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We didn't sign Pryor or Hurns?

Not happy about that. $75 mil in cap. If we had to go higher to get a guy to upgrade the team, why not?

So now the draft.

Ridley will be gone. Who could we be looking at in the top of the second round? And who would the best guy to fit into where we are at receiver?

I have seen a little of Kirk and DJ Chark.

Here is Bucky Brooks top five receivers:

1. Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
3. James Washington, Oklahoma State
4. Courtland Sutton, SMU
5. Deon Cain, Clemson

Some are big on DJ Moore.

I would think we will go after a receiver.

So let's hear it.

Pimp some receivers.

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D.J. Moore is my favorite WR after Ridley, being a Big Ten fan I saw quite a bit of Maryland and this guy is as tough as they come, he reminds me of Steve Smith Sr. from Carolina-Baltimore ...

D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland Height: 6-0. Weight: 210. 40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round (2018): 2-3.

3/10/18: In 2017, Moore totaled 80 receptions for 1,033 yards and eight touchdowns. He has a thick, running back-like build. As a junior, Moore had 41 catches for 637 yards and six scores. Moore is a strong, physical receiver who has some quickness and plays with an aggressive competitive spirit. Multiple teams tell me they are projecting Moore to the second round of the 2018 NFL Draft.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php#ixzz5An7Ep19p


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And Remember Moore played for a Maryland Team that Went Through 4-5 QB's ...


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Equanimeous St. Brown is intriguing to me. He is 6'5 and ran a 4.48 40. Production could have been better but in his defense he played for Notre Dame, a team with poor QB play. I think he might be there with our last 2nd round pick.


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I have no receivers to pimp.
I think that whole mindset is counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk.

But will gladly talk receiver skillset.

Some receivers to add to your list available at various points in the draft:

Michael Gallup
DJ Chark
EQ St.Brown
Deon Cain
Jordan Lasley
DaeShawn Hamilton
Anthony Miller

and a late round guy I really like is a lil fella Keke Coutee

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Originally Posted By: bonefish
We didn't sign Pryor or Hurns?

Not happy about that. $75 mil in cap. If we had to go higher to get a guy to upgrade the team, why not?

So now the draft.

Ridley will be gone. Who could we be looking at in the top of the second round? And who would the best guy to fit into where we are at receiver?

I have seen a little of Kirk and DJ Chark.

Here is Bucky Brooks top five receivers:

1. Calvin Ridley, Alabama
2. Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
3. James Washington, Oklahoma State
4. Courtland Sutton, SMU
5. Deon Cain, Clemson

Some are big on DJ Moore.

I would think we will go after a receiver.

So let's hear it.

Pimp some receivers.
DJ Chark showed me something at the Senior Bowl. He followed that up with the fastest 40 time at the combine. I haven't watched his tape, and others have mentioned drops, but what I have seen has been electric.

I like ESB's size/speed. Again, I haven't watched tape, but he played with some spotty QB's, so his tape might not be indicative of his abilities.


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I haven't heard the drops mentioned in relation to DJ Chark.
I haven't watched a ton but drops didn't seem to be an issue for him.

EQ is height/weight/speed dream of an outside receiver.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
I have no receivers to pimp.
I think that whole mindset is counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk.



How can talking about a player we have watched be counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk???? superconfused


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Question for the thread.

Are people looking for a particular 'type' of receiver? (outside, slot, X/Z)

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I was originally in the James Washington and/or Anthony Miller camps after watching a few games of both of their games this year, they both have the potential to be Hines Ward type guys. But, I've backed off a bit mainly because I'd like either someone that is a burner or has more size (they're about the same as both Landry and Coleman).

I like the idea of Chark, but I'm not convinced of him. LSU QB play seemed poor and they seemed to be more running-centric. Can he run all routes on the route tree or is he a one trick pony? I know he did well at the senior bowl, so maybe he showed he can run all routes. No thanks at 33 or 35.

