DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Would you want OBJ and what would it take to get him?

If the offer was:

Cle- OBJ and the #2 overall
NYG- #1 overall

I start to think about it. Anymore than that I think the answer would be no.

I make that trade and never look back contingent on a new contract.

No question, he's a great player.. But as Jimmy Donovan says, he comes with a lifetime subscription for Tylenol LOL

he's a different animal....

Not sure I'd mess with that..

Different position, and the trade took place at a different part of the season .... but people said that the Pats wanted a 1st plus a lot more for Garoppolo. He wound up being traded for just a second.

The enormous contract/guarantees that Beckham will demand lowers the number of places he can go. How many people can afford a $15 million contract? It appears that there are about 15 or so teams that could handle a $16 million deal.

One is the Pack, and they need to get that QB os theirs handled .... whatever his name is ....

The Texans don't have the draft capital to trade .....

So, that leaves, realistically, 13 teams with which to trade. Beckham has to sign off on the trade, because he would have to sign a new deal at the time of the trade. Where does he want to go?

It will be interesting to watch.

I mean, on paper that looks dangerous and as dangerous could get. Shouldn't ever be a problem for a QB finding one of them guys to throw to.

But it'll never happen.

1. Doubt we go after Barkley in the draft
2. Doubt Gordon makes it to preseason let alone regular season
3. We don't give away that many assets for one Beckham when Landry is going to want/need paid and I like Landry over Beckham. Productive yet way less of an annoyance. Gordon if he's seriously turned around and can play like we know is going to want $ too, and I'd take a cleaned up Gordon over ANY WR in the NFL lol.

The #1 overall pick shouldn't even be in this discussion. We've had an unsettled QB situation for so long, and we earned this #1 pick through a lot of misery. Put the QBs through all the paces and pick THE guy you think has the best chance to be elite.

The difference between #1 and #2 is substantial. To give up the #1 guy for a headcase like Odell Beckham is crazy.

My thought is you have to think about a) what you have b) your time table and c) where you want to be.

Currently:
Gordon: Soon to be 27, 6'3" 225 lb Gordon has a lot of questions. Gordon is still playing under his rookie deal due to off the field issues. The Browns can now evaluate Gordon over the course of a full season, and he will again be a restricted free agent in 2019. Not only that, but the Browns’ tender for Gordon will check in somewhere around $540,000. By all comparisons, Gordon is a steal at this cost for 2-years or a minimum of one depending how he does this year.

Landry: Landry, 5' 11" and 203 lbs, is seeking a contract in the area of 58 million for 4-years. At 25, Landry, a slot receiver, has been to 3 straight Pro Bowls. At almost 16 million this year under the franchise tag, the Browns could play a wait and see or save a couple of million this year and give him the deal. The deal would be about 10th in range around the league. The question is, do we pay a proven playmaker or go cheap on a rookie not knowing if he will achieve Pro Bowl level or not?

Coleman: At 23, Coleman has a cap number of a little over 3 million in 2018 and 2019. He has only 56 receptions for 718 yds receiving with 5 TD's in 2 years. Add into the fact that Coleman has a problem with drops and has missed 13 of the 32 games played during this time. With Landry playing the slot, that means Coleman and Gordon are the wideouts. At 5'11" 185 lbs, can Coleman get off the line?

Beckham: At 25 and 5'11" 198 lbs, Beckham is a proven commodity at WR and one of the best in the league. True, Beckham's contract demands are extreme but when was the last time the Browns had one of the leagues best receivers? To compare, Antonio Brown has a 4-year 68 million dollar deal. Considering Beckham is coming off an injury, the Browns could offer something in this range and get him under contract.

So is Beckham worth the cost and how do we get him? Absolutely, Beckham is worth the cost. Even if the Browns decided to wait until next years free agency, the cost then for a top 5 receiver is going to be similar - guaranteed. First, Coleman is a bust and grossly over paid for what he has and will deliver to the Browns. Second, Gordon is a question mark at least until next year. As of now, we have no idea if Gordon is going to demand a payday until he proves himself. That said, between Gordon and a newly signed Landry, the Browns would only have 29 million invested in 2 players over the next 2-years. Third, assuming we draft a QB #1, our QB cost as a whole will be much lower that the going average for teams over the next 4-years. Forth, the Browns would be putting 3 Pro Bowlers on the field at the WR position.

How do we get Beckham? As it stands now, the NY Giants have only about 7.6 million in cap space. That's a huge issue if they are planning to resign Beckham. The Browns have over 70 million in cap space so Beckham's cost is not going to break the bank. I also don't believe the Giants are looking to get a QB since most of their moves have been a win now mode.

