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Being a poet, Vers, I thought you might enjoy this as it's somewhat appropriate to the thread.

Time To Get Serious

hello out there
have you thought about:

the oceans are all dying
the economy’s in the tank
wars start with the government lying
and generals and arms dealers to thank.

the air gives our kids asthma
the weather’s gone beserk
there’s toxins in our plasma
and millions out of work.

supergerms collect in pools
behind every hospital door
there’s no money for our schools
still the army cries for more.

the cities will be flooded
as the ice not so slowly melts
fukushima’s radiation is included
echoing hiroshima’s brutal welts.

the stock market is soaring
we’ll close our eyes until we crash
the bankers aren’t lending
your money just their private stash.

the ads show cute people with smart phones
changing the world or just shifting screens?
the super-rich live in luxury homes
you can see in magazines.

guns do kill, we all know it
in our schools and on the street
without them kids aren’t deadly
just throwing punches not deadly metal sleet.

Monsanto tampers with the seeds of life
And ruins poor farmers who won’t play ball
While big pharma pushes lifestyle drugs
And leaves antibiotics out in the hall.

but Kim and Khloe are very happy
and are quickly getting rich
I don’t blame them but people really
does your tv have a turn-off switch?

do you care what Cruise’s kids look like
or who should draft that left tackle from Tennessee
do you stay up after midnight
posting facebook photos no one wants to see?

I don’t mean to sound alarmist
But it’s our kids’ futures I’m talking about
Of people I may not be the calmest
But I don’t think it’s weird to want to shout
You’re human not an ostrich
Pull your head out from the sand
Take a breath and give yourself a lift
And lend the world a helping hand

--Barton Kunstler

Zuckerberg, I'm not a huge fan but I have followed his story since the beginning and I think he's got some good points here. We were all taken advantage of by the hackers.

Ok. It's late at night, and I'm a bit tipsy.

But, I'm not understanding this facebook issue.

So someone got access to some data to target facebook users?

And people are mad?

Do people not know you can sign up for advertising with facebook and target users however you like?

Is it just "Oh we got hacked"?

Because I don't understand why anyone needs to hack facebook to target their users.

Can someone please give me the short version of the problem here?

The hackers developed facebook apps (quizzes) and tricked users into participating in things they thought were entertainment while they were really building a database of what scares people. Their intent was to use their fear to manipulate them.

In a nutshell, if you know who the hardcore wingnuts are they become easy to target with memes and such. This allows them to spread fake news propaganda and spread it via the users, their friends, and connections.

If you can target thousands of users, you will reach millions.

Facebook's problem is not foreseeing this abuse and taking measures to stop it.

The other issue is that it becomes a matter of national security. We need to know if our elections can be tampered with or even our society is being manipulated by creating vicious divides using existing political, religious, racial, etc. biases. This makes us incredibly vulnerable to many bad possibilities.

We'll disagree on this, and it's okay. Here's my reasoning:

I want to know where people lay their allegiance.

In short, I'll side with Alexander Hamilton over Aaron Burr.





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Here's some more reasoning. It sums up my feelings.







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I don't want people hiding behind some obfuscating viewpoint, and that viewpoint is just used to hide their true feelings.

Sorry, 45 stands for a numerous of reprehensible things this country ain't meant for. I will call out white supremacy, discrimination, and everything of that ilk.
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You should get into Hamilton.

Hackers? Funny, I thought hackers stole information. People willingly give up that info now. Most of you will come back telling me that I'm comparing this to obummer, but Facebook willingly gave him data so they could taylor ads to people. Google and Facebook had satellite offices in the white house for the 2012 election. Now to hear the dems say it, when they did it, it was genius. When the republicans did it, it's a crime. This is why I don't have a facebook,instigram, twitter, or other soctal media accounts other than this one. I value my pricacy, and I don't like peopLe trying to manipulate me.

Most of you can't even figure out why people voted for trump or why he's still supported. He promised to lower taxes, remove regulations, and secure the borders. He's gotten two of those three done, and is still doing more on them. Obama promised "hope and change" and let people make up their own minds on what that meant.

Furthermore, most of trumps 'scandals' have been for things he did way before office, while obummer scandals happened in office. I don't care if trump plooked a porn star. I don't care if he cheated on a wife. He's lowered my taxes. Obama screwed up health care worse than it already was. I don't care if trump tweets his displeasure over some other politician. Obama tweeted lie for years (keep you plan). Hell, I haven't even heard of a single dem complaining of unfair taxation or delays on 401c designations, unlike the previous administration that was weaponising the IRS.

That's pretty clever.

Pretty sure Zuckerberg didn't care. And from what I hear now is he's pointing fingers. And not at himself.

Oh well FB will now enjoy the biggest case action suit evah.

Think about the word pleb, look up the definition. Re-evaluate what was said.

Blind partisanship is for plebs....on both sides, it is absolutely factual. If you find that to be inflammatory, I'm sorry but in my estimation it is an absolute fact. Anyone with a high school education can see that both sides are hypocritical and deluded.