I like St. Brown's size/speed, but I don't even recall him from the ND games I watched.

I never saw Sutton, but from what I've read of him, I'd be hesitant in the 2nd to draft him. Maybe at 64.

I have a good friend that is a Clemson alum, so I have watched quite a few Clemson games, and I think Deon Cain is underrated. Drops are my biggest concern about him - it seemed to be concentration. He didn't run the whole route tree, which is a concern as well. I'd definitely take him at 64.

Overall, I'm not "in love with" any of the receivers in this draft, beyond Ridley.



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I think we are set with Landry in the slot. Gordon is a huge risk and Coleman has yet to be productive so I'm looking at outside receivers.


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BOTTOM LINE Tall and fast, Chark is a linear route-runner who may need a limited route tree, but who has the potential to back safeties off the line of scrimmage. Chark will be coveted by play-action passing attacks looking to win with chunk plays down the field, but he'll need to improve his ball skills to take advantage of all that speed. Chark could struggle early on against press coverage, but he has the ability to become a solid WR2.
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/d.j.-chark?id=2559915


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Not a fan of EQ ... way to inconsistent ... frail as all hell ... no thanks ..




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thanks. there's certainly value to a burner that has a limited tree...but we have holes to fill and I'd rather use 33/35 for other positions. Looks like he's slated round 1-2, so if he fell to 64, I'd definitely consider him.

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I like DJ Moore, Sutton, and the kid from Bama


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Originally Posted By: clwb419
thanks. there's certainly value to a burner that has a limited tree...but we have holes to fill and I'd rather use 33/35 for other positions. Looks like he's slated round 1-2, so if he fell to 64, I'd definitely consider him.


I posted that because I had just read it before you posted. It is only one man's opinion. At least his hands don't seem to be an issue. I really like that.


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Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
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I have no receivers to pimp.
I think that whole mindset is counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk.
How can talking about a player we have watched be counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk????superconfused
There is nothing to be confused about.
Originally Posted By: edromeo
I have no receivers to pimp.
I think that whole mindset is counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk.

But will gladly talk receiver skillset.

I responded specifically to the comment: "Pimp some receivers."

Pimping a prospect isn't the same thing as talking about a player that you've watched.

I think 'pimping' a prospect mindset is counterproductive to good draft evaluation talk.

Unless you want this thread to be like the QB threads where people 'pimp' their QB and down the other prospects?

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Equanimeous St. Brown is intriguing to me. He is 6'5 and ran a 4.48 40. Production could have been better but in his defense he played for Notre Dame, a team with poor QB play. I think he might be there with our last 2nd round pick.




I agree.

If we picks sooner, Kirk of A&M looks like a can't miss guy.


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Kirk or Moore, please.

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Originally Posted By: Hammer
Kirk or Moore, please.


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I'd like us to draft Equanimeous St. Brown just to hear Doug Dieken try to say his name on the radio broadcasts.

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The mid/late round guy I like is J'Mon Moore from Missouri


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For me I'd hope for one or two from this group:

Kirk
Sutton
Chark
St. Brown
Ateman

Generally I want a big outside guy. I'd take Kirk because he looks like he could be really good. We flip our WR corps from bad to really good with the addition of Landry, the return of Gordon, and one or two of these guys, IMO.


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Originally Posted By: Dave
I'd like us to draft Equanimeous St. Brown just to hear Doug Dieken try to say his name on the radio broadcasts.




My hope is Joe takes over for Diek.

Diek has had a good long ride. It might be time for one LT to hand if off to another.


Maybe do a year with both Diek and Joe in the booth to allow Diek to take his victory lap, so to speak.


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When I evaluate receivers I start with "hands". Catch the gd ball. Just like a quarterback has to be accurate.

I don't care if he runs a 4.2 forty. Can't catch; don't want.

I like great hands. Like Fitzgerald.

Then I look at how do they win?
Do they get separation out of their cuts?

