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Who freaking cares when either of them did it?
It's deplorable behavior from both of them.

I don't understand how people can behave this way and still look their wives in the eye.

34 years of faithful marriage.
It's not that difficult.

Maybe we need better ground rules then... because when somebody on the right says something you have no issue extrapolating it out to a whole bunch of other people who didn't say it and may or may not agree with it.....

See, I have no problem with most of your PERSONAL beliefs... and when we have talked man to man on a personal level, we have never really had a problem.... when we have a problem is when we talk to each other in terms of the party we typically represent and act like each other is somehow responsible for (or in agreement with) the beliefs or actions of the entire party.. see what I'm saying? And I am equally guilty of talking to you like a democrat instead of like a man with individual opinions...

I hated what Clinton did.. felt like he really lowered the bar on a personal level of what it meant to be President... I actually thought Bush and Obama both did a pretty good job of raising the bar back up because you can say what you want about both men's politics, I think they handled themselves well as men during their time in office.. now we have Trump who has taken it right back down where it was if not below that...

It saddens me and it concerns me.. will the next POTUS begin the process of raising it again or have we set a new standard?

Its deplorable behavior says you. Its between them and their wives. I do not know what their relationship is. Does Will Smith get labeled a deplorable because him and Jada have an open marriage? Nope, hes a national treasure. lol

If the POTUS and FLOTUS have an arrangement, that's their business. I really don't care about Lewinsky stuff that much either - if Bill and Hill had an arrangement so be it. What bothers me is he lied UNDER OATH. That's a no go for me but we are getting off topic.

Back to it, like you said who cares? Its not deplorable unless its ACTUALLY cheating.

But those shoes!

But then again the left never stood on their soap box proclaiming to be the party of the Christian right, the moral majority and the party of family values. You know, when you preach that crap you're going to get called on it.

i understand.

again, i clearly have my own personal beliefs on what it means to be POTUS. it isn't just about policy, its how that person represents themselves because they are ultimately representing the country as a whole.

for example, Willit is once again trying to play moral equivalency. i dont care when he did it. he cheated on every last one of his wives, walked into womens dressing rooms unannounced, bragged about sexual assault, oh, and compared an ex playboy model and pornstar to his daughter.

apparently he is perfectly fine with creeps like that representing the country.

i, however, am not.

also, the whole situation with monica went down during his presidency, specifically his second term. so even IF i was old enough to complain about it then, what does it matter? there was NOTHING anybody, clinton hater or supporter, could've done about that. and, HE GOT IMPEACHED for lying under oath and the sexual harassment lawsuit.

so something was actually done about it.

with trump, other than the pornstar, we already KNEW about the marriages and affairs with multiple women. lets not forget that melania is the SIDE CHICK to the SECOND WIFE prior to being the main chick. btw, that makes her the GOAT of all side chicks. the dream of one day upgrading from side chick to main squeeze.

thats awesome for hollywood elitist and playboy new york lifestyle. that's a terrible thing to put into the OVAL.

and thats just one of MANY character issues with regards to trump. so guys like willit are gonna have to save it for people who engage in double standards. i do not.

clinton was a draft dodging cheater who deserved to be impeached. the fact that people cant seem to acknowledge my feelings on clinton despite me constantly showing them says that maybe yall have a hard time admitting that i have no double standard, and are forced to try and play moral equivalency to support whatever it is they support.

but watch DC. somebody is gonna come at me with the bill clinton angle AGAIN.

i agree that Bush and Obama raised that character aspect back up. and i've said that before. people can complain about Bush's policies to the cows come home. ill pretty much agree with most of it.

but one thing i NEVER was concerned about was Bush's character. dude was, and still is, an honorable man, just like obama. just like daddy, just like republican jesus, just like carter, ford.

because i never had to answer to my daughters why obama is sleeping with pornstars. or why trump called hillary a nasty woman right there on the debate stage (my daughter was watching) or why the president is supporting a pedophile.

trump's character alone brings a ton of disgrace into the oval. the way he operated in life brings a ton of disgrace into the oval. and that isn't even mentioning the crap that has gone on while he is currently POTUS.