Really? high schools are spending more time and resources on security, teaching our kids how to go into lockdown and arming their teaching staff with guns and ammo. Have you turned on any news this weekend. High schools students marching for their lives? They are seeing one side as hypocritical imo.

lol look at this elitist who watched Rome one time. If you knew anything about Plebis, then you would know they could not operate in the Senate at all. And while the ruling class finally allowed Plebs to have a legislative arm, all motions ended up being decided by the Senate. Plebeian law was only enforced on plebs and not patricians, so it really didn't matter for the Senate to approve laws. Finally, if you looked at which people had the most plebeian support, it's the Gracchi brothers and Julius Caesar. If you weren't supporting either of them, then you probably weren't think or was a member of the patrician.

I get that you're hurt because the other side called you names or your friend names. But calling people plebs is such poor show. We get it, you're an elitist and anyone who thinks differently from you is a lowly commoner who isn't thinking for themselves, because if they were thinking for themselves they would have your views and not their own.

j/c:

Just look how the very things I was complaining about have not only seeded but grown into ugly weeds that have choked out the good.

You were right and I tip my hat to you for trying.

I just had to flex on em

I wasn't blaming you specifically. It was both sides. As always.

Sometimes I wonder how people don't understand my message that we would all be better off if we would work together instead of opposing one another?

It frustrates me because the answer seems simple.

It's as if we are looking to fail.

Vers I understand your message. I just don't think that a utopian effort to right the wrongs is ever going to happen in our lifetimes. Right now the world is split into many factions, many beliefs, and many tribes. Our leaders are using divides to widen the gaps between us. The media does the same. The internet does the same. Our Peers do the same. It's systemic.

Compromise is a dirty word. However compromise is the only non-violent way forward in my opinion. But before there can be compromise, there must be definition of the beliefs, definition of the factions, and definition of the tribes. That's where we are now, sorting all that out. Who's right, who's wrong, who's willing to change, who's going to be left behind... scary stuff, but maybe necessary. Time will tell.

Working together towards a better country sounds wonderful. Here's the problem:

More than half of this country truly believes that a misogynist, racist, childish, buffoon was elected president and it pisses them off. And they can't talk to the people who even thought about voting for that man, because the hatred boils over. In past elections, they didn't like the Republican candidate who won, but it wasn't like this. This time, they're all missing the days when the worst it got was George W. Bush.

So when they can't respect the President as a human being, and can't understand why any other human would vote for him to lead them, they therefore will not respect those humans who voted for him. It's a simple equation really.

When the person places their vote for such an individual, they no longer have any credibility left.

And that's just how I feel. So while I think working together would be the smart thing to do, I ask how? How can you work with someone you absolutely hate the very core of???

If someone can figure that out, let me know. I'll take the advice.

Very good points, welcome to the board!

As if? ....never mind LOL

Speaking of "IF"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

Exactly the point of how fruitless it is to even try to reason with likes of the Russian led GOP bots running their mouths off these days.

Hope you have thick skin 442 cause get ready for the hate that will be spewed against you by the crazy lefties here they will accuse you of things you aint even heard of ....GOOD LUCK

Pretty sure he isn't a Russian led GOP bot, so he has nothing to worry about from us.

Pot meet Kettle.

LOL really? How so? We're not the ones that have declared our love with the Russians and their dictator on his jackass POTUS.

You assume that because I used the term "They" that I'm not a lefty. Hasn't anyone ever told you what happens when you assume?

I'm a lefty, and proud of it. I am lumped into "They".

And I do have thick skin. Unlike our President.

LOL, yes really.

When I said:

"When the person places their vote for such an individual, they no longer have any credibility left. "

I thought it would be a dead giveaway that I was a liberal.

442. Is that a Ref to a Oldsmobile 442? Love that ride had a 65 442 back in the day. Welcome aboard. The thick skin will serve you well. Beware this board leans to the right. But we're finding out they are mostly Russian led GOP bots cept DC. lol

lmfao. dude you had them thinking that you was one of them, a trump supporter.

i knew you was cool when you described what trump was.

and there you are proving what he said. Just because I agreed with some of his points, you automatically make it "us vs them". Once again proving what he said, that the majority of the left could care less about actual facts and points, and only care to hear what they themselves have to say. Sad world you live you. sad.

what are you whining about now?

Riley is the one who made that post, not you.

triggered much, snowflake?

Riley and myself made post saying he had good points - welcoming him to board.

You then said "they" plural, meaning riley and MYSELF. Try to stay along.

It's hard to take the position of President serious when I saw a campaign of ruthless name calling and personal attacks. Not to mention threats of political imprisonment and a history of undermining the legitimacy of the previous President. The standards of decency have really dropped in the position.

Most lowly commoners don't think for themselves. What world are you living in?

Flex on em? How old are you?

did you? sorry i dont pay much attention to what you post anymore.

but my point still applies. which is sad, cause i wasnt even talking about you but you decided to stick your nose in anyway.

Doesn't change the fact that Willit was spot on.

yes it does change the fact.

Which points where those. I'd like to know?


1. More than half of this country truly believes that a misogynist, racist, childish, buffoon was elected president and it pisses them off.

2. And they can't talk to the people who even thought about voting for that man, because the hatred boils over. In past elections, they didn't like the Republican candidate who won, but it wasn't like this. This time, they're all missing the days when the worst it got was George W. Bush.

3. So when they can't respect the President as a human being, and can't understand why any other human would vote for him to lead them, they therefore will not respect those humans who voted for him. It's a simple equation really.

4. When the person places their vote for such an individual, they no longer have any credibility left.

5. And that's just how I feel. So while I think working together would be the smart thing to do, I ask how? How can you work with someone you absolutely hate the very core of???


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