Or, are they more of a size guy who posts up db's and high point the ball.(love that)

You have guys who are physical. Guys who can beat press coverage. Get off the line. Strong hands. Get outta my way guys.

The great ones do it all.

Then you have smart route runners. Guys who find space. Jordy Nelson comes to mind. Guy's who eat up zones.

Then of course you got burners. Stretch the field guys.

I haven't really studied this class but I plan to.

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Joe Thomas didn't lose all that weight to put on radio.

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I like Courtland and Washington because they make good adjustments to the ball and they have nice soft hands. If we traded with the Bill I'd take Mason at 12 and Washington at 22. Those two work great together.


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Joe Thomas didn't lose all that weight to put on radio.




Maybe he did it for his family and health?


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Very rare to find a good value WR in FA. Landry was an excellent pick up but we traded for him.

Not a great draft for WR.


I would think we will go after a receiver.

Go after? I doubt we target a WR. Possibly one will drop to us in the draft somewhere that they would be the BPA at the time and in that case I would guess that we would take them. But I don't see this "NEED" at WR.

Remember we go get another RB whether its Barkley or another. The RB reps would be limited and we are looking to sign Duke long term, He will be a WR for us.

Gordon, Landry, Duke then we have Njoku who will line up as a TE but he will be outside, slot or just along the OT in traditional TE formation. You can call him whatever you want but he's a WR.

Louis and Higgins so far will be additional WRs. Louis gets open to bad he has issues with his hands. Don't know how long he will last.

Yeah I can see us taking a WR hope we pull off a Hill or something like KC did. But I doubt we will see one till the 5th round.

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As much as I hope Gordon stays on task. Not sure.

Coleman has a lot to prove. This year is his last chance with us.

Landry was a big target to land. Bravo.

I was disappointed in not signing Pryor. Mistake in my book.

Louis and Higgins? Borderline.

We should go BPA and that includes receivers.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish
We should go BPA and that includes receivers.


We should sign this guy named Jordan Matthews.

Then we don't need to worry about drafting a receiver for when Coleman goes down or Gordon relapses


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Originally Posted By: PeteyDangerous
Originally Posted By: bonefish
We should go BPA and that includes receivers.


We should sign this guy named Jordan Matthews.

Then we don't need to worry about drafting a receiver for when Coleman goes down or Gordon relapses
i haven't heard about Matthews in awhile. I thought he was hurt?

I thought he was a decent #2-3 receiver when he was healthy.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
We should sign this guy named Jordan Matthews.

Then we don't need to worry about drafting a receiver for when Coleman goes down or Gordon relapses
i haven't heard about Matthews in awhile. I thought he was hurt?

I thought he was a decent #2-3 receiver when he was healthy. [/quote]

Yup. He had some knee injury that finished him on IR last year with the Bills. But he hasn't had surgery or anything.

Guy produces. I wonder why he keeps getting overlooked


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Ridley or DJ Moore for me. Could easily get back into the mid/late first round and snag up one of those if they so pleased.

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I think Ridley is slightly overrated, I also think Sutton and Clark are also slightly overrated.

I really like DJ Moore and Kirk the most.

Anthony Miller is interesting to me but haven’t watched a lot on him.

TreQuan Smith and JaMon Moore are two other guys I like.

A couple bigger receivers who are interesting to me are Alan Lazard and Jaleel Scott.

And I’m not really pimping anybody.

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Just watched some tape.

He is not on Draft Breakdown so I watched some highlights.

What you can see is: he has good hands and is killer at YAC.

Limited tape so hard to tell what kind of route runner he is.

He looks good on 50/50 balls.

Can't tell yet about setting guys up and separation techniques.

But he looks fast and shows very good break away stuff as a runner.


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DJ Moore.

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[color:#FFCC33]Go after? I doubt we target a WR. Possibly one will drop to us in the draft somewhere that they would be the BPA


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