POTUS without the "t" and "u".

So there is nothing anyone could have done cause he was in his second term, but something was supposed to be done 11 years ago when he wasn't president lol.

when trump lies under oath, I will back an impeachment.

I find it funny you keep throwing my name around, dang man, that rent free in your head is awesome!

You realize, I said I could care less about bill stuff right? If they have a open marriage, all the power to them. I don't get why either of them are being brought up as this even matters. Bill or Trump, one thing was a private citizen 11 years ago, the other thing would have been ok with me minus lying under oath. And you realize that's why he was impeached right? for lying, not for cheating.....

your entire post is a joke, as usual. lets begin:



do you not understand. what could you and i done when he got impeached?

but you know what you could've done with trump? NOT VOTE FOR HIM.



lol.....uh oh.



thats odd because:



^^^^ thats you, responding DIRECTLY to me. now you got the nerve to claim that i cant keep your name out of your mouth?

you understand how ridiculously you're coming off, right? lmfao man thats pathetic.



thats fine if you dont care.

i do. so it doesn't matter what you think when it comes to my personal opinion on how a POTUS should act.

You are absolutely right, it doesn't matter.

It also is what you said - your PERSONAL opinion, yet you float that around these boards as fact and gospel.

no, i point out the FACTS of what happened, and explain to the board as to why those FACTS form my personal opinions.

nobody has time for your alternative reality on how things play out. its cute, however fictitious it might be.

Go google "Democrats the real party of family values" and let me know what you find...

I could not have voted for him, yet you could not have voted for his wife.........seems like you have 4 fingers pointing back at you.

his wife didn't dodge the draft or get hummers in the oval.

you keep trying to equate something that can't be equated. the more you post, the worse you look.

actually, please, keep going. im enjoying this.

You see, you can try mend reality and bend it to try to fit any narrative you want, anyway you like - but the facts are the facts. You just demonized people because of who they voted for questioning their values and morals because of trumps. Yet you voted for someone just as bad as a person you described.

his wife attacked victims of sexual assault - not exactly the moral code you have been preaching about on here, but you want to forget about that because, well you voted for her. SMH. Good god man, at least realize when you spewing out crap , but you actually believe it I think.

I appreciate you spelling out your opinions like that. I'm sure you have said it all before but it was helpful seeing it all in one place.

The only thing I can say is that I pretty much agree with all of it.


Somebody probably will.. my only issue with the "what about" train of thought.. I mean, it's always been a thing, people wanted to pick and choose when they used historical context to prove a point... but here's the thing, the left has really embraced this "but what about" movement as a means of showing that those kinds of references should not be brought forward into current events... Well one day, in a post-Trump world, the dems will control the Oval, and the senate, and the house.. heck maybe all at the same time... and some of those folks are going to do and say stuff that is stupid or at the very least disagreeable and the right is going to pounce on it.. so what is the left going to do then? Are they going to continue their current position... or will it be a "but what about Trump" barrage?

I think you and I both know the answer to that.

It's all good bro, I'm out soon and will be off-line for a couple of days to head to Charlotte tomorrow to watch Bron and company put a hurting on the Charlotte Jordanwannabes.. Look for me.

I wonder, if you had to explain to your daughters about Trump like you said - did you explain to them why voted for a sexual assault enabler, and a person who attacks victims? Or a person who covers up for a alleged rapist? did you explain that?

And see, that's the problem. Neither one were fit or are fit to be president. It's time both sides admit it.

Well the only hope the left has is not running somebody with blinding character concerns. Obviously no one is perfect, but if, for example, warren runs, then omg.

As someone who talks about situations involving ethnicity a lot, my principles keep me from defending someone like Warren. I just can’t do it. What dies that say about you that you’re willing to lie about your heritage in order to try and get ahead?