I do not think you can get Beckham without a 1st round pick. However, I believe this years draft has to high a ceiling for the Browns to get cute. That said, I'd offer:

2019 1st round pick
2018 2nd round pick #35
Corey Coleman (as stated above) or Duke Johnson (who is expendable with Hyde and Barkley)

With this trade, the Browns assemble the best WR team in football with a TE in Njoku that can stretch the field. The Browns get their QB at #1 and the Browns get Barkley at #4 since I'm confident the Giants are going to draft Chubb. Even if the Giants trade out of the #2 slot, I'm pretty confident that trade would be with a team QB hungry like Buffalo. Just food for thought, the Browns have the opportunity to lock up all the starting skilled positions on offense except for Gordon for the next 4 years for less than 45 million with 3 being current or past Pro Bowlers. For comparison, Pittsburgh skilled positions will cost them close to 45 million next year as does Atlanta. The difference is we won't have the majority invested in the QB position (assuming the rookie starts in year 2 and Taylor is released).

I'm staying out of the debate about acquiring OBJ, but I really liked reading your post. It was informative, logical, and articulate.

Nice job.

N-O...NO. No need for this clown, his contract demands and his often injured playing status. Take the circus somewhere else. Chump.

Often injured?

He played 12 games his rookie year (and had 1305 yards).
He played 15 games his second year (and had 1450 yards).
He played 16 games his third year (and had 1367 yards).
He missed most of 2018 because he was seriously injured.

OBJ is probably the best receiver the league has seen since Calvin Johnson. He works hard and is plays hard on the field. If the price is right every team in the league should be after him. The Giants would be idiots to trade him (especially considering they are going to try and get one more year out of Eli and then go with a new QB, who would benefit greatly from a player like Beckham).

j/c

I'm just wondering who really believes they'll try to trade him?

I mean the man is under contract. He can SAY he'll sit out if they don't make a deal with him. But really? lol

He'll play. To give up his annual salary and not play would make him an idiot. The Giants will call his bluff and he'll suit up.

If the #1 drafted player is great and the #2 draft pick fails, your point is moot.

Oh you they can trade him. But they won't. Heck my theory seems far more logical than the crap I've been reading. lmao

That's a two way street.

I swear Browns fans have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to the draft. They have been abused so long that they have fallen in love with draft picks.


Take a question mark at #4 or take a one of a kind talent in a trade.......give us the draft pick!! ugh

So let me get this straight. If someone is willing to overpay and give them a kings ransom to trade for him, they may do it. And you want that to be us?

But that's not the deal is it ... that's a tiny snapshot of the picture.

OBJ = Elite talent. Yes. But also a drama queen - actually he might be the #1 drama queen in the entire NFL. Injury prone (missed at least a game in 3 out of 4 years. He played in 4 games last year). He has off the field issues. He wants to be P.A.I.D. . . .

Seems to me it's you that has Stockholm syndrome? Because the Browns have screwed up so many drafts you assume we are going to do so again.... Chubb, Minkah and Barclay are all going to be elite talents at positions the Browns need an upgrade at - they might all be there at #4 ... 2 of them will be for sure.

I don't want the distraction and carnival. No way no how.... I hope OBJ goes to a great team and it implodes.

I would trade the Giants Josh Gordon and pick # 64 for Odell Beckham.

Okay, but where will he be in 5 years.
I'm actually more of a fan of that Derrelle Reevis was brought in by "somebody' for the playoffs last year, than would be of getting the final waining days of a guy who I never really understood how he was very good in the first place.

So no, No OBJ, a market like Cleveland, they'd probably fleece the bottom line, and the franchise would be paying for it for years.

Damn my Cleveland buddy is talking like the OBJ thing is almost a done deal! I hope he is wrong. You guys hearing this in Cleveland news?

No.

I will say this..........

My family is mostly Steeler fans. Many of their friends are too. Some of them were over this afternoon.

My wife made a joke about the Browns and my son and others quickly curtailed her by saying that the Browns might get OBJ.

The argument [from Steeler fans] was that OBJ, Gordon, Landry, Duke, Barkley, Duke, and Njuko was scary good and even Tyrod Taylor could succeed w/that group.

Sometimes, it's wise to listen to one's enemies.

Wisdom: You can't fix everything in one offseason.

Dorsey: Hold my beer.

jc

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-odell-beckham/


A 4th and 7th for Jarvis Landry, an uber-talented receiver who is going to need a new contract? Solid trade.

Two first round picks for OBJ?

Hype increases value. Even if it is in a phantom way.

OBJ is much better than Landry.

OBJ has 313 catches for 4424 yards in 47 games, Landry has 400 catches for 4038 yards in 64 games.

OBJ also has had better QB play.

Are we sure about that? Look at what happened to Eli when OBJ was hurt.

I don't want him. Low character.

Bottom line. Would you give up two 1st round picks and a 50+ million contract for him?

Nope. As I've said above. If I were the Rams? In a heartbeat.

FACT: The Browns are NOT getting OBJ.
FACT: Some fans want every famous name player who comes available.
FACT: Some fans need to settle the hell down.
FACT: Some fans will be pissed by this post.