're good with taking the leftovers with only 1 QB off the board.

2. They know Allen will be there, and he's their target. They've got McCown and Bridgewater, so they have time to take on a high-priced project. They think they can groom Allen to where he'll be near his ceiling when it's time for him to start.

Would you be angry when we draft Ward at 4, even with Barkley available?

I would guess that they called us and the Giants, and were either turned down, or the price was far too high for them, so they worked down the list to #3.

I believe that the Giants will go QB at 2.Eli's not done, but he's close. I suspect that the Giants feel that they won't be drafting this high again, (for a while, anyway) so they want to get one of the best QBs in a very good QB draft.

j/c

I read somewhere a while back that teams usually have a fairly good idea what other teams are going to do in the 1st rnd of the draft, bar any last minute trades, so my guess is that Jets have an idea of who we are taking at #1 and who the Giants are taking at #2 and felt they needed to either get ahead of Denver to get their guy or that they had to make the trade to keep someone else from moving up to get that player.

LOL I'm not going to be mad at anything. Dorsey is new to us, so he gets a honeymoon.

You know, you bring up an interesting point. What if the jets traded up to get Barkley because they thought he'd be gone by 6. What if?

Then I would consider them to be morons. lol

haha, yeah that would be pretty ironic ... and dumb

I can understand that logic for sure. That'd mean they don't think that Davis Webb (drafted last year, 3rd round I think) is a viable starter when Eli is done. Quite possible.

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Probably not, but they have 3 QB's they think are the cream over the other QB's and they wanted to get in to a position where they could get one of them. Now they don't have to sweat it out and try for a draft day trade where the price would probably go higher. Now they can spend more time looking at the other draft picks they have since they know they are going to get one of the three QB's.

personally I would agree, but with guys like Kiper mocking Allen to the Browns and raving about his upside .. makes me wonder

I don't know the names of who they like, but i agree. That is my point.

You know, I listen to that guy's podcast with McShay and I watch his interviews on television.

I'm surprised he has a job. It has to be the hair or something. McShay, I can understand. But Kiper, honestly, he's just not impressive. Especially compared to some of the NFL guys like Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Or Mike Mayock


The only thing I worry about is inside information that possibly Kiper is getting. Cause otherwise, I feel like he's not worth paying any attention to. Just a long-time hold over who was doing the job when no one else was (evaluating the NFL draft closely), and probably still doing it poorly

So would I, but given their recent history, It may not be inconceivable.

But generally I agree, the first three spots go to QB's.. And that would leave Barkley for us to take if we wanted him at 4 or for sure someone will want him bad enough to give up a good bit.

I have one question left, which QB are we taking?

Which QB? That's anyone's guess at this juncture. We all have our favorites, but in all honestly, they haven't tipped their hand.

I would so love it if the Giants traded down with Denver and Denver went QB. Giants would still get an o-lineman or great defensive player. Almost whoever they want.

Unless, of course, we passed on Barkley and the Giants got to grab him at friggin' 5.

With so many different avenues to take, it should be rarely easy for them to keep their intentions under the carpet up until the draft.

I would prefer that the Bills traded the Giants to pick that QB. Dorsey could then call Elway and let him know that it will cost him an arm and a leg to trade up 1 spot in the draft and he better be quick about it because he has a few other teams interested in the pick on the other line.

Yeah trading away our best chance to draft our franchise QB sounds like true brilliance.

That does sound better. LOL

Yeah. I never paid too mcuh attention to him. He'd do his little short thing on ESPN and go over the guys when they were drafted, but lately I've been getting a lot more information on the draft and Browns.

Rather than listening to music and the news on the satellite radio while i'm out in the middle of the ocean/gulf of mexico, i've been listening to podcasts.

I'm just surprised he has a job. He's really not that sharp, and he's become a bit of a joke.

Then I listen to the Moving The Sticks Guys (Daniel Jeremiah/Bucky Brooks) and my other podcasts (which often feature interviews from guys like Greg Cossell, Mike Mayock, and such) and I'm just not impressed with the guy at all. Todd McShay seems pretty good though.




The podcasts are pretty good if you're going for a drive or working out or doing a mindless thing at work like making sure you're on course in the middle of the Gulf Of Mexico. The Cleveland Browns Daily with Nathan Zegura and Matt Wilhelm is good. Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe's Podcast (Orange And Brown Report) is good. Nate Ulrich's Podcast with some random guy from the Akron Beacon Journal is very good (I like Nate Ulrich a lot). And I even like that guy who hates Hue Jackson. Dan Something from Cleveland.Com. He's always pissed off it seems like, but, it's interesting stuff. Even the little snip-its from ESPN Cleveland's shows are good. Although, often not very informative. Tony Grossi's Regular Podcast you have to pay for. I aint doing that

Oh, and hte Thomahawk Podcast is pretty good too. Just a fun interesting listen with some good guests

At the end of the day after all the dust settles.
I give about a 75% chance we pick qb1.
The other 25% is hinges on the giants not trading out of two before. I think the browns/giants have a contingent agreement if browns trade out of 1 The browns and giants trade 2&4. Just something I see a reasonable chance of happening.
No matter what I only see a slim chance we pick a player @4

j/c..

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Another blockbuster trade: Giants trading DE Jason Pierre-Paul and a 2018 fourth-round pick to Buccaneers for a 2018 third-round pick and a fourth-round pick, source tells ESPN.

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Now that the Giants have traded Jason Pierre-Paul to the Buccaneers, maybe they consider Bradley Chubb at No. 2.

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