So my only hope is that liberals don’t run character flaws like that.

Have fun at the game bro!!

It’s funny you mention that. Because my response would be the same response I told my daughter about Melania, who she likes:

That’s her husband. When she took her vows, she stated til death do you part.

And that’s why you don’t see me trashing Melania, just like I don’t trash Hillary about it.

She ACTUALLY follows what the Bible says to follow. It’s the same reason I don’t get the hate for Melania. For what? She’s not only the wife, but First Lady. People acting like they are supposed to do some grand Gesture and file for divorce.

And if you call yourself CHRISTIAN, you don’t file for divorce. You try to work through it.

But if we’re ginna go there, then let’s go there.

I am respectful assuming that everyone’s wife on this board is loyal to them.

So Willit, what would your old lady do if you got accused for cheating and/or harassing other women?

Would she instantly believe the woman?

Or would she go “ nah, ain’t no way Willit cheated on me. You chicks are a bunch of liars because my man would never do that!!”

^^ because that’s what most women do. That’s exactly what my wife said she would too. They defend their man until it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt. So you’re mad at Hillary for doing what literally any other woman would do in that situation. Defend her man, discredit the chicks.

And that’s the problem. You keep looking at that from a mans point of view instead of a woman’s.

Because if you did, you’d understand why Hillary acted the way she did. Or why Melania isn’t ever going to say anything publicly blasting her husband.

Y’all literally mad at a woman for defending and sticking by her man. But if your own wife did that with you, you’d call her a ride or die.

And at the end of that day:

Hillary didn’t dodge the draft
Hillary didn’t cheat on her multiple husbands
And Hillary didn’t pay hush money to a pornstar.

We've had garbage candidates for public office for some time now. Most if not all of them have only a casual passing acquaintance with truth, honesty and decency

They won't if the voters won't. This past election was the time to make that stand by voting 3rd party.

I get that, but Hill did a little a more than believe bill. She attacked those women, demeaned those women, and some have said she threatened those women. Not for bill, but for politics.

Also, your view on women being submissive to their husbands because that's what women should do, is not exactly a left leaning train of thought. Pretty archaic actually.

Come on man, you have daughters - your telling me that if one of their future husbands did what bill or trump assumingly did to them, you would be telling your daughters to "stand by your man". We might not know much about each other, but I can tell as a father myself, you would be knocking on some doors hunting.

As far as if my wife did that for me - well I have never cheated on a women in my life. I was always of the mindset, if I wanted to cheat, I would end it first, then do what I got to do. It was a pact MY WIFE and I made while we were dating.

But my overall point is, if there is a pact between a husband and wife to allow "cheating" its not really cheating is it? Its not our bedroom to care about WHO or WHAT. The only time it became an issue was when it was lied under oath about (at least for me).

1. She wasn't eligible, and given her present company at the time, I wouldn't be so sure if she wouldn't have. she also never enlisted huh

2. you might want to look up webb Hubbel. Chelseas dad.

3. no she just threatened victims of sexual assault and rape, and paid them off. yeah, paying off a pornstar is HUGE compared to attacking victims when your a feminist (self proclaimed)

obviously im going to have to combine your post, because all you're doing is parroting the same nonsense.

submissive? how? i would do the same exact thing if my wife was under allegations. does that make me submissive, or does that make me a firm believer of my wife until proven otherwise?

again, UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE, yea my daughters should stick by their man. and even if cheated was proven, i would certainly hope my daughters would attempt to work it out FIRST before filing for divorce.

you've now made it perfectly clear that your previous post about people losing their reputation or career over allegations was just a load of BS, seeing as now you want spouses to just bounce whenever theres any sort of issues like this.

at least with candidates, you can vett them and know previously if they did some foul stuff. roy moore, for example.

or you can kick them out like franken and others.


anyway, so you just proved to the board that you're a hypocrite. congrats.

also, you're now spreading fake news about bill clinton not being chelsea's daughter. this convo is between us is done. you just cant help but to spread fake news all the time, and quite frankly its annoying and pathetic.

i get less fake news out of 40. have a crap day.

how so? we are talking about bill, those were not allegations, remember?

your Assuming we are talking about something that DIDNT happen, we know it did and we know hindsight in their case. BIG difference.

