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BULL.

You post like a hurt little child.

Are you that brittle that the posting of link causes you to have such a meltdown that you are now attacking me?
Get a grip. Get a clue. Stop whining. Stop making [censored] up.

Hold on to something because i'm going to re-post the link for people that are actually interested and aren't afraid and threatened by more information. Move the sticks is going to release these for all the prospects and they're quite informative:



As far as the rest of your post. Like I said before, I didn't ask and don't care. Its got nothing to do with me nor my post.
Move on. Troll on elsewhere.

I do think John Dorsey is seriously considering Josh Allen. Last year he traded up to get Patrick Mahomes. The QB with the strongest arm in that draft.

Couple that with Josh Allen having arguably the best off season of all the QB prospects. Had a real good senior bowl going 9 of 13 for 158 yards and 2 TD. Following that up by having a great combine and pro day. Then news started to spread how much higher he has tested in the IQ tests.

While I prefer Rosen or Darnold I think Dorsey and company are zeroing in on Allen.

Hey Swishy was talking domination here.

1. Elway's first 3 years were comparable to Allen's numbers - who only played 2 years for the most part. Don't think Stanford ever won anything with Elway either.
2. Marino - 79 TDs and 69 TDs and 57.6 completion percentage in 4 years - domination, baby.
3. Brees 90 TDs and 45 Ints.

What do you know 2:1 TD to Int ratio just like Allen and guess what they all played 4 years to Allen's 2 years. You see, they all got better with experience and so will Allen in my opinion.

Just to be clear (again), I am on the Darnold bandwagon, but I am not so down on Allen as a lot of posters seem to be. Better hope Dorsey and company feel the same as you guys, but I am not so sure.

At this point I'm feeling that if they take Allen, I'm okay with it. If they take Darnold, I'm okay with it. If they take Rosen, I'm okay with it. If they take Mayfield, I'm okay with it. Heck, if they're 100% sold on Rudolph, I'm okay with that too because I really think all of them stand a great chance of being very good QBs in the NFL. Though Rosen's concussions still scare the crap outta me.

I concur.

Lol, you would be the petulant one, Ed.

We'll disagree. Those guys were very good college players by the points that I made. Marino is in the College Hall of Fame, will Josh Allen ever sniff the College Hall of Fame?

Elway was a Heisman Candidate (2nd in voting). Brees won the Maxwell Award and finished third in Heisman Voting. He has records at Purdue.


Josh Allen is going to the NFL with none of that.

There's absolutely no argument, that I can see, that he should be the first overall pick. None. None at all. Like I've said, show me a good small school QB with his resume that's been successful as of late. Cause I can't find any. None.

He might look the part, but that's about it.


If we draft him, I'll suck it up, try to have faith in Dorsey, and try to deal with it. But right now, there's no way I can see how this guy can be selected number 1. No reason at all

Dude you're just getting annoying with your nonsense the last few days. I have made multiple posts on Allen that have nothing to do with you. If your reading the threads on him then you have seen me backing it up. I don't have to regurgitate everything over and over again every single time I make a post.

If you think his inability to move the football is great, if you think him being inaccurate with the football is great, if you think his inability to score is so great, well then the one with a problem is you. It's okay though just move on.

Taking Allen #1 will be a gigantic mistake.

Moving down to #2 for Beckham and taking Allen is a bigger mistake.

I cannot, and will not believe that Dorseys Crew is that Damn ignorant to pass on the likes of Darnold or Rosen for a QB that has PROVEN INNACURATE traits.

I don't give a Rats Ass what they THINK they can do with Allen's footwork to increase his accuracy, he STILL won't get above 65% in the NFL. It just DOES NOT happen.

I don't care WHAT Allen does in shorts. He will NEVER Consistently hit a guy in stride and he relies way to much on that arm and WAITS for guys to get open before even thinking about releasing it. That will NEVER fly in the NFL.

Don't matter what they do with footwork, he's NOT going to improve to NFL Standards for a Top QB.

