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The only place I move down to is #5 or #6, and I need a healthy return to even do that.

We have moved down enough, it's time we move ahead, and upward.

If Saquan is gone at 4 and not a Brown then I am fine with trading down with Buffalo for their first round picks. Pick 12 can still be a great pick to have.

It may go against better judgement, if the "best" player in the draft has "bark" in his name,

Shouldn't we take him at #4 ?

If we did move out of #4 I'd love us to pick up Josh Jackson and Guice with the Bills picks.

Jackson is someone I'd like as well. I also see us targeting a RB with that 2nd round

I tend to agree...it just depends on 2 things.

The first is how many players do we have rated as "elite" players? We know a few QB's are going to get drafted, so can you drop to 5-6? 7-8?

The second is how many players do you have rated as true 1st round value? No doubt there are 32 players taken in the first round, but in any given year you might only have a true 1st round grade on 20 or so. If we can place a true 1st round grade on 22 players, the trading down with buffalo comes in to play. If now, trading with the Bills starts to lose value.

One thing I do know is that with all the FA pick-ups and trades we made, every guy we draft probably won't make the team.

Well, they might due to the FO change. You know, out with the other guys players, in with yours, even if it is simply switching one marginal player with a new marginal player.

It makes a lot of sense to get as many "elite" or high rated true first rounders and not simply flip flop players of marginal status.

That's what I was initially talking about.

What 2 players outweigh the loss of Barkley, Chubb or Fitz.

Jackson CB and Guice?

Ridley and Alexander CB with RB in 2?

THIS is what Dorsey needs to weigh.

At this point I wouldn't rule out anything in the way of trades I think Dorsey gets that.

The goal IMO has to be to come away with 2 blue chip players, who will bring the game altering scenario. My dream if you will is we get 3, don't laugh I think we could.

If the Browns for instance are comfortable with SD or JA and the Giants make a sizable offer to move up one spot, I do the deal. The key here is do they think both or either will be franchise material. At this point I think the Giants likely feel pretty comfortable with either selection so IMO a deal is unlikely and I don't see the Brown's moving almost no matter what.

That takes us to the #4 pick with 4 potential franchise QB's up for grabs this is the last opportunity to get one of them for a host of teams. Miami, Denver, certainly Buffalo.

I wouldn't do a deal with Buffalo simply because I want players outside of a QB from the very top of the draft 12 and 22 will be to late IMO. But that doesn't mean that Buffalo couldn't do a deal with Indy, or Tampa Bay, then deal up with us, remember they have a ton of picks to throw around and if their hell bent to get one of these QB's they just might?

I try to work a deal with Denver only going back one spot is my preferred choice, if Denver shows an interest that can only mean one thing I may throw our 1st next year and 2 or maybe even all three of our 2nds and or whatever Denver offers up to move up 1 spot at Indy to move into the #5 and #6 spots and take Chubb and Barkley.

Anyway this goes the Browns will not be in this spot next year our 1st next year will be at best be a mid 12-20 pick so I would gladly trade off the 1st next year for a shot at a top 10 player this year.

Man I have kicked this around a lot I want Chubb and I want Barkley and of course the best QB in the draft, and I think we can get that done I really do.

If left with the choice of Barkley or Chubb, I have to take Chubb elite pass rushers are near impossible to find, and while I understand the gap between Barkley and the rest of the backs its not as momentous as the gap between pass rushers.

I would add that this pick will make Garret pay even larger dividends and at the same time make it so Chubb pays off as well. Its a no brain er IMO you take the elite pass rusher, and don't look back.

In one short month will find out, but man this is the draft that absolutely will change the Browns fortunes, FINALLY ah?

This assumes any of those players will be there. You can't just say I'll take Fitz & Ridley (for example). If you trade down you run the risk of losing the player(s) you covet and you're basically saying I'll take two players who are left when I get there instead of the potential game changer I really want. Not saying it won't happen or that we can't get two good players but the draft is hit or miss enough as it is so why risk missing out on the player that is graded highest and is closer to being a sure thing/potential 8-10 year starter?

They're saying this draft has only about 20 player worth a first round grade as is (depending on the teams' boards). We've drafted enough first round busts to know we could easily lose out on a trade like that. I hope we stay at 4 and take Chubb, Barkley or Fitz.