You just proved to the board that again you try to twist things to make a point, even though they are not what it seems. No one should lose their job over an allegation. Bill Clinton didn't, Hillary didn't. In fact she was promoted lol.

Allegations are different from FACT of what happened. 20 years later, we know what happened. We know what she did. We know what bill did.

Again, even in the hypothitcal of your case, your wife was ALLEGED, what if your WIFE was PROVEN to have cheated? What if you daughters husbands were PROVEN to have cheated?

So before you start throwing around words like hypocrite and name call - maybe you should learn to read and comprehend, it would suit you more.

but you didn't comprehend any of the post.

still parroting the same bs. blah blah blah blah blah

I comprehended that i would wish my father would have my back and not my cheating wifes, nice to know where you would stand. shame on me for thinking better of you.

anyways, done with the zealots.

Vers wants us to somehow ignore the fact that Trump routinely trashes womens looks, says there are good people amongst nazi's, trashes world leaders by calling them rocket man, DOESNT attack our actual enemy in Russia, and so many other problems.

why does Vers want to me to come to the table with nazi sympathizers?

Yes,,, And he is a 5 year old...

Funny, I don't remember you saying anything about him calling people names.. Crooked Hillary (Thought up by the lovely folks at Cambridge Analytica), Lyin Ted, Little Marco etc..

But I do it, and you come at me about it.. Pot calling the kettle black?

Except for the wonderful 8 years of the scandal-free Obama family. True class all around for that family.

Yea, he only sold America out to Globalism and tried to crush our Middle Class. That's all.

A Nuclear armed North Korea and Russia in the Middle East allied with Iran.

Not to mention Crimea becoming part of Russia again.

This is all part of his legacy, including...

A corrupt ATF
A corrupt FBI
A corrupt Justice Department
A corrupt CIA and NSA.

But Trump is fixing the mess he inherited, step by step by step.

I don't buy into any of that BS.

And oh by the way, how is Trump fixing anything from the golf course?

And how can he fix anything when no one can last more than a month on the job? He fires everyone or they resign. He's a terrible leader.

His tweets are embarrassing.

Just keep your eyes closed to the damage Obama did to this Nation and her people.
Others will fix it while you play.

And continue to keep your eyes closed to the damage Bush Jr. did to this Nation and her people. 911, 2 wars, housing collapse, great recession and more.

Obama got Bin Ladin DEAD! His body dumped into the ocean! No Russian strippers, no mail order brides, no playboy playmate girlfriends. No secret liaisons with porn stars. No dealings with Russian oligarchs. No lying on security clearance documentations. No nepotism in the WH. No hidden tax returns. Should I go on?

40 is right on one thing though, we are gonna pay. We're all gonna pay for that stupid wall. And our kids are gonna pay for the damage he causes globally. He's a reality start folks. And not even a good one.

The wall is a distraction from all the other crap. The wall is never going to much more than it is already. They may add new wall to some areas but it's not like it's going to be all that anyways. Besides Mexican's know how to dig tunnels deep and silently. And the fact that illegals haven't came here in growing numbers since 2009. Its all a ruse to cover up other crap going on in the WH.

no scandals lol

IRS scandal
Secret Service Scandal
Wiretapping American Citizens and journalist
Fast and Furious
Politicizing the FBI, ATF, and CIA
HIS CIA Director lying under Oath
NSA Spying scandal
Failure to do anything about election meddling
Eric Holder being held in contempt of Congress
Benghazi
Hillarys Server Scandal
Bowe Bergdahl
The GSA scandal
VA
killed an American citizen

please, lest not cast stones glass house.