NOONE can improve that Damn much.

Allen is NATURALLY INNACURATE.

For the First Time EVER, if we take Allen I'm going to be EMBARRASSED to be a Browns Fan.

Just curious ... were U the lead in your high school play for 3 or all 4 years of your HS career... or did all this drama come from a more recent acting experience ....

Sheesh bro ....

I do think his accuracy % is lower based solely on the style of offense Wyoming ran. Allen throw the ball down the field. Wyoming did not utilize the bubble screen that is so popular in college as much as other QB's in the draft. The bubble screen inflates many college QB's accuracy %.

My main concern with Allen is his teams lack of competitiveness vs power 5 teams. I want to see big time prospects at mid majors raise the level of his team vs superior competition.

I think that is where his senior bowl performance was so important for him.

Where is it written (besides here on Dawgtalkers) that a guy with Jeff George's arm, Alex Smith's brain and Carson Wentz's attitude, who has never had top-flight, big-school coaching, cannot get better in the NFL?
I'll get behind whichever guy Dorsey picks, because he is privy to a lot more information. All four (six?) of these guys are intriguing. But I will be ecstatic if we get Allen and either Chubb or Barkley. And Allen working with Stanton and Hue for a year would give him every chance to flourish.

Razor.

Nothing is more annoying on an internet message board then poster's that fabricate arguments out of thin air. Its one thing to make a mistake. Every does that. But to willfully fabricate to make yourself look right is just about the worst thing you can do on a message board and puts you in a category of people that cannot be trusted.

I was not having a conversation with you in this thread about Allen. That is complete fabrication or you would simply quote it but you can't.

Lampdogg made a troll post in response to a link I posted from the Move the Stick podcast which I've reposted since you and lampdogg launched your personal attacks.

The rest is you guys posting at me about Allen for absolutely no reason. None. Your posts have 0 to do with the link I posted. And I didn't even make any commentary about the link.

Again this is the only thing I posted:


Why does posting the above give you guys to post at me with completely unrelated crap and then the right to attack me? Then claim it was my fault, lol?

Any one following can see exactly what happened and make a judgement for themselves regardless of how you try to spin it in your posts.

But have it. Don't let the truth slow you down.
I'm done.

Agreed, All the QB's in this draft have flaws but with hard work and good coaching they can improve. IMO there are no less than 6 prospects in this draft that can become good to very good NFL QB's. Even some of the 2nd tier guys don't look bad. As always some will do well some not. Time will tell.

J/c

Obviously it would be a surprise if Allen went #1 overall or was the 1st QB selected because he doesn't have the production to warrant that selection.

No one even references the games anymore but if you watch Allen's game you can see everything....both the good and the bad. He makes throws that less then a handful of NFL QBs can make. He also misses routine passes that any college QB should make.

Evaluation is about grading numerous factors. I think if people focus on 1 aspect as 'thee' measure of success or failure then imho they are not making a complete evaluation. But, i get that some people believe the 56% = bust. And for those people the conversation starts and ends there. I agree that Allen's accuracy and completion don't warrant the #1 pick. But if you're looking at him as overall prospects he without question has some elite traits. Athleticism. Size. Playmaking.

The team that selects Allen is taking a huge risk. They are betting on potential. Make no mistake Allen's potential is rare. He has similar traits to other 'inaccurate' QBs like Joe Flacco (SB), Cam Newton (NFL MVP). Allen's draft stock is bolster a lot by Carson Wentz. Allen is stronger armed, more athletic version of Wentz both played Bohl's offense that features NFL style concepts and more under center stuff then most other prospects. But Allen didn't have Wentz production. Even in Allen's 'good' year where his qb rating was 145 w/ 28 TDs and 8.3 YPA he still only managed a comp% of 56% and threw 15 ints.

This isn't to advocate for Allen as the top QB prospect. He's not my top prospect, nor do I think he warrants selection at pick #1. But I can see the reasons why he's should be considered one of the top 5 prospects.