JMHO

Don't know. Is that how we ended up with "Bark"evious Mingo at 6?

No team would want to give up what I would be asking for the 4th pick. The best player in the draft is going to probably be available. It would cost them dearly.

There are no amount of draft picks they could offer if Barkley is there at #4. That card turn in would be instant.

If any GM gave up what I was asking I’m pretty sure it would get them fired!!

I would die of windburn, terminal third degree, turning that card in. Still trying to convince myself that it is even plausible, much less possible.

Look at what Dorsey has done in free agency this off season. He solidified Qb, Wr, Rb, O-line depth, Cb and S with solid vets. There are no giant holes on this team, except perhaps LT.

He has set up up to draft the best players that will have the biggest impact on this team regardless of position. I think he will stay at or close to it (maybe drop 1_2 spots) andd take the player with the most talent and perceived impact for this team.

Was it that or Banner/Lombardi using their logic of, ‘well his name sounds like a dawg’?

Stand and deliver!

I agree. A nice little trade down with Denver would be great. I dunno if they'll bite though. They gotta know that, to us, being able to pick our first non-qb would have its appeal verses a big trade down with Buffalo.

Is what it is.



Honestly, Buffalo can probably get a good QB at 12 with Lamar Jackson or even Mason Rudolph.

Although, I'd definitely take Jackson ahead of Rudolph. He's an intriguing pick. Not the guy I want, because I want our QB at 1. But Lamar Jackson is an NFL QB and further along than he gets credit for.

A lot of folks, probably myself included, have given the perception that some of the later guys in our rankings are bad picks. Don't think they're bad picks, just a few levels below (and therefore not the ones for us, as i'm terrified of screwing this up).

This is a deep draft class. Jackson and Rudolph stand a chance to be decent NFL QBs. Although I'd take Jackson before Rudolph any day of the week. In the right situation, if Jackson can protect himself out there, he'll be an exciting player to watch. And he'll win football games.

lol, well hopefully they aren't reading this message board. Cause we seem to have it all figured out, and we want to trade down with them only, but want them to think that we're willing to trade down with someone else also

I think you 2 are missing something here Buffalo is on the move get them to come up to say Indy or the Bucks then use that for leverage on Denver.

Just let Buffalo know we can't swing a deal and go back so far in the draft which means they need to work their way up the board without our help. I feel certain Buffalo is talking to everyone who has a spot they would covet, the Browns hold the key Buffalo knows that. I sure hope their listening can't wait until we have our QB in place and #4 is on the clock!

If we take a QB at #1 and that is an IF and Saquan is there at #4 there is no trade that justifies not taking him. I mean just drafting our future QB and stud HB is a perfect draft and I don't even care what else happens in the draft because it's just pure gravy after that point.

lol. I dunno man. I think QBs are going 1,2,3. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Bradley Chubb goes to us at 4 (or we trade down)

I'm all for Barkley FYI. He's who I want at 4. But I certainly don't expect it. I'd be willing to bet if we don't trade down, and it's between Chubb and Barkley, we go Chubb.

Even if Chubb's gone, there's a good chance we go Minkah Fitzpatrick.

So prepare yourself

If chub is there that's my pick,,, either way I think it's gonna be hard to screw it up if we stay put

There are so many crazy scenarios right now. The thing is I can see it playing aout a lot of different ways and be justified in doing so.

For instance, we could be baiting the giants to move up to 1 so they will take darnold. We get say a 2nd round pick to exchange picks when they didn't want Darnold anyways. Now the Bills want Rosen and the Browns are scared of his injury history or maybe something got flagged with whatever. So we take their first picks this year and next. Pick 3 is probably Mayfield.

QBs 123 like you said. Browns are happy to have Tyrod as their starter and surprise all of us. That includes me. We now have 3 first round picks this year and 2-3 first round picks next year.

Pick #4 We take Barkly

We then take 2-4 second round picks and swap our 22 pick for denver's 5th pick. We take Chubs. At 12 we draft Mason just ahead of the Chargers who want him. denver only did the trade because the QBs are already gone and they can take Lamar or Allen at 22 before the Steelers get to pick.

That is my draft day crazy scenario.

I think we end up with Darnold at 1 and Barkley at 4.

1 is Darnold
2 is Rosen
3 is Mayfield
4 is Saquan

IF Giants take Saquan then Bills and Denver fight it out for pick 4 as team fight to get either Rosen or Mayfield. If we take Denver's deal we take Chubs at 5. If we take buffalo's deal we take a CB, Vea, or the ND guard at 12.

It could be a very interesting Day.

Sorry about last night. Didn't mean to rag on your opinion. We'll I DID but I shouldn't. Lol.

This is CRAZY stuff this year. Soooo many possibilities, it's insane.

Peeps need to stay awake for the ENTIRE first round. With what we have in round 2 it would not surprise me in the least if we end up in the first round again to get that 5th year option on someone we have Top 20 ranked.

I'd be okay with going Darnold at 1 and then trading back (no further than Buffalo) if we can get a good haul ... as long as we're targeting secondary guys (Fitzpatrick or Ward)

its cool we all get a bit hot sometimes myself included

Buffalo has pick #12 right?
Let's say that 5 Qb's go before then as does Barkley, Chubb, Minkah ,Ward and Nelson.

That is a list of 10 players. Who are the next 2 that you would be satisfied getting?

We've heard for years about a lack of impact players and now we have our chance. If we trade out and a good distance down I don't want to hear a thing about impact players again! I realize there are decent players at lower picks but not very often does the chance to have two of the top four setting in your lap present itself.

Personally, I would prefer to trade back and then attempt to trade up to picks 7-10 to get one of the ones listed. However, if we did trade back and had no takers, the names I like in the 12 and 22 spots are as follows:

Maurice Hurst - The exact type of rushing, slicing, penetrating big man that Williams loves. He was diagnosed with a heart condition at the combine. Assuming he checks out, I would happily take him at 12! Before the heart condition he was being projected as a top 7 pick.

Harold Landry - May be a better pure pass rusher than Chubb. He had a stellar 2016, but 2017 was hampered with injuries.

Derwin James - Possibly the best overall athlete in the draft. Again, injuries hurt his stock, but if you give a guy like this to Gregg Williams, you just let him create!

Mike McGlinchey or Connor Williams - These two guys will be starting left tackles for years to come. They both have concerns and things they will have to prove with time. That is the only reason they are not projected in the top 10. Both are fantastic athletes, and will likely have long successful careers.

But this is assuming these are the 10 players taken. There are always surprises and slips. Jonathon Allen was said to be a top 3 LOCK last year, and the great debate was whether we should draft him at 1 instead of Garrett. He fell all the way to pick 17. So, 12 is not the worst spot to be. No, you do not have the buffet of choices you have at 4, but the added bonus of 22 plus either a 2nd rounder or 1st next year may make the pot too sweet to pass.

I’m with u ... im very comfie with the Donks at 5 ... other than that ... i’d Pass .....

If i did do something .... id be comfie going as far down as the bears at 8 ... thats about it ... we can get one of Ward, Fitz or James there ... but i’d rather stay at 4 or go to 5 ...

Thats really it ... just like at 1 ... GET OUR GUY ... dont get cute ...

Franchise QB hopefully and a major difference maker .... LETS GOOOOO ....

Derwin James for sure. The OT McClintchy (SP) ... that's worst case scenario obv.

Well played

lol, I really don't wanna move down that far.

We've got our choice of guys at the top of the draft. I'd like Saquon Barkley. But Chubb or Fitzpatrick would be great too.

I want an elite player. I don't want to move down, then try to move up or whatever.

Give me an elite guy.

Who I want, Barkley. It's too risky hoping to trade back up to get Guice (the only other RB I see as much of a difference maker to us). Give me Barkley. Let's get the offense some more firepower, and start making things exciting around here.

Bring back hte "Run Willie Run" rookie year, lol

Let's look at last years class.

#4 draft pick, Leonard Fournette - 268 rushes for 1040 yards. 3.9 yards per carry. 9td's.

#86 draft pick, Kareem Hunt - 272 rushes for 1327 yards. 4.9 yards per carry. 8td's.

When you add in his receiving stats he accumulated over 1700 yards and three more TD's.